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Towing weights


I was keeping away from the forum for a while due to continued rubbish from the resident Xspurt. Like you Clarky I wouldn't listen to the resident Xspurts/s either. I would ask a Qualified Engineer or those that are qualified.

Sadly, the real problem maker is still here.



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Dougwe wrote:

I was keeping away from the forum for a while due to continued rubbish from the resident Xspurt. Like you Clarky I wouldn't listen to the resident Xspurts/s either. I would ask a Qualified Engineer or those that are qualified.

Sadly, the real problem maker is still here.



Keep Safe out there.


 Yep, agree 100%

And there is certainly no point posting an opposing view to the local Xspurt. It just gets deleted. Especially when it's true.



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BarneyBDB wrote:

That is not an un biased assessment, they always recommend paying for one of their products.


 Hi Barney. Great to see that at least one member understands how these "experts" work. Because it is not what they may want to hear it is unlikely that those who really need to read and absorb the information (facts) that I regularly supply will do so, but I will peresevere. As you rightly point out, these "assessments" by weights and suspension companies are often nothing more than an exercise designed to deceive gullible owners about the alleged inadequacies of their setups, and to convince them that a miracle cure is at hand. The post by Murray ( Long weekend) is an example, and aligns with my various experiences. Obviously I am not going to supply any company names, but over a period of some years I have attended the premises of some of the more well-known springs and GVM upgrade suppliers, seeking "help" with my weights. Invariably these "experts", who really are nothing more than salesmen, have rattled off a list of figures, using all the correct technical terms that seem to confuse so many. After I have sat them down in their office and explained the physics involved they then run away and get more "experts" to attend. Safety in numbers, but NEVER have I failed to get these people eventually to admit that I was right. Whether they actually believed their representations, or were simply being devious I do not know, but being the eternal optimist that I am I would like to think that they had only good intentions, no matter how wrong they were. Weights and dynamics are no more than simple physics, easily understood by anybody who takes the time to learn, instead of forever arguing with those of us on the forum who DO know what we're talking about. "There is none so blind as he who will not see", and I can assure all that there is absolutely no need for an Engineering degree. Just a brain. People employed by these companies certainly are not going to "bite the hand that feeds them", similar to the situation where motoring writers are "invited" to review vehicles supplied by the very same companies that advertise in their publications. Unbiased? Yeah, right. Talking of motor vehicles, I also have visited several different motor vehicle suppliers to query the claimed towing abilities of their product. After listening to their spiel I have then provided figures and shown them the true calculations. Invariably they have backed down and admitted that their cars cannot EVER tow the claimed weight as a PIG trailer (caravan) assuming the generally accepted 10% towball weight. Assuming the generally accepted 10% towball weight, the car that is claimed to "Eat utes for breakfast" can never tow the claimed 4500kg as a PIG trailer, with the maximum being little more than 3000kg. Always the "OUT" is that the vehicle can tow a 4500kg DOG trailer. Perhaps "Truth in advertising" is needed here? Then there is another popular vehicle owned, driven and seemingly idolised (?) by many forum members, that has NO chance of safely towing, under normal caravanning conditions and 10% towball weight, the claimed 3500kg as a PIG trailer. Whilst many may find the facts I post to be unpalatable, they are simply the facts, and indesputable. To post otherwise, or to embellish the truth in an effort to please others, surely would be unconscionable?  Just don't shoot the messenger. Cheers.

P.S When a member asks a question they surely deserve to be given the correct answer, which may well vary from what they WANT to hear?

 

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goodness me a man of so many talents' giving advise to spring makers and people in caravan parks harvesting crops on cattle stations it just gives me a headache i.m thinking its time to give this forum a big miss the b/s is more than this black duck can handle

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We need a sarcasm emotion. Lol



-- Edited by oldbloke on Friday 9th of September 2022 04:43:33 PM

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boab wrote:

goodness me a man of so many talents' giving advise to spring makers and people in caravan parks harvesting crops on cattle stations it just gives me a headache i.m thinking its time to give this forum a big miss the b/s is more than this black duck can handle


 

 

You and a few others. Not many regulars left.

