Believers in QAnon and other conspiracy theories reveal how they climbed out of the rabbit hole

msg · Guru

Blood clots/ AZ Vaccine

Santa · Guru

If the situation wasn't so serious you would have to laugh, time for the conspiracy theorists to wake up to themselves, I know I'm dreamin, ain't gonna happen. biggrin

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Buzz Lightbulb · Guru

I'm very happy for people to refuse the vaccine. There are too many people in the world. Getting rid of the stupid ones is a good start.

msg · Guru

Yes It would be a good to stat with you

TheHeaths · Guru

Do you have a different number msg?

If so, then let us know, so we can be up to date. If not, then whether the government, big business or Harry Houdini provided it, it is all we have to make decisions with.

The conspiracy theories surrounding this pandemic astound me.

DMaxer · Guru

I don't really understand how statements of how one feels the next day has any relevance to the safety or otherwise of the vaccines. It is a bit like having a medical the week after you started smoking cigarettes or drinking alcohol to excess and pronouncing it has had no deleterious effects. The real issue is how you are in a few months or a year or so. I am not in any hurry to have some vaccine tested on me because a politician told me I should. I will wait and see. If others want to have it now, then that is their choice and not for me to comment.

msg · Guru

Who said it was a conspiracy theory. I though it was more like a question about something I found that I didn't have enough clarity. So, Ian what gives you faith in the numbers. Apparently the effectivness is overstated in the above cartoon. The real efficacy of the vaccines in not 95% at all.

TheHeaths · Guru

I have faith to the extent that nothing else has been presented. They may or may not be totally correct, but in the absence of evidence to the contrary, they are believable.

If something else is available msg, then let me know.

WRT the conspiracy theory comment, that is more a generalised comment re what has been happening throughout the COVID pandemic. Bill Gates, transmission by 5G radio waves, the New World Order and other such things. Your comment re the numbers being promulgated by a Govt that needs to justify its expenditure of taxpayers money to get vaccines so that they continue to get big donations to win the next election seems to be close to a conspiracy theory as well to me.

I do understand that the efficacy of vaccines is not 95%, but I also know that the efficacy of not vaccinating is 0%!

So I repeat that my position is this, as it is for most things. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, I must go with the evidence I do have.

msg · Guru

and believe it totally without question? Ummm

orid · Senior Member

Well i'd rather wait awhile and maybe have the Phizer vaccine when available.

Meanwhile back at the ranch ,I;d rather die from the virus than from the cure ,lol

Orid

TheHeaths · Guru

So it is sillier to believe some information without question, than ones unsubstantiated feelings and bias.

If other reasonable information, can be presented to make your contention more believable than the current official figures, I would support your position. Until then, I will have to remain one of the poor misguided followers of what is available.

Blues Man · Guru

I don't know about anybody else but i have booked in to get the jab .(Astra zeneca )

Life is in Gods hands ,not ours .

Santa · Guru

It's impossible to reason with people who are incapable of logical thought. wink

REASONING

Does the human being reason? No; he thinks, muses, reflects, but does not reason...That is, in the two things which are the peculiar domain of the heart, not the mind,--politics and religion. He doesn't want to know the other side. He wants arguments and statistics for his own side, and nothing more.
- Mark Twain's Notebook

msg · Guru

www.9news.com.au/national/experts-warn-against-vaccine-hesitancy-amid-threat-of-mutant-strains/a309e15f-3451-431d-8d89-c5ce84ecb905 This does't make much sense to me. They are urging people to get the vaccine because there is a threat of mutant strains coming here. At the same time they are unsure as to the efficacy of the current vaccines against these strains.

msg · Guru

www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-22/if-public-has-vaccine-hesitancy-government-strategy-hesitancy/100154798

"In Australia, only one person a 48-year-old woman has died from the AstraZeneca vaccine, and she had other serious medical issues. That is, clotting is rare and can make you very sick but in countries with good healthcare, it doesn't kill healthy people."

One of a number of statements that is confusing. If AZ doesn't kill healthy people, with the inference it only kills the sick then why are they insisting on giving it to the elderly and frail? and saving the good stuff for the fit and healthy?

-- Edited by msg on Saturday 22nd of May 2021 11:09:16 AM

Buzz Lightbulb · Guru

msg wrote:
Yes It would be a good to stat with you

Definitely, bringing the population down a few billion would be a very good stat.

Santa · Guru

For some reason population control/reduction doesn't seem to be a popular topic.

Billy Connolly came up with a solution, cannibalism, as he comments in this YouTube clip, if all of us ate one other person the problem would be halved overnight, he then take his reasoning to its logical conclusion, wonderful stuff and so very sensible. biggrin

Santa · Guru

Believers in QAnon and other conspiracy theories reveal how they climbed out of the rabbit hole

Well worth a read, some of us would do well to try to understand what is being said. wink

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-05-23/ex-conspiracy-theorists-reveal-how-they-got-out-qanon/100153732

Plain Truth · Guru

Santa wrote:
Believers in QAnon and other conspiracy theories reveal how they climbed out of the rabbit hole
Well worth a read, some of us would do well to try to understand what is being said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-05-23/ex-conspiracy-theorists-reveal-how-they-got-out-qanon/100153732

Just what we would expect from someone like you to take this women seriously

-- Edited by Plain Truth on Sunday 23rd of May 2021 03:21:46 PM

Greg 1 · Guru

With all the stuff about blod clotting, I have to admit that I had some hesitation with the AZ vaccine. But when I sat down and seriously thought about this, the chances of me getting Covid are higher, getting run over by a bus are higher, and I went out and bought a lotto ticket because my chances in that are better than getting a blood clot. I have had the first jab now and must wait until August to get the second. I think the media beat this up way too much. To get a blood clot from it you need to have an extremely rare form of platelet problem in the first place. The rarity of that is such that Covid is far more dangerous.

