Fuel supply/ shortages

Ineedabiggerboat · Guru

RE: Fuel supply/ shortages

Are We Lost · Guru

Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
Just 13% of our crude comes from the Middle East.
Most comes from Malaysia and some from Africa and PNG.

We could not survive very long on crude imports alone because our refinery capacity is so low. The vast majority of our fuel is imported and the vast majority of that came as crude through Hormuz to the Asian refineries we import from.

Peter_n_Margaret · Guru

Wrong. You are not listening.
I quoted the sources of the crude that our fuel is made from by the refineries that produce our fuel.
13% from the Middle East, 21% from Africa, most from Malaysia.
Cheers,
Peter

Are We Lost · Guru

I was listening. You said "our crude". And yes, for that I believe we do import the majority from Malaysia.

But to address what you actually meant, based on your next post, I would be interested to see where you got those figures from. They are very different from my understanding. So I just posed the question to AI.

"List Australia's main suppliers of refined fuel imports in order and show how much of those suppliers' crude came through Hormuz. Use figures from 2024 or 2025 to predate the current oil crisis."

Country	Fuel Imports (USD billion)	% of Their Crude via Hormuz
South Korea	$9.18B	~71%
Singapore	$6.44B	~50%
Malaysia	$4.18B	~40%
India	$3.16B	~45%
Taiwan (Chinese Taipei)	$2.61B	~70%

As I know AI accuracy is often not great I just treat the figures as a guide but they look reasonable to me. Not sure why the focus on this anyway.

Ineedabiggerboat · Guru

Anyone who is allergic to facts word salad move on. According to Grok Australias main suppliers of refined fuel (petroleum product) imports, based on the most recent detailed data (primarily 2024 values from trade statistics, with 2025 shares aligning closely), ranked by import value/volume share are: 1. South Korea (largest supplier; ~2530% of Australias refined petroleum imports in recent years, or ~$9.18B in 2024) 2. Singapore (~2526% share; ~$6.44B in 2024) 3. Malaysia (~13% share; ~$4.18B in 2024) 4. India (~8% share; ~$3.16B in 2024) 5. Chinese Taipei (Taiwan) (~8% share; ~$2.61B in 2024) These five account for the large majority of Australias refined fuel imports (diesel, gasoline, jet fuel, etc.), which make up most of the countrys petroleum product needs given limited domestic refining. Other notable but smaller sources include China, Indonesia, and Thailand. Data comes from sources like OEC, EIA, and Australian reports; exact rankings can shift slightly year-to-year by volume vs. value or specific products (e.g., China is more prominent for jet fuel). For each supplier, the approximate share of their crude oil (feedstock for refining) that comes through the Strait of Hormuz (i.e., sourced from Persian Gulf producers like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iraq, etc., nearly all of which must transit Hormuz to reach Asia): South Korea: ~70% of crude oil imports transit via Hormuz (Middle East supplies consistently around this level in recent years). Singapore: ~30% (per multiple dependence analyses; some 2025 reports note higher reliance on Middle Eastern crude at 5070%+ due to refinery needs). Malaysia: 2530% (or up to ~69% of imports from Persian Gulf per some ASEAN analyses). India: ~42% of crude oil imports transit via Hormuz. Taiwan: ~60% of crude oil imports transit via Hormuz. These percentages reflect each countrys overall crude import dependence on Persian Gulf sources (the primary route for which is the Strait of Hormuz). Singapore and Malaysia are major refining hubs with no/limited domestic crude, so their figures directly tie to imported feedstock. South Korea, India, and Taiwan are heavy net importers. Note that exact figures can vary slightly by year, data source (e.g., Middle East vs. strict Persian Gulf), and whether domestic production is factored in, but the numbers above are from consistent recent analyses of Hormuz vulnerability. Disruptions in the Strait would significantly impact these suppliers ability to produce and export refined fuels to Australia.

rmoor · Guru

We don't need this thread to be shut down, it is too important a topic that affects everybody's daily life.

Traveling Grey Nomads in particular.

Things seemed to settle down a bit today on the world stage, but the situation will remain fluid for some time no doubt.
Sometimes good comes out of bad.

