Weights

tiger5 · Senior Member

Weights

Cupie · Guru

I've heard of it happening (Outside of Townsville a couple of years ago) but never seen it myself.

I sometimes wonder how I would go as it is not easy to get the towing capacity figures for my 1995 GQ Patrol. Just wonder what the numbers the police would have. (Most GQs are 2.5T but my 4.2Efi is 2.8ton. Not really a problem because the Van is 2.4T.)

Thanks for the heads up.

Radar · Guru

I saw Elvis this morning be side the road waiting for a ride.

bratboy · Veteran Member

We're the scalies with them ?

Craig1 · Guru

saw Elvis this morning be side the road waiting for a ride.

No, Elvis does burgers at Bethanga on Fridays

peter67 · Guru

Nope, he's a cub reporter at The Betoota news.

oldbloke · Guru

From what I'm hearing and seeing. Vans being weighed must be as rare as rocking horse shet.

SoloMC · Senior Member

Your post is confusing. Was it the police towing a van into Roma being tested or were the police testing a van as it drove into Roma? I wasn't aware the police could weigh vehicles but use the transport authorities

bratboy · Veteran Member

SoloMC wrote:
Your post is confusing. Was it the police towing a van into Roma being tested or were the police testing a van as it drove into Roma? I wasn't aware the police could weigh vehicles but use the transport authorities

Hence my question above , op hasn't been back to clarify so i call bs or what he saw and what he thinks he saw are to different things .

police do not carry scales and are not trained in there use , possibly it was one of those educational days for travellers but again op hasn't said .

-- Edited by bratboy on Sunday 22nd of May 2022 08:12:37 AM

shakey55 · Senior Member

Cupie wrote:
I've heard of it happening (Outside of Townsville a couple of years ago) but never seen it myself.
I sometimes wonder how I would go as it is not easy to get the towing capacity figures for my 1995 GQ Patrol. Just wonder what the numbers the police would have. (Most GQs are 2.5T but my 4.2Efi is 2.8ton. Not really a problem because the Van is 2.4T.)
Thanks for the heads up.

Actual weight of your patrol loaded + passengers + tow ball weight = gvm. I think the gvm of a GQ is 2800 Empty. It should be on your rego papers

-- Edited by shakey55 on Wednesday 25th of May 2022 03:29:29 AM

Peter_n_Margaret · Guru

shakey55 wrote:
Actual weight of your patrol loaded + passengers + tow ball weight = gvm. I think the gvm of a GQ is 2800 Empty. It should be on your rego papers

No.

GVM (and GCM) is a weight rating that may not be exceeded. It is not an actual weight.

Cheers,

Peter

oldbloke · Guru

Definitions here.

shakey55 · Senior Member

Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
shakey55 wrote:
Actual weight of your patrol loaded + passengers + tow ball weight = gvm. I think the gvm of a GQ is 2800 Empty. It should be on your rego papers

No.
GVM (and GCM) is a weight rating that may not be exceeded. It is not an actual weight.
Cheers,
Peter

GVM is not an actual weight. Since when?

yobarr · Guru

shakey55 wrote:
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
shakey55 wrote:
Actual weight of your patrol loaded + passengers + tow ball weight = gvm. I think the gvm of a GQ is 2800 Empty. It should be on your rego papers

No.
GVM (and GCM) is a weight rating that may not be exceeded. It is not an actual weight.
Cheers,
Peter
GVM is not an actual weight. Since when?

As Peter says, it's a rating, not an actual weight. Cheers

-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 26th of May 2022 05:58:32 AM

montie · Guru

shakey55 wrote:
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
shakey55 wrote:
Actual weight of your patrol loaded + passengers + tow ball weight = gvm. I think the gvm of a GQ is 2800 Empty. It should be on your rego papers

No.
GVM (and GCM) is a weight rating that may not be exceeded. It is not an actual weight.
Cheers,
Peter
GVM is not an actual weight. Since when?

GVM, GCM and ATM are all ratings that must not legally be exceeded by the measured weight.

You can't weigh a rating.

oldbloke · Guru

Well, after reading the last two posts I'm convinced some posters here only do because they want to be heard or impress.

montie · Guru

oldbloke wrote:
Well, after reading the last two posts I'm convinced some posters here only do because they want to be heard or impress.

Don't know where you got your "definitions" from but GCM is incorrect.

Posts like that just confuse!

oldbloke · Guru

I'm certainly not confused.

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oldbloke · Guru

Or better still. Instead of reading this perhaps the OP can download a comprehensive guide here. And get quality material.

caravantowingguide.com.au/

kgarnett · Senior Member

Gross Combination Mass (GCM) is a RATING and is defined in Vehicle Standard (Australian Design Rule - Definitions and Vehicle Categories) 2005,

GROSS COMBINATION MASS - value specified for the vehicle by the Manufacturer as being the maximum of the sum of the Gross Vehicle Mass of the drawing vehicle plus the sum of the Axle Loads of any vehicle capable of being drawn as a trailer.

