Fuel supply/ shortages

Dick0 · Guru

RE: Fuel supply/ shortages

Plain Truth · Guru

Magnarc wrote:
The Brits gave a large chunk of Palestine to the Jews in 1948. This done without consultation with neighbouring countries. They did so because they could, Palestine was a British 'protectorate'. Acts of this nature are a recipe for disaster and no one should be surprised when the likes of Hamas and Hezbollah appear.
The Israeli constitution allows any Jews anwhere, to live in Israel. The influx since 1948 has been enormous and you don't have to be an Einstein to know what they have done to fix the problem. First was the annexing of the Golan Heights. The pretext for this was a supposed attack from Syria.
Since then there has been a continuing gradual takeover of Palestinian land to accomodate the growing number of settlers. It appears to me that the advance by the IDF into Lebanon has a twofold aim, one is to crush Hezbollah and the other?, yep more territory. Time will prove that right or wrong.The actions of the likes of Hezbollah and Hamas are deplorable and I condemn them, but I can understand why they came into being.
Putin thought that an invasion of Ukraine would take a few weeks. The Donald figured that Iran would be easy. Some people have never learned anything from History, maybe they think that it does not apply to them?
Footnote.
On the 22nd July, 1946 the King David hotel in Jerusalem was bombed by the militant terrorist Zionist organisation, Irgun which resulted in the deaths of 91 people and 46 injured. The hotel housed, among others,the offices of the British armed forces in Palestine.

Israel has had 42 Kings,before they had Kings they had 12 judges.

How many Kings or Rulers has Palestine had.

The Jewish State has been recognised by many nations

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Are We Lost · Guru

Interesting Plain Truth. I searched for United Kingdom in the list. Not there. Checking further the UK abstained.

So much for the earlier "facts are facts".

Magnarc · Guru

Are We Lost wrote:
Magnarc wrote:
The Brits gave a large chunk of Palestine to the Jews in 1948. This done without consultation with neighbouring countries. They did so because they could, Palestine was a British 'protectorate'. Acts of this nature are a recipe for disaster and no one should be surprised when the likes of Hamas and Hezbollah appear.

As you said in a subsequent post, "facts are facts" and what you have posted there are not facts. So much misinformation.
It was actually the UN that formalised the creation of separate states in 1948 after Britain relinquished control. So, it was actually many countries that approved of the plan that had first been proposed in the 18th century. The neigbouring countries were consulted and objected, but the UN proceeded over those objections.

If the Brits had not relinquished control the UN could not have created it. I stand by what I wrote. In the light of your views in expressed in other places, your post was not unexpected. The fact that many countries agreed, is extraneous to the debate, since it wasn''t their decision to make. However I accept your right to your opinion. who is is right or wrong, will be for others to determine.

PS. I fail to see what past Kings and Judges have to do with the present situation Plain Truth???

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Plain Truth · Guru

Are We Lost wrote:
Interesting Plain Truth. I searched for United Kingdom in the list. Not there. Checking further the UK abstained.

So much for the earlier "facts are facts".

FACTS

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Plain Truth · Guru

Magnarc wrote:
Are We Lost wrote:
Magnarc wrote:
The Brits gave a large chunk of Palestine to the Jews in 1948. This done without consultation with neighbouring countries. They did so because they could, Palestine was a British 'protectorate'. Acts of this nature are a recipe for disaster and no one should be surprised when the likes of Hamas and Hezbollah appear.

As you said in a subsequent post, "facts are facts" and what you have posted there are not facts. So much misinformation.
It was actually the UN that formalised the creation of separate states in 1948 after Britain relinquished control. So, it was actually many countries that approved of the plan that had first been proposed in the 18th century. The neigbouring countries were consulted and objected, but the UN proceeded over those objections.

If the Brits had not relinquished control the UN could not have created it. I stand by what I wrote. In the light of your views in expressed in other places, your post was not unexpected. The fact that many countries agreed, is extraneous to the debate, since it wasn''t their decision to make. However I accept your right to your opinion. who is is right or wrong, will be for others to determine.
PS. I fail to see what past Kings and Judges have to do with the present situation Plain Truth???