Maybe the opening of a big new Australian oilfield and more refining capacity will be a win/win.
Once the increased prices start to hit in the supermarkets, it may well be a HUGE wake up call to all of us.

In particular, those with the shiny pants in Canberra.
They are probably on thin ice at present (on all sides) and need to make some value judgement decisions or we could see massive revolt and swift change.

Be interesting to see how the whole mess pans out.

Are We Lost · Guru

Ineeda, apart from a bit of punctuation to make it readable, I suggest a bit of desk checking. For example:

1. South Korea (largest supplier; ~2530% of Australias refined petroleum imports in recent years

Without reading it all, it seems the figures are identical to mine, with the same order of countries. Mine did not come from Grok. They came from ChatGPT, a competitor. Somewhat surprising that the figures are identical.

-- Edited by Are We Lost on Wednesday 8th of April 2026 08:38:29 PM

Ineedabiggerboat · Guru

AWL its the forum that mangles punctuation and some numbers. The copied text is perfect and accurate. The website is at fault. Glad that we are in agreement. Both AI agents scan the same published data so that makes sense. I started with ChatGPT, then tried Grok as I found ChatGPT suffers from MAD more. Also I to some extent trust Elon but Sam is evil.

DMaxer · Guru

Dont waste your time trying to explain anything to those two Peter.

Ineedabiggerboat · Guru

Wow, now even giving instructions to other members.

Stevejaz · Veteran Member

WOW
Just looked back in here to see how things were developing. Kind of sorry I did now. Pity

Tony Bev · Guru

Just as a bit of a heads up

For those travelling in WA

We can find out the none-availability, of fuels by going on the below website

https://www.fuelwatch.wa.gov.au/

Not sure if other states do the same

it appears to me that today, the diesel price in WA seems to be stabilising

Not sure what the future availability/price will be, but I do know that I will certainly be thinking twice about my next trip

I feel that if things get worse, and rationing comes in, the farmers should have first dibs on the fuel

DMaxer · Guru

Good news on the fuel. It seems that we now have more fuel in storage than we did before Einstein started his war. We are now secure until at least the end of May.with assurances from our neighbours that as long as they get it, so will we. Our government has done well.

Ineedabiggerboat · Guru

A days worth of petrol doesnt mean a summer.

Ineedabiggerboat · Guru

Yeah he shouldnt have bombed Irans nuclear facilities. He should have just turned the other way when the Iranian national guard murdered 35,000 citizens for protesting. He should have ignored Iran funding hezbollah, the houthis and hamas. Yep Dminus, youre right.

rmoor · Guru

I don't get all these fuel prices.

At Harden yesterday at the servo I fuel up at on the way to vets golf, diesel was $2.56.
Yet on the way home over a few hours I saw $2.96, $3.25 etc at other towns and locations???

I don't get it???
We hear all this hot air about the ACCC and Dept Fair Trading "investigating" but rarely get any results?
Someone, somewhere is getting under all of us - bigtime.

We are all mere prawns in a very big dirty sea.

On the Iran bit, they needed to be pulled into line.
It is fairly obvious by their responses in recent weeks they are governed (or ruled) by a team of wombats.
One must consider, nuclear weapons in the hands of such despots would be dangerous for all.

We are a long way away from them, but that doesn't rule out any of our capital cities ever attracting a big one to wipe us out one day.
Mind you, if they dropped one, Western Sydney would be a good place to start.
Western Sydney is the flagship in our immigration policies of recent years.
The two major crime groups there seem to have gone from their weekend fire-bombing and drive by shootings to nearly every day now......

A great advertisement for our immigration policies.
We seem to be importing all the real mad ones?
They are not the Smith gang, or the Jones gang.
Why can't we go back to just importing whinging pommies, at least they play cricket (albeit, not very well).

Magnarc · Guru

Brits in Malaya, stuff up.

Yanks in Vietnam, stuff up.

Russkies in Afghanistan, stuff up.

French in Vietnam, stuff up.

Yanks in Afghanistan, stuff up.

