kgarnett wrote:

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deverall11 wrote:

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Remember they are working, you are on holidays. Give them priority. 

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Working or not no-one has priority on the roads.

It is however courteous to not impede other travellers when reasonable to do so.

 

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 That to me is spot on, a big tick.

Well, it does look like an 'off road' van!

Murray

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Posting a photograph of a caravan accident and then deriding the driver and declaring him incompetent is typical of you Yobarr. For all we know he may have been run off the road by one of those idiots driving a gravel or log truck. People are not incompetent drivers just because they dont hold a truck licence.

Oops. Just deleted a double post 

-- Edited by watsea on Thursday 21st of July 2022 10:48:04 AM

A major crash involving several trucks outside of Newman in the Pilbara has forced the closure of Great Northern Highway in both directions.

Early reports suggest at least three trucks were involved in the collision, which occurred about 30km north of Newman on Saturday afternoon.
This was a few days ago most likely caused by 3 very competent road train so called operators tailgating the highway was closed for a couple of days so Yobbo not all truck drivers have an IQ of 160 and the driving ability you claim to have. But after reading a post of yours concerning cattle stations and wheat i find it difficult to take anything you write overly serious

Izabarack wrote:

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A very simple to implement measure, that, logically, would lead to fewer caravan involved crashes would be to bring in a speed limit of a max of 90 KPH for vehicles towing anything.

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It is hard to argue with that logic... don't you think?

This country has an obsession with enforcing speed laws in the name of safety so who could deny that once you stick a three ton box on the back of a small vehicle driven by someone with little or no experience that it would be sensible to limit such a vehicle's maximum speed to below that which is permitted without the three ton box?

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I have always wondered why, in Australia, a 65 ton B double is permitted to travel at the same speed as a Porsche 911?

-- Edited by Mike Harding on Thursday 21st of July 2022 02:32:08 PM

Izabarack wrote:

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If driving tests and license endorsements worked, then we would never see any trucks involved in crashes. We already have speed limits posted around the place but have ample evidence that the posted speed limits are regularly exceeded. I would like just one of those calling for mandatory towing courses and license endorsement to explain how a towing course would prevent crashes. Its a kind of Put up or Shut up question. A very simple to implement measure, that, logically, would lead to fewer caravan involved crashes would be to bring in a speed limit of a max of 90 KPH for vehicles towing anything.

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 I for one wondered the same thing, you can train anyone to pass a driving test and rules of the road, but as soon they have that bit of plastic with a picture on it, thats a licence to choose which rules apply them, not many is my observation.

I suppose when we are towing at 90-95, we get 2 to 3 in a day overtake us and disappear into the distance and out of sight in no time.

I drive the Bruce Hwy from the Whitsundays to Brissy every few months vanless, we set the cruise control to 100 and we are getting passed with cars and trucks going like the bat out of hell, even on the 110 section between the sunny coast and caboolture same thing occurs.

And then you have the good old 200 series with the block of flats sitting on 75 pissing the everyone off.

DMaxer wrote:

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The majority of people who tow vans are not inexperienced drivers.

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Inexperienced in towing a 3T box Dmaxer - do I have to spell everything out for you?

DMaxer wrote:

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That is the upper range Mike. In any event it is not difficult. If you are correctly loaded, your car is maintained and you are cognisant you are towing something then there is no issue. One would think it was akin to steering the Missouri through the Magellan Straits the way some carry on. One thing I have noticed with caravan owners is that there is not a hint of road rage, meth addiction or an attitude that they own the road. I think in the main they are a courteous, considerate and nice bunch of people who have just as much right to travel on the roads as the ten four brigade.