-- Edited by Magnarc on Tuesday 21st of April 2026 04:58:03 PM

Of course you fail to see what past kings and judges have to do with the present situation.

Your head is buried in the sand.Israel has been there for thousands of years.

Are We Lost · Guru

Sorry Magnarc, wrong again. Building on the last posts by Plain Truth ...

Britannica has a small article about UN Resolution 181 and Wikipedia has a much deeper one.

As per both sources, the UK relinquished control in 1947 because they did not want to be involved anymore. It was passed to the UN which established a committee. The committee came up with two alternate plans and the Arab community rejected both. As noted before, the UK abstained from voting .... both points far from "the facts" posted earlier.

I have no idea what I would have done at the time, but smarter and vastly better informed people than us made a very tough decision. I am not saying either side had more or less justification, but what would have happened if that decision and action had not been taken? What phase in history would you propose that clearly gave one side more entitlement than the other?

In your previous posts when pressed to be specific you have usually declined to do so. How about making an exception.

Sorry for continuing the thread drift but that is what appears to be the interest now.

Ineedabiggerboat · Guru

Dont forget Matilda. Dec 14. Dont forget Oct 7. Dont forget 9/11. Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis are primarily funded, trained, and armed by Iran as part of its "Axis of Resistance," a network of regional proxies designed to advance Iranian foreign policy goals and counter U.S. and Israeli influence. The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), specifically its elite Quds Force, serves as the primary conduit for this support. The ones that just a few months ago murdered 35,000 people. Their policies on marriage as in keep it in the family leads to many issues, including mental health. I researched the number of civilians killed by Australian RAF bombing since WW2. Check it yourselves. Estimates in the tens of thousands. Im not perturbed by it, its the fog of war. Anyone who objects to sane countries taking offensive action against those lunatics is a fool.

dorian · Guru

Some AI research ...

The Jewish population of Palestine in 1921 is estimated at about 76,000 - 78,000. This figure comes from demographic reconstructions for the years immediately before the 1922 British Mandate census, which recorded 83,794 Jews in 1922.

https://www.palestinianhistorytapestry.org/tapestry/0460-jewish-immigration-to-palestine/

Before World War II, the Jewish population of Palestine was roughly 449,000 (in 1939). This reflects the result of several waves of Zionist immigration during the British Mandate period (1922 - 1948), which significantly increased the Jewish share of the population.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-and-non-jewish-population-of-israel-palestine-1517-present

The Jewish population of Israel in 1948 was approximately 806,000. This figure comes from official population statistics for the State of Israel's founding year.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/population-of-israel-1948-present

Therefore, it is clear that British occupation is responsible for the Jewish population explosion in Palestine. The British presence in Palestine was also responsible for the immigration of hundreds of thousands of the post-war Jewish diaspora.

Basically, the British said to the UN, yes, we made a mess of it, but you can clean it up. If European imperialists hadn't meddled in the Middle East, the Jews would still be in Europe and the Arabs would still be in Palestine.

To those who believe that the Jewish people were entitled to reclaim their Biblical homeland after centuries of absence, tell that to the indigenous peoples of Australia, and North, South and Central America.

DMaxer · Guru

I agree with your summary Magnarc.

DMaxer · Guru

In relation to that attack on He King David hotel in 1946 Magnarc, the leader of the terrorist group that killed 91 diplomats and their staff was M. Begin. He subsequently went on to be the Israeli PM in the late seventies to mid eighties. Good form eh? I also see that big Don let slip the other day that the USA supplied weapons to the protesters via the Kurds in that uprising that occurred in Tehran recently. Those are the same people they care so much about they want to annihilate the whole civilisation.

Dick0 · Guru

fatty wrote:
Please don't turn this political !

The OP requested this in the opening statement.

DMaxer · Guru

It is not political to have an opinion and a discussion on world events Dicko, especially ones that impact on a pastime that brings us to this forum. For those not interested or find it too uncomfortable there are also other topics such as overcharging van parks and weight distribution hitches where those so inclined can vent.

