I read that the Labour government in UK are going to introduce these cards. Just another tracking device? The general public over there are up in arms, over 3 million objections to date.
Sadly I fear that there isn't a lot of privacy left anywhere these days . Maybe George Orwell got it right all those years ago???
Tracking, in Aust, is already going on in real time. Facial recognition in places like Bunnings, CBD crime prevention monitoring, credit card use (cross confirmed with Facial Recognition), traffic monitoring cameras, and phone records are being used to establish where persons of interest are and were. Cameras worn by Counter Terrorism officers in the crowds are all of the recent public rallies have been a great starting point for the Authorities to start files on lots of people. One bit of common AI Tech that is used is a reverse engineering technique of the Nav Apps many use to generate a route showing the track so one took from, for example, home to the rally in the Melbourne CBD. Just like the nav apps, a couple of assumed waypoints added to collected data can suggest missing parts of known location visits.
So, neighbours who reported suspicious behaviour at one house in the neighbourhood was asked to suppled Home Video of vehicles passing her house. A whole catalogue of drug suppliers, drug sellers, and customers was established soon after. Great entrainment to watch multiple armed officers, dog squad, and PolAir descend on the neighbours street.
So back to the ID question, thats for you, not those who want to track you.
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Semi-permanent state of being Recreationally Outraged as a defence against boredom during lockdown.
Tracking, in Aust, is already going on in real time. Facial recognition in places like Bunnings, CBD crime prevention monitoring, credit card use (cross confirmed with Facial Recognition), traffic monitoring cameras, and phone records are being used to establish where persons of interest are and were. Cameras worn by Counter Terrorism officers in the crowds are all of the recent public rallies have been a great starting point for the Authorities to start files on lots of people. One bit of common AI Tech that is used is a reverse engineering technique of the Nav Apps many use to generate a route showing the track so one took from, for example, home to the rally in the Melbourne CBD. Just like the nav apps, a couple of assumed waypoints added to collected data can suggest missing parts of known location visits. it is not recorded So, neighbours who reported suspicious behaviour at one house in the neighbourhood was asked to suppled Home Video of vehicles passing her house. A whole catalogue of drug suppliers, drug sellers, and customers was established soon after. Great entrainment to watch multiple armed officers, dog squad, and PolAir descend on the neighbours street.
So back to the ID question, thats for you, not those who want to track you.
So Iza, are you saying that whenever is card is presented it is not recorded somewhere?. I am referring to officialdom not baddies.
Im all for ID cards.
There is way too much crime and fraud committed and we are the ones paying for it.
Theres no such thing as privacy in this digital world. Get used to it.
Tracking, in Aust, is already going on in real time. Facial recognition in places like Bunnings, ....
Bunnings (Kmart and a few others) facial recognition was deemed illegal and no longer do it. Although they are currently trying to get the Privacy laws changed so they can reintroduce it.
But right now, I'd be more concerned about the implications of potentially having to prove that you're over 18 to access a website. Not surprisingly, the government hasn't come out with a lot of directives for the companies on how (or how not ) to satisfactorily achieve that but they have come out with some very specific and expensive fines if they don't.
Bunnings (Kmart and a few others) facial recognition was deemed illegal and no longer do it. Although they are currently trying to get the Privacy laws changed so they can reintroduce it.
The Commissiones determination (Released Sep 2025) apparently found that it is the collection of Biometric data that is likely to be a breach of Privacy laws. Bunnings, and others, are seeking clarification of the lines in regards to using FRT matching for reducing Fraud and advertising companies are seeking clarification on when they can buy collected Biometric data. Bunnings, and others like K Mart, have paused collection and cataloguing of Biometric data of individuals who enter their stores. Several sporting stadiums in Australia are continuing to collect Biometric data.
One clarification that is being asked for is the difference between existing security camera installations and product and the collection of Biometric data and cataloguing of that data. BTW, passport and drivers license photos are stored as FRT compatible data sets.
Another one, Police are using FRT like matching techniques over stored business security camera video, with a warrant, to check the alibi supplied by people they suspect were naughty at a particular time.
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Iza
Semi-permanent state of being Recreationally Outraged as a defence against boredom during lockdown.
I read that the Labour government in UK are going to introduce these cards. Just another tracking device? The general public over there are up in arms, over 3 million objections to date.
Sadly I fear that there isn't a lot of privacy left anywhere these days . Maybe George Orwell got it right all those years ago???
It's not an identity card - not a physical one anyway (those are called a drivers licence). It's a digital ID which is an app on mobile phones and it's intent seems to be to curb illegal workers. If anyone in the UK is particularly paranoid they could get a second phone for the app and only use that phone when applying fo a job.
Australia already has a digital ID app although it's not mandatory and it's for different purposes.
I have serious doubts as to whether governments have the resources or the desire to track where each person goes, although there is a limited capacity to do this already simply by using a mobile phone number. Of course every time you use a credit card, make a phone call, drive on a toll road etc, you are leaving a digital trail. If you're not intending to break the law, I suspect the only organisations which are really interested in tracking you are going to be for the purposes of marketing /advertising.
I think the main concern would be data breaches by hackers. There are a vast number of private organisations (think banks, medical providers, insurance companies etc) which use digital records, and data breaches are not uncommon. Government databases are generally more secure than most others.
I did read that there's some alternative in place for those people who don't use a smart phone. You don't need to worry about it unless you live and work in the UK.
