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We are on the road permanently with no set destination contemplating about long-range fuel tank would like same feedback. Happy days.

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We have 350l tank ..Sure helps in areas of high fuel prices !! Ok we top up !! Pays to !! But only enough to get by . So we fill at prices around 1.32. / 1.40 cpl .. We didnt fill going across the Nullarbor!!!

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Have got the spare payload for tank & fuel & rear axle load.



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We have to us "a long range fuel tank" fitted to our ute, an extra 60 litres, we are tourers. 

It's not uncommon for us to do towards 10 000 kilometres of outback travel towing our caravan over a 2 month trip.

So the extra 60 litres helps us to manage our diesel touring better taking us from 400 ks to 600 ks between fill ups with ease.

If you go down this path there is a few things to consider, the fuel gauge reads "full" longer, the electronic trip metre will at first be inaccurate but as you travel further becomes more usable. 

But we are enjoying the expence of the long range tank and will do it again if we buy a car with a small fuel tank.



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Our second tank holds 125 liters giving us 200 liters all up and a safe towing range of 1000 Klm but only normally run about 40 to 50 liters in the second tank for emergencies. There is no need to carry all that extra weight unless you are going into remote or known to be expensive area's.

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Wanda wrote:

If you are keeping your vehicle for a long period and if you are travelling a lot they are really a great investment.
The only issue I can see is to look at your vehicle weights as they will be effected

Personally I "hate" having to "messs" with Jerries
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I have a 55ltr Boab drop in fuel tank mounted in the tub of the ute that gives me just under 120ltrs total which almost doubles my range.



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We are on the road permanently with no set destination contemplating about long-range fuel tank would like same feedback. Happy days.


 Hi Mark. Obviously the need for another fuel tank would depend on several things,but the type of car you have,and the weight of your van are important,as is the capacity of the existing tank.Many cars are right on,or over,their rear axle capacity when a caravan is attached,so the extra weight must be considered.At 6800kg GCM,with factory fuel tanks,I can travel 1000km (just) between refuels.Cheers



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Is your vehicle petrol or diesel? If petrol there may be an argument for them but with diesel most vehicles, I imagine, will have a towing range of 500km or more (even more if you tow at 80 to 90kph).

They are relatively expensive to install and then, of course, there's the weight and most of us have significant trouble keeping that down without extra fuel.

I can't remember many places on my travels in Oz where filling stations were greater than 400km apart - Canning SR and the like excepted but you'll not be taking a caravan on that! :)

How about a 25L jerry can instead? If you go with the jerry can make sure its filler spout suits your vehicle.

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10 litre contains are as much as I want to handle at a time. We have 4 x 10L & 2 x 5L, I can stand on rear wheel reach & it's light enough to handle. About 155 seconds to actually empty 10L.

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Had 90L main and 210L sub (300L total) in my last vehicle covered 380,000ks. Done a lot of remote travel with van in tow and the
dearest I seen was $4.30L thank goodness didnt have to refuel there.
It depends where you are going to travel and keeping within gvm & gcm. We had a payload of 680kg in vehicle to play with.
Id say the bigger sub more than paid for itself as we wouldnt have been able to get to most of the locations that we did.

Am I going to put a long range tank in my new vehicle BL***Y oath!

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Hello Mark,

I have been around Aust 3 times, from bottom of Tas to Cape York, Great Central Road Twice, Gibb River etc. Never seen the need for a LR tank.

For me, the cost of fitting same would never be recouped with fuel savings during the time I owned the vehicle. I prefer instead to carry two 20L jerry cans, these plus the standard tank currently give me 180 Litres which is plenty for most places in Aust.

LR tanks usually don't add resale value to a vehicle when time comes to sell, so you would need to be keeping your vehicle for a long period to justify its purchase. We use our vehicle pretty hard so prefer to turn them about every 5-6 years to avoid expensive repairs.

Not saying don't do it, do the math and work out how long the payback period is (in fuel savings alone), and if you can justify it go for it. 

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There is more to consider than just saving cash on the total cost of your fuel. I doubt that I recouped the cost of the purchase price of the tank. However, the convenience of having the tank was worth much of its price. There were things like only having to fill up once every three weeks instead of weekly was a bonus to me. I have only encountered fuel stations running out of diesel once (but I was in town long enough for the refill to arrive before my intended departure.) On the other hand, I have heard it happening quite a few times and the LR tank gave me confidence that I would not be embarrassed by an out-of-fuel station.

I could keep going on with the list of advantages of having an LR tank but I will just finish by saying that there are more advantages to having the tank than penny pinching.



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We wouldnt recoup the costs of purchasing a vehicle either !! Plus in some cases your still carrying extra fuel ! In my case only a few 100 extra $$ to fit myself .. 6.5ton / 8.5m motorhome!

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The amount of time I put into designing my setup, each litre I have put on the roof would be worth about $50 but it is worth every cent having extra range for remote areas.



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I have a 100 litre TTI Diesel Captain that I can place over the back axle on my dual cab. It has a bowser nozzle and using it is fairly straightforward. Most of the time it sits in a garage. Like most people I'm conscious of dollars but I only use it to guarantee range when on rougher remote tracks not to save a few bucks. Similarly my 20litre jerry is for emergency use not to save pennies. If I win lotto I might think about a new vehicle with an auxiliary tank (rather than a long range tank) but I'm happy with my current towing range (550km at highway speeds) for my typical trips.

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Hello Mark,

I have been around Aust 3 times, from bottom of Tas to Cape York, Great Central Road Twice, Gibb River etc. Never seen the need for a LR tank.

