BasilB wrote:

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hi yobarr, now where did that 30KG (294N) come from?

in your own words

cheers 

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 Sorry Bas, I spent a long time compiling a detailed response, but promptly deleted it. However, like Tony, I have tired of presenting information to those who appear to not be interested in actually learning, preferring to  "Rock the Boat".

Over the last 5 years I have many times explained the procedure to show what effect a WDH has when it is tensioned, so you might like to use the "Search" facility in search of your answer. Good luck. Cheers

Gundog wrote:

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Again in my case I need to measure the front and rear axle heights before hooking up, upon hooking up measuring again the T&R axle heights and the height of the chassis at the F&R of the van. As I'm using a WDH I will engage the bars to lift the rear of the ute to get the front axle back to its pre-measured height.

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Hmmm. This makes no sense, to me anyway. Would this not require 100% weight return, at least, to the car's front  axle?   Given that the towball weight increases the total weight of the car, and is leveraged behind the rear axle, in order to get the front back to its original height you'd have to wind the WDH right up. Interesting assertion. Better to buy a better car, me thinks. Cheers

hi yobarr, Tony found the elephant in the room, we should thank him.

now if you don't know just say so, it's only a forum.

where did that 30KG (294N) come from?

in your own words

cheers

see? that didn't hurt much

cheers

yobarr wrote:

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Maaaaate! 10/10.  That video should be compulsory viewing, with an exam to follow,  for ALL caravanners, 

 

The video confirms  everything that I have persisted in posting over the years in my efforts to help people, d

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So does that include where he suggests a Jeep can tow 3500kg? It just needs attention to axle loads and you may run out of payload. I wonder what words you would use if a forum member on here proposed to tow 3500kg with a Jeep.

This video is from a self confessed non expert on WDH. He said he has never driven with one. Yet when he ignores the fundamentals that the tow vehicle should be heavier than the van you still think he has given good advice? All through the video he is only talking about being legal with weights, but makes no comment on the safety or handling. Just like an accountant who only cares that columns balance, not what the figures mean.

Some expert.

Its getting to me

Are We Lost wrote:

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yobarr wrote:

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Maaaaate! 10/10.  That video should be compulsory viewing, with an exam to follow,  for ALL caravanners, 

 

The video confirms everything that I have persisted in posting over the years in my efforts to help people, d

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So does that include where he suggests a Jeep can tow 3500kg? It just needs attention to axle loads and you may run out of payload. I wonder what words you would use if a forum member on here proposed to tow 3500kg with a Jeep.

This video is from a self confessed non expert on WDH. He said he has never driven with one. Yet when he ignores the fundamentals that the tow vehicle should be heavier than the van you still think he has given good advice? All through the video he is only talking about being legal with weights, but makes no comment on the safety or handling. Just like an accountant who only cares that columns balance, not what the figures mean.

Some expert.

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Once again, Steve, you seem to have taken the  "Bull by the Horns", so to speak.

Nowhere have I condoned the stupidity of using a Jeep to tow 3500kg.

What I did say is "confirms everything that I have persisted in posting over the years ".

This does not mean, and NEVER did I say, "I agree with everything he says".  Surely you understand the difference?

Please note that "He confirms (agrees with) everything I have said"  does NOT,  in any way, mean the same as  "I agree with everything he has said". Got it?

Make no mistake, there is some bad advice in the video but can you imagine the uproar if he stated on an freely available internet video  that "This Jeep can't tow 3500kg" when it has been given a (perhaps unwarranted?) legal tow rating of 3500kg?

The missing operative word is safely as although this car is rated to tow 3500kg it can NEVER safely do so if the trailer is a PIG trailer. The manufacturers "Out" always is that their car can indeed tow 3500kg, but only as a DOG trailer.

Make no mistake. Ignorance is some peoples' biggest asset, as evidenced by the stubborness of some to accept simple truths, such as the stupidity of trying to safely tow a 3500kg van with any of the popular twin-cab utes, or an LC200, among others. 

We all know that , if safety is of ANY concern, ALWAYS the car should have at least 10% more weight on its wheels than is on the wheels of the van it is towing, but this was not covered in the video.

I iterate "He agrees with everything I have said" does NOT in any way mean "I agree with everything he has said".