Santa · Guru

Greg 1 wrote:
With all the stuff about blod clotting, I have to admit that I had some hesitation with the AZ vaccine. But when I sat down and seriously thought about this, the chances of me getting Covid are higher, getting run over by a bus are higher, and I went out and bought a lotto ticket because my chances in that are better than getting a blood clot. I have had the first jab now and must wait until August to get the second. I think the media beat this up way too much. To get a blood clot from it you need to have an extremely rare form of platelet problem in the first place. The rarity of that is such that Covid is far more dangerous.

Pretty well on the money Greg. smile

Plain Truth · Guru

Santa wrote:
Greg 1 wrote:
With all the stuff about blod clotting, I have to admit that I had some hesitation with the AZ vaccine. But when I sat down and seriously thought about this, the chances of me getting Covid are higher, getting run over by a bus are higher, and I went out and bought a lotto ticket because my chances in that are better than getting a blood clot. I have had the first jab now and must wait until August to get the second. I think the media beat this up way too much. To get a blood clot from it you need to have an extremely rare form of platelet problem in the first place. The rarity of that is such that Covid is far more dangerous.
Pretty well on the money Greg.

The chances of being in hospital with covid in Australia is very remote.Here is the latest figures from the Australian Govt website.

22 people-- yes only 22. people To much scaremongering

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Plain Truth · Guru

Captureblood clots6.JPG Very interesting figures from the Australian Government website,as you can see 22 people out of 25 million pop. in hospital with covid less than 1 in a million.

Get the Astrazeneca vaccine and you get 4-6 people per million getting TTS . Blood clots.

Why get the vaccine and reduce you odds of survival.I trust my natural immune system to protect me.

Your body your choice , my body my choice.

Wish people could leave it at that,instead of trying to dictate to others.

-- Edited by Plain Truth on Sunday 23rd of May 2021 06:24:51 PM

Greg 1 · Guru

It is your choice no question. But expect the new normal to be that if you wish to travel overseas or by air, being vaccinated will be a requirement. Don't think that's real? I can remember a time when if you wish to travel overseas you had to have smallpox and cholera vaccinations. No one thought twice about it. It was just part of the process like getting a passport. It will not surprise me if it becomes like this for Covid to protect fellow travellers if nothing else. If Australia gets hit with a big 2nd wave which is entirely possible with returning overseas travellers, I want to be vaccinated to give myself the maximum possible chance of survival.

Greg 1 · Guru

Also keep in mind that to date we have had far more than 22 people in hospital with this disease and about 1000 Australians have paid with their lives because of it. And Australia has got off very light so far. The only way we are going to get back to anything remotely resembling normal is by the population getting vaccinated. So I urge you to go away and have a real good think about this. The scaremongering is about the vaccine not covid and all vaccines have odd bods who are allergic to them and have an adverse reaction

Steel Dog · Veteran Member

Hi everyone,
I went and had my first AZ jab on Sunday morning around 10.00 am, I didn't even fell the needle and went home and thought that was that, not so.
I must say that the last time I had the Flu injection (about 10 years ago) I was crook for 2 weeks, so I haven't had one since and have not had the flu.
Anyway about 11.00 pm I started to get really really cold hands and feet, so socks on and off to bed, around 1.00am Monday morning I woke up shivering and shaking uncontrollably, and I mean shaking all over, I was in bed all day Monday and then started feeling better in the evening, I had a very uncomfortable night with aches and pains in almost every joint, got up his morning (Tuesday) my hips were real painful, I just couldn't walk off the pain so I took a couple Panadol and within an hour I was almost back to normal.
My next Jab is booked in 3 weeks time and this time I will have 2 pairs of socks on and gloves on for bed, even tough it knocked me around a bit I am still keen to get the next Jab and see how that goes.
Stay well.

Craig1 · Guru

we were told to wait 12 weeks Michael, google also still says around that period

Steel Dog · Veteran Member

Thanks Graig1 you are correct, I must have had 3 weeks in my head, just checked my paperwork and it's booked for 9 Sept 2021
Cheers

clancee · Member

Hi bob thats no good, myself and many friends are all ok i think we are very safe here just take care

Santa · Guru

Greg 1 wrote:
Also keep in mind that to date we have had far more than 22 people in hospital with this disease and about 1000 Australians have paid with their lives because of it. And Australia has got off very light so far. The only way we are going to get back to anything remotely resembling normal is by the population getting vaccinated. So I urge you to go away and have a real good think about this. The scaremongering is about the vaccine not covid and all vaccines have odd bods who are allergic to them and have an adverse reaction

Morning Greg, both of your latest posts to this thread display good logic and clarity of thought.

If only others were prepared to work toward the well being of all instead of quoting flawed logic and adopting selfish attitudes we would see a a faster end to the current Covid issue.

Rubbery figures, falsehoods and selfishness benefit no one.

Statements such as this "I trust my natural immune system to protect me" is pretty much a case of F*ck you jack, I'm alright, it displays arrogance, selfishness, and a dismissive disregard of others. smile