Magnarc · Guru

I did know his name, but it went into the ether!!

DMaxer, You no doubt will have noted that, anyone who disagrees with the extreme right is immediately branded a leftie. I found that out big time in another place, where I had the temerity to put another point of view.

I like you, think that Albanese has done the best that he can to prop up our fuel shortage. If that makes me a leftie then so be it. Our problem with fuel goes back years when six of our refineries went out of the window, the problem was then compounded by faliure to have sufficient reserves.

Footnote.

The refineries were closed under a Liberal/Nationals coalition during the Abbott-Turnbull-Morrison era.

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rmoor · Guru

I am pleased this thread has survived into 8 pages.

It is a critical conversation and the many points of view have been informative.
I don't mind political comment and in this instance it is probably impossible to avoid it.
As long as it is sane and not too controversial, what is wrong with political comment.

I think it is a bunch of flowers to the moderator to allow this one to run a bit.

Fuel costs are steadily coming down, but I think there is a lesson there for "the Authorities" to step up and look closer at fuel pricing structures surely?

TheHeaths · Guru

Magnarc wrote:
I did know his name, but it went into the ether!!
DMaxer, You no doubt will have noted that, anyone who disagrees with the extreme right is immediately branded a leftie. I found that out big time in another place, where I had the temerity to put another point of view.
I like you, think that Albanese has done the best that he can to prop up our fuel shortage. If that makes me a leftie then so be it. Our problem with fuel goes back years when six of our refineries went out of the window, the problem was then compounded by faliure to have sufficient reserves.
Footnote.
The refineries were closed under a Liberal/Nationals coalition during the Abbott-Turnbull-Morrison era.
Sorry but my post has got mixed up with yours Mr M. Opinions below belong to Ian. I apologise for my error.
It is worth mentioning that the refineries were all privately owned, by major oil companies and closure was a business/profit decision made by them alone. It was not a political decision, and intervention by government would not have made a brass razoo of difference. The decision to close would also have been made years before it happened, so it would be impossible to know who was in power when the closure wheels were set in motion. It would be interesting to see what state party was in power during the closures. I doubt they were all LNP.

Sheeting responsibility for the closures, or lack of action in preventing them is a pointless and misleading exercise.
Suffice to say, it happened, and LNP, Labour, Greens, One Nation or any other party would have had no effect on changing that decision.

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DMaxer · Guru

Hi Magnarc. I learned years ago that whenever someone called me a leftie it was just an indication that they could not find anything worthwhile to support their own views and so attacked all those that did not agree.

On a happier note, back in the 1970s I was living abroad and undertaking post grad studies in my field of work. During a summer break, a friend and I went on a trek throughout the Middle East. My old dad had served with both the 6th and the 9th division in the AIF during WW2 and armed with a few old photos and a couple of his diaries that I had brought with me from Oz, I set out to retrace where he had been. It was the most memorable trip I have ever had.

We went through Egypt into Libya and met nothing but help and kindness from the locals. We also travelled through Jordan, Syria, Israel and Lebanon and met the same response. After that we travelled through Irag and Iran. The people there were very welcoming too. There were no issues at any time, mainly because they knew (and we made sure they knew) that we were not Americans. I think in those days the best passports to travel with, especially in that area, were either an Aussie or a Kiwi as they had memories of our servicemen from WW2.

Even in those days there were tensions. You had to plan your trip as if you entered some countries you could not get into Israel later and vice versa. In Israel, the passport was not stamped to facilitate this.

It is terrible to think that these people are now being bombed because of the issues with their respective regimes. In Iran, a democratically leader was overthrown by the US and GB and replaced with a puppet who was then overthrown by the people. It is a hideous regime now in power just like the ethno supremists running Israel and that maniac in the USA. Just think, during the 1980s with the Ayatollah in charge the USA and Israel both supplied that regime with missiles and arms.

I imagine that China must be thinking that all its Christmases have come at once.

Magnarc · Guru

No problem Ian. If we were all perfect we wouldn't have the problems that beset us now. How I wish!!!!