Thankyou for kindly pointing out what you perceived to be an error in my original post, but again you were mistaken. Cheers

BasilB wrote:

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hi Tony, if you don't know just say so,

now where did that 30KG (294N) come from?

in your own words

cheers

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 Grow up mate. As I see it there is not a facility to "ignore a member". That being to not receive any posts that members prints. So, on notice I wont tolerate stupid tit for tat remarks from a schoolyard mentality. I'm not here for that rubbish. I recommend others do the same.

Now back to this amusing and interesting thread.

Tony

-- Edited by Eaglemax on Tuesday 24th of October 2023 02:30:59 PM

shakey55 wrote:

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Its getting to me

 

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 You want help to exit? Or contribute meaningfully?

Tony

Eaglemax wrote:

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 Grow up mate. As I see it there is not a facility to "ignore a member". That being to not receive any posts that members prints. So, on notice I wont tolerate stupid tit for tat remarks from a schoolyard mentality. I'm not here for that rubbish. I recommend others do the same.

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 Hi Tony. There once was a member, since deleted/banned, who consistently posted what I regarded as faecal material so after some attempts at meaningful dialogue I simply ceased communicating with him. Job done! Cheers

BasilB wrote:

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hi Tony,

this thread is a great opportunity to chat about the dreaded WDH,

they are not a great unknowable mystery.

if you don't know just say so, pretty simple really.

now where did that 30KG (294N) come from?

cheers

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Using and understanding the effects of a WDH certainly is not a "great unknowable mystery" but it certainly is a great unknowable mystery to me why some members continue to bleat, moan and flatly refuse to accept facts. C'est la vie!

Seems that ignorance is their biggest asset, and they intend to fiercely protect it. 

Any mirrors at your house? Cheers

BasilB wrote:

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hi yobarr,

when you post ignorance as facts you're just misleading the good members.

cheers

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 How can I possibly dispute that comment as you appear to be a person with intimate knowledge of ignorance.

When it comes to weights never have I written anything that I cannot prove  to be true. 

My early days as a member of our great forum were spent showing a few old boys who had been "Towing for years Mate, my twin-cab tows my 3500kg van Mate, no worries Mate" that their "achievement" was more a result of good luck than of good management, and that there was NO WAY that they were towing legally.  

This quickly got a few offside, but people soon began to realise that, with weights, I know what I'm talking about, so instead of risking input from other well meaning, but mistaken members, these members felt more comfortable sending me PMs. 

To that end I have helped many, even travelling to visit them at their homes.

I note that you have been a member for 5 years, and had made very few posts until  recently? 

Since then you've posted rubbish a few times, but still made no contribution of any value! 

You've posted the same couple of lines several times. Boring. 

Can we anticipate any intelligent posts from you? Cheers

Yobarr 

If you have never printed anything that is not true explain to me how the weight of the tow vehicle becomes less and the caravan heavier with the use of a WDH. 

In saying this you are saying Newtons laws of gravitation and his laws of motion are wrong. They state quite implicitly that these weight changes are not possible.

Google his law of universal gravitation and if you can follow it it will prove the the weight that the car applies to the weigh bridge is fixed by its mass and gravity and cannot change.

If after this you still think I am wrong then please give us your most learned new theory of gravitation. NASA may be interested as Newtons seems to have worked very well for them.

Alan

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Instead of continually presenting your own convoluted theories that are at odds with all material presented by WDH manufacturers and engineers, could I respectfully suggest that you instead approach these people directly to explain to them the error of their ways?

 

All my advice is offered in the simplest of terms in an effort to assist learners in understanding weights and the effects of using the much over-rated WDH, but you seem more intent on causing as much confusion as you can, for no good reason. Very sad.

-- Edited by yobarr on Tuesday 24th of October 2023 10:29:50 PM

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 Please explain how you are such an expert about weight distribution hitches in a country of 26 million people, where in a country 335 million people who use WDH's with towball weight from 600lbs to 1600lbs that manufactures and engineers who design and build them can be so wrong ?

The absolute gaul of you setting yourself as an authority on the subject, that could actually cause someone to have a serious accident by not using one if required.

This simplified answer how a weight distibution hitch works.

Rather than the weight being centered on the point where the trailer and vehicle connect, the weight distribution hitch distributes the weight across the axels of the vehicle and trailer.