Why didn't one of the sycophants tell the great man that there was an area called the Straits of Hormuz??????.

Total stuff up!

DMaxer · Guru

Thank you for your kind and knowledgeable words, Ineedabiggabrain. If I might offer a suggestion, instead of continually displaying your ignorance, why don't you spend a little time on reading up on history.

Perhaps a good starting point is 1953 when the CIA and MI6 orchestrated the removal of Prime Minister Mosaddegh in Iran. He was about to nationalise the oil which upset the USA and British. He was rolled and the Shah was installed who just happened to love the overseas oil companies. Remember, it was the Iranian people who removed the Shah and installed a theocracy as they were sick of him selling them out.

I would love to know how they have bombed nuclear facilities. We were told that was supposedly done nine months ago when they had their last war. No one has found them except you. By the way, bombing infrastructure like bridges, schools and power plants is a war crime. Have a look at the Geneva Convention.

When you finish your research, have a look at the decisions of the judges at Nuremberg. A tribunal set up and sponsored by the USA. They had people executed for war crimes. They established in law that the only legal way that one country can attack another is

1.You have been attacked

2. The country has asked you to invade and attack them or

3. A UN resolution has been passed unanimously to carry out the attack. Anything else is a war crime. That is international law to which the USA is a signatory. Look it up.

If your head is still functioning, have a look at the Geneva convention. Perhaps then, have a look at the Non Proliferation Treaties that Iran is a signatory. Israel has refused to sign.

No country has the legal right to invade another country because they don't like their politics or want their oil.

What happened in Iran with the protesters is hideous. What has happened in Gaza, the West Bank, Golan Heights and Southern Lebanon is even worse. Remember, none of these militant groups like Hezbollah in Lebanon or Hamas in Gaza existed before those areas were attacked by Israel back in the 1960s. ISIS never existed before Iraq was attacked in 2003. Have a little read about the goals of Zionism, taking the land from the Nile to the Euphrates rivers as part of the covenant.

Perhaps if you disagree you could point me to what international law or convention gives legality to this war. You won't, because there are none.

Perhaps law only applies when it is in our favour or interests in your view.

-- Edited by DMaxer on Monday 20th of April 2026 11:07:00 AM

-- Edited by DMaxer on Monday 20th of April 2026 11:07:20 AM

-- Edited by DMaxer on Monday 20th of April 2026 11:08:12 AM

Ineedabiggerboat · Guru

Yeah youre right. Just let Iran do whatever it likes. Direct Iranian Missile/Drones Launches (from Iranian soil) These are cases where Iran itself fired the weapons: Israel Multiple large-scale direct attacks: April 2024: Over 300 projectiles (drones, cruise, and ballistic missiles). October 2024: ~180 ballistic missiles. 2026 (during the Iran war): Hundreds of ballistic missiles and drones fired in numerous waves, with reports of strikes causing civilian casualties and damage in areas like Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Haifa, and Beit Shemesh. Iraq Direct strikes on targets in Iraqi Kurdistan (e.g., 2024 strikes claimed against opposition groups; additional incidents in 2026). Syria Direct missile strikes on anti-Iran or opposition targets (e.g., 2024 strikes). Pakistan 2024: Ballistic missile strikes targeting alleged militant bases (Jaish al-Adl) in Pakistans Balochistan region. Gulf Arab states and others (mainly 2026 Iran war retaliation against US/Israeli strikes): United Arab Emirates (UAE): Hundreds of ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, and drones; damage to energy facilities, airports, and infrastructure (e.g., Habshan gas complex, Fujairah port, Dubai areas); some civilian casualties reported. Kuwait: Dozens to hundreds of missiles and drones; hits on refineries, desalination plants, and US-linked sites. Bahrain: Missiles and drones targeting US Navy 5th Fleet headquarters and other sites in Manama; some damage and casualties. Qatar: Missiles aimed at Al Udeid Air Base (major US facility) and energy sites; interceptions common but some impacts. Saudi Arabia: Strikes on air bases (e.g., Prince Sultan), oil facilities, and refineries; injured US troops in some incidents. Jordan: Missiles intercepted over Jordanian territory; debris reported. Oman: Drone/missile incidents near ports or shipping. Cyprus (Akrotiri and Dhekelia, UK sovereign bases): Missiles fired toward British bases (some reports of two missiles in 2026); largely intercepted or missed. Azerbaijan: Limited drone strikes reported (e.g., on Nakhchivan airport). Turkey: Minor incidents or overflights/debris reported in some accounts. This list doesnt include missiles launched by their proxies.