For me, the cost of fitting same would never be recouped with fuel savings during the time I owned the vehicle. I prefer instead to carry two 20L jerry cans, these plus the standard tank currently give me 180 Litres which is plenty for most places in Aust.

LR tanks usually don't add resale value to a vehicle when time comes to sell, so you would need to be keeping your vehicle for a long period to justify its purchase. We use our vehicle pretty hard so prefer to turn them about every 5-6 years to avoid expensive repairs.

Not saying don't do it, do the math and work out how long the payback period is (in fuel savings alone), and if you can justify it go for it. 

Regards,

Bob.


So, in your case you must have a standard tank of 140lts, most other 4x4 standard tanks are in the 80-90lt range so a completely different scenario.

You already have a long range tank albeit standard!

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I was about to mention the same thing, big standard tank. I put LR tank into Amarok to extend range between fills rather than stopping at every servo on the Nullarbor. May not do it with next vehicle as contemplating more weight to van with extra water. 240l v 160l.

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Not sure what model Rodeo ? But the latter models had a larger tank !! The smaller tank we filled every day . What a pain that was ! The latter model had 20 litres more !! Seemed much much better fuel wise ?? Possibly was ? Even with the slightly larger V6 3.5 .

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bomurra wrote:

Hello Mark,

I have been around Aust 3 times, from bottom of Tas to Cape York, Great Central Road Twice, Gibb River etc. Never seen the need for a LR tank.

For me, the cost of fitting same would never be recouped with fuel savings during the time I owned the vehicle. I prefer instead to carry two 20L jerry cans, these plus the standard tank currently give me 180 Litres which is plenty for most places in Aust.

LR tanks usually don't add resale value to a vehicle when time comes to sell, so you would need to be keeping your vehicle for a long period to justify its purchase. We use our vehicle pretty hard so prefer to turn them about every 5-6 years to avoid expensive repairs.

Not saying don't do it, do the math and work out how long the payback period is (in fuel savings alone), and if you can justify it go for it. 

Regards,

Bob.


So, in your case you must have a standard tank of 140lts, most other 4x4 standard tanks are in the 80-90lt range so a completely different scenario.

You already have a long range tank albeit standard!

Ian



-- Edited by Wanda on Saturday 12th of June 2021 09:08:03 AM


Your right on There Ian the standard tank on the Defender is 75 Liters So I would only plan on using maybe 60 of that at the most if I did not have back up. Fortunately for me the second tank was fitted from new by the original owner who bought the vehicle as a cab chassis and had it fitted out for long range touring. The cost was not my problem.

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Back in the days before one was worried about excess weight, I put a 165L replacement tank in our MQ Patrol - bought second hand from a wrecker.

With our next Patrol, I bought a new replacement tank from a 4WD accessory place in Adelaide (installed it myself) but found a split in the sheet metal at the back of the tank - what a drama! Fortunately ARB Townsville was able to repair it & bill the other crowd.
We came very close to running out of fuel on one trip where we traveled from Winton to Innaminka. What I failed to take into consideration was a layer of sand on the top section of the Strzeleki Track. I managed to buy 50L at the Diamentina Ranger Station & had a small 11L jerry can on the camper trailer. We got into Innaminka with the fuel gauge on the LHS of the red marker on the fuel gauge! The jerry can was not used! Later we added a 20L jerry can to the Jayco camper when we changed campers.

The GU came with the 29L sub tank which covered us for most of our adventures & with the gas injection giving improved economy we didn't have to carry more fuel (when I could get gas).
Yes I'd like more than 76L in the D-Max but I guess I'll have to carry a jerry or two & blow the weight!

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I'm curious what fuel economy (diesel) people are getting whilst towing and at what speeds they get it? Litres per 100 kilometres.



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-- Edited by KevinJ on Tuesday 15th of June 2021 12:43:58 PM


 Hi Kevin. At 6800kg GCM I get 5.8km/l at 90kph,or 17.2 litres/100km.For us older folk,this is just over 16 mpg,and I'm happy with that.On paper,I could travel over 1000km between refills,with factory tanks. Cheers



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Close to 3T caravan pulled by a Holden Trailblazer (2.8L turbo diesel) = 14.5L/100km towing - 9L/100km solo.

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Previous vehicle: 3.5L petrol Holden Jackaroo = 24L/100km towing - 14L/100km solo.

Edit again! I tow at a true (not speedo) 90kph.

Edit yet again (this is silly): typo

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Mike Harding wrote:

Close to 3T caravan pulled by a Holden Trailblazer (2.8L turbo diesel) = 14.5L/100km towing - 9L/100km solo.

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Previous vehicle: 3.5L petrol Holden Jackaroo = 24L/100km towing - 14L/100km solo.

Edit again! I tow at a true (not speedo) 90kph.

Edit yet again (this is silly): typo

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 All that editing!!! you lost the plot Mike? biggrin

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 All that editing!!! you lost the plot Mike? 


Not just the plot! but the entire novel and bookcase! :)



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I'm curious what fuel economy (diesel) people are getting whilst towing and at what speeds they get it? Litres per 100 kilometres.



-- Edited by KevinJ on Tuesday 15th of June 2021 12:43:58 PM



Land Rover Defender Dual Cab 2.5 liter 5 cylinder diesel weight about 6700 Kg. average fuel consumption 16 L/100 We also travel at 90 Kph.


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Thanks for the replies so far. Please keep them coming. I too tend to keep to about 90 kms though I also tend to drive to an RPM of 1500 - 2000 with a 3 ltr diesel.  It means I need to back off speed up hills though it keeps my economy to under 15 ltrs / 100 kms.



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