GCM is not as defined below which also incorrectly implies it an actual weight that can be measured:

Ken

-- Edited by kgarnett on Thursday 26th of May 2022 10:23:55 AM

yobarr · Guru

kgarnett wrote:
Gross Combination Mass (GCM) is a RATING and is defined in Vehicle Standard (Australian Design Rule - Definitions and Vehicle Categories) 2005,

GROSS COMBINATION MASS - value specified for the vehicle by the Manufacturer as being the maximum of the sum of the Gross Vehicle Mass of the drawing vehicle plus the sum of the Axle Loads of any vehicle capable of being drawn as a trailer.
GCM is not as defined below which also incorrectly implies it an actual weight that can be measured:

Ken

Thanks Ken. Montie and I, among a few others, know about weights, and are more than happy to share our knowledge, and to help others but it does get frustrating when our advice regularly is challenged by at least one member who only thinks he knows weights, but seems to enjoy causing confusion for those members who are simply trying to learn. C'est la vie. Cheers

-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 26th of May 2022 11:17:26 AM

oldbloke · Guru

kgarnett wrote:
Gross Combination Mass (GCM) is a RATING and is defined in Vehicle Standard (Australian Design Rule - Definitions and Vehicle Categories) 2005,

GROSS COMBINATION MASS - value specified for the vehicle by the Manufacturer as being the maximum of the sum of the Gross Vehicle Mass of the drawing vehicle plus the sum of the Axle Loads of any vehicle capable of being drawn as a trailer.
GCM is not as defined below which also incorrectly implies it an actual weight that can be measured:

Ken

-- Edited by kgarnett on Thursday 26th of May 2022 10:23:55 AM

Umm, it doesn't imply it isn't a rating either. Does it? It's a simple definition.

Yes it is a rating. But if you weigh your van and car and add them together it is your GCM on the day, is it not? One is a rating, the other is your current GCM.

I'm not confused at all. You are.

Like I said, some just want to be heard or perhaps get clicks

oldbloke · Guru

Lol.
My ute has a rated GCM of 5t.

I weigh the ute = 2.5t
I weigh the van = 2.0t

I add 2.5t + 2.0t = 4.5t what am I?

I think its my current GCM

Edit for typo. Thx

-- Edited by oldbloke on Thursday 26th of May 2022 07:25:14 PM

bratboy · Veteran Member

Oldbloke i think you meant GCM , better edit that before the headmaster comes back to discipline you .

Craig1 · Guru

Yep OB, otherwise you may hear " the greenbottle CRACK "

yobarr · Guru

oldbloke wrote:
Lol.
My ute has a rated GCM of 5t.

I weigh the ute = 2.5t
I weigh the van = 2.0t

I add 2.5t + 2.0t = 4.5t what am I?

I think its my current GCM

Edit for typo. Thx

-- Edited by oldbloke on Thursday 26th of May 2022 07:25:14 PM

What part of "maximum" do you not understand? Cheers.

-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 26th of May 2022 09:51:07 PM

oldbloke · Guru

yobarr wrote:
oldbloke wrote:
Lol.
My ute has a rated GCM of 5t.

I weigh the ute = 2.5t
I weigh the van = 2.0t

I add 2.5t + 2.0t = 4.5t what am I?

I think its my current GCM

Edit for typo. Thx

-- Edited by oldbloke on Thursday 26th of May 2022 07:25:14 PM
What part of "maximum" do you not understand? Cheers.

-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 26th of May 2022 07:53:32 PM

-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 26th of May 2022 07:58:35 PM

Pathetic, just semantics. You help nobody with this. Your just copying without thinking.

Cheers OB ;)

oldbloke · Guru

oldbloke wrote:
Lol.
My ute has a rated GCM of 5t.

I weigh the ute = 2.5t
I weigh the van = 2.0t

I add 2.5t + 2.0t = 4.5t what am I?

I think its my current GCM

Edit for typo. Thx

-- Edited by oldbloke on Thursday 26th of May 2022 07:25:14 PM

Well, what is it?

montie · Guru

oldbloke wrote:
kgarnett wrote:
Gross Combination Mass (GCM) is a RATING and is defined in Vehicle Standard (Australian Design Rule - Definitions and Vehicle Categories) 2005,

GROSS COMBINATION MASS - value specified for the vehicle by the Manufacturer as being the maximum of the sum of the Gross Vehicle Mass of the drawing vehicle plus the sum of the Axle Loads of any vehicle capable of being drawn as a trailer.
GCM is not as defined below which also incorrectly implies it an actual weight that can be measured:

Ken

-- Edited by kgarnett on Thursday 26th of May 2022 10:23:55 AM
Umm, it doesn't imply it isn't a rating either. Does it? It's a simple definition.

Yes it is a rating. But if you weigh your van and car and add them together it is your GCM on the day, is it not? One is a rating, the other is your current GCM.

I'm not confused at all. You are.

Like I said, some just want to be heard or perhaps get clicks

That is incorrect and misleading.

You are confused...if you weigh your tug and your van that is your measured weight on the day.

Your GCM rating, which cannot be weighed is as you state 5 tonne.

montie · Guru

oldbloke wrote:
Well, after reading the last two posts I'm convinced some posters here only do because they want to be heard or impress.

I am curious to know what point you were endeavoring to make with that post?