PeterInSa · Guru

My take of the above. But Dmaxer does make some good points.

Yeah youre right. Just let Iran do whatever it likes. Direct Iranian Missile/Drones Launches (from Iranian soil) These are cases where Iran itself fired the weapons: Israel Multiple large-scale direct attacks: April 2024: Over 300 projectiles (drones, cruise, and ballistic missiles). October 2024: ~180 ballistic missiles. 2026 (during the Iran war): Hundreds of ballistic missiles and drones fired in numerous waves, with reports of strikes causing civilian casualties and damage in areas like Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Haifa, and Beit Shemesh.

Iraq Direct strikes on targets in Iraqi Kurdistan (e.g., 2024 strikes claimed against opposition groups; additional incidents in 2026).

Pakistan 2024: Ballistic missile strikes targeting alleged militant bases (Jaish al-Adl) in Pakistans Balochistan region.

Gulf Arab states and others (mainly 2026 Iran war retaliation against US/Israeli strikes): United Arab Emirates (UAE): Hundreds of ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, and drones; damage to energy facilities, airports, and infrastructure (e.g., Habshan gas complex, Fujairah port, Dubai areas); some civilian casualties reported.

Kuwait: Dozens to hundreds of missiles and drones; hits on refineries, desalination plants, and US-linked sites.

Bahrain: Missiles and drones targeting US Navy 5th Fleet headquarters and other sites in Manama; some damage and casualties.

Qatar: Missiles aimed at Al Udeid Air Base (major US facility) and energy sites; interceptions common but some impacts.

Saudi Arabia: Strikes on air bases (e.g., Prince Sultan), oil facilities, and refineries; injured US troops in some incidents. Jordan: Missiles intercepted over Jordanian territory; debris reported.

Oman: Drone/missile incidents near ports or shipping. Cyprus (Akrotiri and Dhekelia, UK sovereign bases): Missiles fired toward British bases (some reports of two missiles in 2026); largely intercepted or missed.

Azerbaijan: Limited drone strikes reported (e.g., on Nakhchivan airport).

Turkey: Minor incidents or overflights/debris reported in some accounts.

This list doesnt include missiles launched by their proxies.

BBN2 · Veteran Member

There is no such thing as international law - that is a fantasy far Left followers use when attempting to justify their attacks on the West.

DMaxer · Guru

No such thing as international law? Ever heard of the United Nations BBN? Ever heard of The International Criminal Court in The Hague. There are over 120 countries including Australia as signatories.

There is a warrant out for Netanyahus arrest, issued from this court, for alleged war crimes in Gaza. The USA is the only country he can visit without being arrested. His trial for corruption in Tel Aviv is presently halted because of the war. Convenient eh?

I don't support Iran in the slightest but this attack is not about them being a threat, it is Israel's expansion and oil.

Really, if Iran wanted a nuclear warhead they could obtain one or more from North Korea, Pakistan, Russia or China.

Netanyahu tried this on with Bush, Obama and Biden and they all refused. I bet he couldn't believe his luck when big Donnie came on the scene. He owns him.

-- Edited by DMaxer on Monday 20th of April 2026 02:34:07 PM

Brodie Allen · Guru

BBN2 wrote:
There is no such thing as international law - that is a fantasy far Left followers use when attempting to justify their attacks on the West.

Agree. the UN is a powder puff. When was the last time they intervened in a significant way?

Where are they in this dispute?

Trump got them right.

And by-the-way - we have our own problems here. How long before we have a situation like in the Rule Britannia place?

'them" everywhere - 7 kids/family to our 1.7 !!!