 

Do you recall his IQ?  Was it 160, or 190?  Lol



-- Edited by oldbloke on Friday 9th of September 2022 04:48:39 PM

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oldbloke wrote:

      
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We need a sarcasm emotion. Lol



-- Edited by oldbloke on Friday 9th of September 2022 04:43:33 PM


 
excuse me OB, that is an insult to all super hero's. I will now have to have a big chat to my mate, Superman to calm him down. 



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Dougwe wrote:
oldbloke wrote:

      
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We need a sarcasm emotion. Lol



-- Edited by oldbloke on Friday 9th of September 2022 04:43:33 PM


 
excuse me OB, that is an insult to all super hero's. I will now have to have a big chat to my mate, Superman to calm him down. 


 I think you better call for the Lone Ranger and get assistance from your old friend Tonto to sort it all out.



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Stickem up.

 

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yobarr wrote:
BarneyBDB wrote:

That is not an un biased assessment, they always recommend paying for one of their products.


 Hi Barney. Great to see that at least one member understands how these "experts" work. Because it is not what they may want to hear it is unlikely that those who really need to read and absorb the information (facts) that I regularly supply will do so, but I will peresevere. As you rightly point out, these "assessments" by weights and suspension companies are often nothing more than an exercise designed to deceive gullible owners about the alleged inadequacies of their setups, and to convince them that a miracle cure is at hand. The post by Murray ( Long weekend) is an example, and aligns with my various experiences. Obviously I am not going to supply any company names, but over a period of some years I have attended the premises of some of the more well-known springs and GVM upgrade suppliers, seeking "help" with my weights. Invariably these "experts", who really are nothing more than salesmen, have rattled off a list of figures, using all the correct technical terms that seem to confuse so many. After I have sat them down in their office and explained the physics involved they then run away and get more "experts" to attend. Safety in numbers, but NEVER have I failed to get these people eventually to admit that I was right. Whether they actually believed their representations, or were simply being devious I do not know, but being the eternal optimist that I am I would like to think that they had only good intentions, no matter how wrong they were. Weights and dynamics are no more than simple physics, easily understood by anybody who takes the time to learn, instead of forever arguing with those of us on the forum who DO know what we're talking about. "There is none so blind as he who will not see", and I can assure all that there is absolutely no need for an Engineering degree. Just a brain. People employed by these companies certainly are not going to "bite the hand that feeds them", similar to the situation where motoring writers are "invited" to review vehicles supplied by the very same companies that advertise in their publications. Unbiased? Yeah, right. Talking of motor vehicles, I also have visited several different motor vehicle suppliers to query the claimed towing abilities of their product. After listening to their spiel I have then provided figures and shown them the true calculations. Invariably they have backed down and admitted that their cars cannot EVER tow the claimed weight as a PIG trailer (caravan) assuming the generally accepted 10% towball weight. Assuming the generally accepted 10% towball weight, the car that is claimed to "Eat utes for breakfast" can never tow the claimed 4500kg as a PIG trailer, with the maximum being little more than 3000kg. Always the "OUT" is that the vehicle can tow a 4500kg DOG trailer. Perhaps "Truth in advertising" is needed here? Then there is another popular vehicle owned, driven and seemingly idolised (?) by many forum members, that has NO chance of safely towing, under normal caravanning conditions and 10% towball weight, the claimed 3500kg as a PIG trailer. Whilst many may find the facts I post to be unpalatable, they are simply the facts, and indesputable. To post otherwise, or to embellish the truth in an effort to please others, surely would be unconscionable?  Just don't shoot the messenger. Cheers.

P.S When a member asks a question they surely deserve to be given the correct answer, which may well vary from what they WANT to hear?

 

 



 Are you for real - I quote you - after I have sat them down in their office

Who do you think you are, you would have lasted 5 seconds in my office with that attitude.  I could say a lot more but my time is to valuable.  Im fairly new to this forum, but Ill be bypassing your comments from here on.

Have a nice day (alone Im sure)



-- Edited by yobarr on Friday 9th of September 2022 03:05:34 PM


 



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