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Magnarc · Guru

Good that you got to follow in dads footsteps. I spent 12 months in Egypt in 1956 before being sent to Cyprus to help deal with a Greek bloke General Grivas who wanted the Turks out of the country. Egypt was not exactly a war as such, There was not a lot of action from the locals, just the odd skirmish here and there.

I recall when we pulled a fellow squaddy out of the Sweet H2O Canal which ran next to the Suez.Who ever christened it certainly had a sense of humour, it was a stinking cesspit. I suppose it has been cleaned up somewhat since then.

That poor bugger ended up with every jab known to man, a veritable pin cushion.

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DMaxer · Guru

That would have been fun times in Egypt. That was when President Nassar wanted to nationalise the canal and boot the English and French out. Would have been an eye opener. You didn't get much help from Uncle Sam.

One of my other treks following where my old dad went was into Greece and down to Crete. That was a terrible decision by Churchill. They were sent there so he could tell the USA he was fighting Nazis and the Lend Lease Agreement would continue. They had not chance, landed and then a continual retreat to Crete for the Aussies and the Kiwis.

Dad would never talk about any of it. If I asked him a question I would get a few words followed by "maybe when you are older". It was only after he died and I read through the diaries that I began to understand some of what had happened.

Plain Truth · Guru

dorian wrote:
Some AI research ...

The Jewish population of Palestine in 1921 is estimated at about 76,000 - 78,000. This figure comes from demographic reconstructions for the years immediately before the 1922 British Mandate census, which recorded 83,794 Jews in 1922.

https://www.palestinianhistorytapestry.org/tapestry/0460-jewish-immigration-to-palestine/

Before World War II, the Jewish population of Palestine was roughly 449,000 (in 1939). This reflects the result of several waves of Zionist immigration during the British Mandate period (1922 - 1948), which significantly increased the Jewish share of the population.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-and-non-jewish-population-of-israel-palestine-1517-present

The Jewish population of Israel in 1948 was approximately 806,000. This figure comes from official population statistics for the State of Israel's founding year.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/population-of-israel-1948-present

Therefore, it is clear that British occupation is responsible for the Jewish population explosion in Palestine. The British presence in Palestine was also responsible for the immigration of hundreds of thousands of the post-war Jewish diaspora.

Basically, the British said to the UN, yes, we made a mess of it, but you can clean it up. If European imperialists hadn't meddled in the Middle East, the Jews would still be in Europe and the Arabs would still be in Palestine.

To those who believe that the Jewish people were entitled to reclaim their Biblical homeland after centuries of absence, tell that to the indigenous peoples of Australia, and North, South and Central America.

Plain Truth · Guru

Bit more info for those who want the truth.

Ineedabiggerboat · Guru

If all the Greeks in Melbourne were persecuted, they would probably go back to Greece and significantly inflate the population.

BBN2 · Veteran Member

There seems to be a couple of people who are antisemitic in this thread Plain Truth so I think you're flogging a dead horse - at least with them.

DMaxer · Guru

Criticising a countrys government is not criticism of its citizens. Its a bit like calling people who live here anti Australian when they criticise our present government. Perhaps if you did a bit of research you would discover that the one country who really criticises the present Israeli government is its own citizens. Have you seen the protests in Tel Aviv? Not all people of the Jewish faith are Zionists.!

Magnarc · Guru

BBN2 wrote:
There seems to be a couple of people who are antisemitic in this thread Plain Truth so I think you're flogging a dead horse - at least with them.

I am so antisemitic that I attended a Jewish wedding of a young feller six months ago, who's father has been a good friend for 20 odd yrs.

Once again we have someone making baseless accusations through an area that is much lower than his head. Blunder is an excellent choice for a non de plume. Totally in keeping with your previous efforts.

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msg · Guru

I don't trust anything using the word "Diaspora" It indicates to me that it was written recently and worded to reflect the current political language of the woke (left).

Whenarewethere · Guru

If oils doesn't start moving very soon in the middle east.

Storage capacity is basically full, so oil pumping will need to shut down. They have been pumping as slow as they can.

Then we have a serious problem as restarting pumping oil wells is not like turning a tap on.