A few thoughts to ponder on, every society in the world, whether primitive or advanced (so called) has held to a form of marriage between male and female. Every major religion has held to that also.

If we want to learn from history then let's examine what works, both the ancient Greeks and Romans lost their basic ethics and moral values as they first tolerated and then accepted the idea that same sex relationships were OK. We have benefited from both these ancient cultures in many ways yet refuse to realise that when the standards that began these cultures/societies were weakened and changed it marked the end of those societies as a viable entity.

The standards and values we now hold on to are very different to even 50 years age, so we have a massive increase in porn availability, social standards regarding manners respect for the elderly and morality have never been so low, are we seriously saying that we are evolving into a more tolerant and safer society?

I am a semi retired schoolteacher working in the public school sector and we are required to teach respect, accept and encourage students to be non judgemental with regard to extreme views of those who seek to undermine the very fabric of what has historically been seen as anti social behaviour, and have a rigid adherence to being politically correct at all times.

Of course I am aware that my views are seen as outdated and even quaint in this enlightened age, but you cannot deny the facts I noted above, love is not the basis of marriage, if it was, the oldest and most populace countries would not place such importance on arranged marriages, these marriages are much more successful than so called love marriages. I have been on my marriage journey for 45 years, but that does not prove anything other than we produced children to increase and grow the kind of society we want. What contribution can same sex marriage add to our society ? Other than the emotional sexual gratification of those who seek to overturn an institution that has been from our earliest history as human beings.

If getting married is so important to gays why has the word wife or husband been dropped in favour of 'partner'? I didn't think it was a business. I realise it came about because there are now many couples that prefer to live together or some like our pollies do it to fool the populace that ms or mr polly aren't sharing the same bed while trying to pretend they are not gaming the system.

Pete

Any chance we could contact this supernatural entity, God, and ask what are his current views on the subject? A phone number would be convenient, but neither white or yellow pages have been much help.

Iza

Pete49 wrote:

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If getting married is so important to gays why has the word wife or husband been dropped in favour of 'partner'? I didn't think it was a business. I realise it came about because there are now many couples that prefer to live together or some like our pollies do it to fool the populace that ms or mr polly aren't sharing the same bed while trying to pretend they are not gaming the system.

Pete

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My thoughts exactly! I cringe whenever the word "partner" is used in place of "husband" or "wife". It makes the relationship sound impersonal.

No comments from the woman members of this forum?

03_Troopy wrote:

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 I think they are all listed under imaginary friends, in the white pages.

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 Good one, that.

however, I was interested in the differing points of view before God spoiled it.

Iza

Izabarack wrote:

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Any chance we could contact this supernatural entity, God, and ask what are his current views on the subject? A phone number would be convenient, but neither white or yellow pages have been much help.

Iza

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 You don't need to ring, you've already got an appointment.

Quite a few gay & lesbian couples are looking forward to getting married in a church if possible. What's that telling you?

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Young Simmo wrote:

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deverall11 wrote:

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Hey what ever happened to having political subjects shut down by SWMBO. Cindy you are slow on this one.
Larry

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Please enlighten me, as I obviously have the wrong slant on things.

 

 

(A) I thought this was a site for friendly chit chat amongst us people who have to use a grey tint to get rid of that horrible black hair.

 

(B) According to your comment it would seem that this site is all about the discussion of BSA Bantam 125 cc motor bikes.

 

Simmo.

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 Not sure what you're on about, however:

the avatar is a BMW 1200S. I have seen 280kph on the speedo on my way to Walcha from Port Macquarie. I also own a Ducati Monster 1200s.

Discussing gay marriages is no less political then discussing GST proposals. Gst threads were shut down, why is this one not. Seem like there is a bit of inconsistency. 

people want to get married or not in the main it does not affect my financial position in a negative way, however increasing gst does.

both BMW and Ducati are far more advanced motorcycles than a putt putt BS bantam.

Hope this clarifies this for you young simmo

Desert Dweller wrote:

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Quite a few gay & lesbian couples are looking forward to getting married in a church if possible. What's that telling you?

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It tells me that they don't read their Holy Book. How do they reconcile asking a priest (God's earthly representative) to unite them under God when their Bible tells them that homosexuality is an abomination before the Lord?

dorian wrote:

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Desert Dweller wrote:

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Quite a few gay & lesbian couples are looking forward to getting married in a church if possible. What's that telling you?

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It tells me that they don't read their Holy Book. How do they reconcile asking a priest (God's earthly representative) to unite them under God when their Bible tells them that homosexuality is an abomination before the Lord?

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 You best be sending these mammals to religious instruction for whichever god you think is appropriate.

List of Mammals Displaying Homosexual Behaviour

Young Simmo wrote:

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deverall11, 45 People enjoying the conversation, and 1 person is not enjoying. I don't believe there is any act of Parliament that says you have to read this conversation.

Simmo.

Maybe you could tell us what we can talk about and shut the rest of the site down!

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 Has nothing to do with enjoying or not. I was looking forward to having a mature exchange of opinions and ideas about gst changes and that thread was shut down because of political implications. Gay marriage is a political topic. If you are going to shut down a conversation about gst why not gay marriage. Conversely why can't we ave a conversation about GST?

Maybe you could enwhiten us young simmo 

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Isn't it interesting how the God knockers have chimed in, yet not one intelligent comment on the issue, why is that I wonder ?

Is it because you can not give a factual reasoned argument regarding the issues raised in my above post, just bring in the same old let's change the subject tactic, whether or not you believe in a God does not change the fact that same sex marriage is not productive, nor is it in line with an evolutionary mindset. One needs to see that emotional arguments are just that, emotional ! !

Give a reason for your advocacy of same sex marriage, not use someone's belief as a reason to deny that it is not good for our society.

There are many sociological and mental health issues surrounding the SSM ideology, as well as the rights of the child for those who are wanting to have their SSM include children. Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, confusionists, and all other belief systems around today including atheists, overwhelmingly support marriage between a man and a woman. Only the so called modern minded see it as a valid option in our morally sick society. So let's rubbish the God idea but offer nothing in His place.

Must feel good to feel superior to 98% of humanity who hold to a transcendent power ?? Guess that means you will have this thread closed, well done !

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 Two words "Human Rights"

And in your previous post you list some personal points of view based on your beliefs without citing any documented evidence that they are correct. Having a personal point of view is fine, but be happy with that and don't expect that everyone else has to agree with it. I'm not knocking anyone's choice of god (yes lower case), but their is too much hate in the world today simply because groups of people insist that their ideals are the only true beliefs and all others are wrong.

Today (last night?) has been a shocking illustration of this.

Oh Troopy, thank you for your factual evidence, I am willing and able to provide proof for what you state are my personal views, but please tell what personal views are wrong. I have facts to support my personal views.

Also provide some factual evidence for it being a human right, not just an opinion please.