B

Ineedabiggerboat · Guru

None of those countries would be stupid enough to give Iran a nuke. Russia gave Cuba some a while back. That didnt end well. The UN is a spending lame duck. The Security Council (with permanent members veto power) frequently deadlocks on high-stakes issues like Ukraine, Gaza, Syria, or Sudan. Veto use by the P5 (US, Russia, China, UK, France) has blocked action on mass atrocities or aggression, eroding legitimacy and trust. This structural featuredesigned to keep great powers engagedoften paralyzes decisive response, leading to calls for reform (e.g., more representation, veto restraint on genocide). Without great-power consensus, the UN cannot impose solutions on sovereign states. In short, the UN has helped contain or manage many conflicts and reduced violence in deployed areas, but it is not a global policeman and fails when major powers disagree or withhold support.

Magnarc · Guru

The Brits gave a large chunk of Palestine to the Jews in 1948. This done without consultation with neighbouring countries. They did so because they could, Palestine was a British 'protectorate'. Acts of this nature are a recipe for disaster and no one should be surprised when the likes of Hamas and Hezbollah appear.

The Israeli constitution allows any Jews anwhere, to live in Israel. The influx since 1948 has been enormous and you don't have to be an Einstein to know what they have done to fix the problem. First was the annexing of the Golan Heights. The pretext for this was a supposed attack from Syria.

Since then there has been a continuing gradual takeover of Palestinian land to accomodate the growing number of settlers. It appears to me that the advance by the IDF into Lebanon has a twofold aim, one is to crush Hezbollah and the other?, yep more territory. Time will prove that right or wrong.The actions of the likes of Hezbollah and Hamas are deplorable and I condemn them, but I can understand why they came into being.

Putin thought that an invasion of Ukraine would take a few weeks. The Donald figured that Iran would be easy. Some people have never learned anything from History, maybe they think that it does not apply to them?

Footnote.

On the 22nd July, 1946 the King David hotel in Jerusalem was bombed by the militant terrorist Zionist organisation, Irgun which resulted in the deaths of 91 people and 46 injured. The hotel housed, among others,the offices of the British armed forces in Palestine.

Ineedabiggerboat · Guru

Thats an ill informed simplification of a snapshot of a point in time, ignoring 2000 years of history, particularly the previous ten. Dont forget Matilda.

Magnarc · Guru

Facts are facts. How do you 'ill inform' a fact? It is what it is Boatie. 2000 yrs of History and we haven't learned a thing.

Apologies to the original poster for going off topic, but there are times when different points of view need to expressed, when one sees an excessive amount of bovine excrement in a topic, is one of those occasions.

Although I have not agreed with DMaxer in the past, his latest posts make a lot more sense than your replies.

-- Edited by Magnarc on Tuesday 21st of April 2026 11:32:11 AM

Are We Lost · Guru

Magnarc wrote:
The Brits gave a large chunk of Palestine to the Jews in 1948. This done without consultation with neighbouring countries. They did so because they could, Palestine was a British 'protectorate'. Acts of this nature are a recipe for disaster and no one should be surprised when the likes of Hamas and Hezbollah appear.

As you said in a subsequent post, "facts are facts" and what you have posted there are not facts. So much misinformation.

It was actually the UN that formalised the creation of separate states in 1948 after Britain relinquished control. So, it was actually many countries that approved of the plan that had first been proposed in the 18th century. The neigbouring countries were consulted and objected, but the UN proceeded over those objections.

Was this a just and fair decision? Too hard for us mortals to make an informed decision. Both sides claimed ancestral rights dating back many hundreds of years BC. The land has been won and lost again by different sides over that time. How do you determine which point in history to use that gives one side more rights than the other?

Brodie Allen · Guru

The jews were there over 1000 years BEFORE "their" prophet was born.

Remember the Israelites exit from Egypt?

And they never left.

How can "they" claim the land now, irrespective of British arrogance?

B

Are We Lost · Guru

In the meantime, to get back on track, the NSW Fuel Map app shows a 20c average price reduction in the last week .... currently 281.5c. In about 25 servos near me on the Central Coast only one is below that average .... by 2c.