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 You seem to have a well-blinkered opinion of the caravanning brigade, but you are certainly right when you say that correct loading  is critical. Problem is the vast majority wouldn't recognise correct loading if it parked in front of them. Overloaded cars and vans abound as evidenced by the recent Police exercise in Queensland(?)  that found 90% of vans were overloaded. With generator boxes, bicycles, tool boxes, motorcycles, multiple jerry cans, spare wheels, kayaks, barbecues, pole storage pipes, satellite dishes and any number of other items hanging off both ends and on top of their vehicles it is little wonder they're overloaded. And "No", a WDH won't help! ( Just saying) Not a hint of road rage you say, but surely this would apply only to the caravanners themselves? Don't dare mention conger lines of cars and other vehicles lined up behind these people as they "Do the lap" at 75kph, oblivious to the mayhem they're causing all around them. As you suggest they likely are a nice bunch of people but many/most have little idea about how to safely load a caravan so that it is well balanced and can be safely towed. This is the reason that I believe that it is necessary for drivers to obtain tuition, and to be licenced after passing appropriate tests. Manouvering the caravan in a caravan park etc is of little consequence as often there are others on site to assist if necessary, but first the caravanner must get there in one piece! Unfortunately there is little chance of such a proposal ever being acceptable to caravanners because they ALL are excellent drivers. Just ask them. Cheers

P.S Did the cure-all WDH break the drawbar? Note the generator box(?) toolbox, satellite dish, toolbox and Trailamate all packed on the drawbar, all helping the WDH to break it! 

 

 

 

 

-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 21st of July 2022 06:00:45 PM

yobarr wrote:

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DMaxer wrote:

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That is the upper range Mike. In any event it is not difficult. If you are correctly loaded, your car is maintained and you are cognisant you are towing something then there is no issue. One would think it was akin to steering the Missouri through the Magellan Straits the way some carry on. One thing I have noticed with caravan owners is that there is not a hint of road rage, meth addiction or an attitude that they own the road. I think in the main they are a courteous, considerate and nice bunch of people who have just as much right to travel on the roads as the ten four brigade.

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 You seem to have a well-blinkered opinion of the caravanning brigade, but you are certainly right when you say that correct loading  is critical. Problem is the vast majority wouldn't recognise correct loading if it parked in front of them. Overloaded cars and vans abound as evidenced by the recent Police exercise in Queensland(?)  that found 90% of vans were overloaded. With generator boxes, bicycles, tool boxes, motorcycles, multiple jerry cans, spare wheels, kayaks, barbecues, pole storage pipes, satellite dishes and any number of other items hanging off both ends and on top of their vehicles it is little wonder they're overloaded. And "No", a WDH won't help! ( Just saying) Not a hint of road rage you say, but surely this would apply only to the caravanners themselves? Don't dare mention conger lines of cars and other vehicles lined up behind these people as they "Do the lap" at 75kph, oblivious to the mayhem they're causing all around them. As you suggest they likely are a nice bunch of people but many/most have little idea about how to safely load a caravan so that it is well balanced and can be safely towed. This is the reason that I believe that it is necessary for drivers to obtain tuition, and to be licenced after passing appropriate tests. Manouvering the caravan in a caravan park etc is of little consequence as often there are others on site to assist if necessary, but first the caravanner must get there in one piece! Unfortunately there is little chance of such a proposal ever being acceptable to caravanners because they ALL are excellent drivers. Just ask them. Cheers

P.S Did the cure-all WDH break the drawbar? Note the generator box(?) toolbox, satellite dish, toolbox and Trailamate all packed on the drawbar, all helping the WDH to break it! 

 

 

The Groop Doin' the Loop  - all at 85 kph  ...and 20 metres apart  ..........the biggest pain!!!    KB

 

 

 

 

-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 21st of July 2022 06:00:45 PM

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There are thousands of people towing vans and the vast majority are safe, courteous and competent drivers. Likewise, there are thousands of truck drivers and the same rationale applies to them. All you are doing is looking to find isolated incidents to highlight your own deluded self perception that you are the alpha oracle because you drive a big truck. Or do you?

deverall11 wrote:

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DMaxer wrote:

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There are thousands of people towing vans and the vast majority are safe, courteous and competent drivers. Likewise, there are thousands of truck drivers and the same rationale applies to them. All you are doing is looking to find isolated incidents to highlight your own deluded self perception that you are the alpha oracle because you drive a big truck. Or do you?

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diggerop wrote:

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Yeah, its possible to find a photo of anything on the www these days to suit any agenda.

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So very true.