Police checks on overloaded vans in each state

montie · Guru

RE: Police checks on overloaded vans in each state

yobarr · Guru

snap1946 wrote:
yobarr wrote:
Radar wrote:
Aus-Kiwi wrote:
Not that all tinnies are heavy ? But its a red flag to be checked !
How may tinnies do you need before it classed as heavy.
My thoughts only anything I can not carry in one hand for 50 metres and lift to waist high is heavy.
Eg 20 litres of water equals about 20kgs, go for run.
Quick chat with Mr Google says 10' tinnie is around 48kg, 12' is around 57kg and 14' around 61kg. That's another passenger, and that weight would be straight over the rear axle on most vehicles, so a "No No" on twin cabs and many SUVs (hate that terminology) with their lightweight rear axles. And then you've got the weight of the flash mechanism that many use to get the boat onto the roof. Cheers
yes but what about the boat loader

Radar · Guru

yobarr wrote:
snap1946 wrote:
yobarr wrote:
Radar wrote:
Aus-Kiwi wrote:
Not that all tinnies are heavy ? But its a red flag to be checked !
How may tinnies do you need before it classed as heavy.
My thoughts only anything I can not carry in one hand for 50 metres and lift to waist high is heavy.
Eg 20 litres of water equals about 20kgs, go for run.
Quick chat with Mr Google says 10' tinnie is around 48kg, 12' is around 57kg and 14' around 61kg. That's another passenger, and that weight would be straight over the rear axle on most vehicles, so a "No No" on twin cabs and many SUVs (hate that terminology) with their lightweight rear axles. And then you've got the weight of the flash mechanism that many use to get the boat onto the roof. Cheers
yes but what about the boat loader

Oh! It don't weigh much and it's bolted to the car and becomes part of the "magical" tare weight of the car. Yeh, right.

Gundog · Guru

Radar wrote:
yobarr wrote:
snap1946 wrote:
yobarr wrote:
Radar wrote:
Aus-Kiwi wrote:
Not that all tinnies are heavy ? But its a red flag to be checked !
How may tinnies do you need before it classed as heavy.
My thoughts only anything I can not carry in one hand for 50 metres and lift to waist high is heavy.
Eg 20 litres of water equals about 20kgs, go for run.
Quick chat with Mr Google says 10' tinnie is around 48kg, 12' is around 57kg and 14' around 61kg. That's another passenger, and that weight would be straight over the rear axle on most vehicles, so a "No No" on twin cabs and many SUVs (hate that terminology) with their lightweight rear axles. And then you've got the weight of the flash mechanism that many use to get the boat onto the roof. Cheers
yes but what about the boat loader

Oh! It don't weigh much and it's bolted to the car and becomes part of the "magical" tare weight of the car. Yeh, right.

Just mention the word TARE get my gander up, because it has multiple meanings !

A caravan leaving the factory has a TARE which is devoid of a few things that it needs to operate as desired

A car leaving the showroom floor has a TARE but manufactures caluculate TARE differently

A truck entering a quarry crosses the weighbridge to TARE off, then goes to the pit load up, recrosses the weighbridge to get the GROSS, the difference between Gross and Tare is the Load.

In reality the tare is not the tare it's the KERB Weight, the weight of a vehicle at a moment in time before loading.

Pertaining to us caravaners we have GVM, GCM, TARE, GTM and ATM which causes most of the confusion. Being that the tare in a caravan is fictitious as it comes off the dealer floor for delivery after all the modifications and accessories it shold be weighed and show the Kerb Weight, then that would show the purchaser exactly how much can be loaded into the van.

Bill B · Guru

yobarr wrote:

Strange coincidence Ralph, as I had a similar experience yesterday when chatting with the chap with the LC105 who said he'd already weighed it at 3600kg. GVM of LC105 is 3260kg,

What is fitted to it to increase the kerb weight by approx 1,000 kgs ?

Clarky 1 · Senior Member

Whenarewethere wrote:
TRB77 wrote:
Any knowledge of vans being weighed as overloaded.

OP hasn't been back.

Either he has had a coronary event with the subsequent posts or will have a coronary event on his travels!

Maybe his forum name is a clue.

TRB in Victoria in my early trucking days were the Transport Weights and Measures people.

It was known as the Transport Regulation Board or something similar.

yobarr · Guru

Clarky 1 wrote:
Whenarewethere wrote:
TRB77 wrote:
Any knowledge of vans being weighed as overloaded.

OP hasn't been back.

Either he has had a coronary event with the subsequent posts or will have a coronary event on his travels!
Maybe his forum name is a clue.
TRB in Victoria in my early trucking days were the Transport Weights and Measures people.
It was known as the Transport Regulation Board or something similar.

Interesting suggestion Clarky! However, he lists his name as Terrence R Bridges and he was on the forum yesterday at 6.04pm, but no further posts? Cheers

montie · Guru

He'll be back when he get's to the bitumen....old Land rover ad!

-- Edited by montie on Tuesday 5th of July 2022 07:34:33 PM

yobarr · Guru

montie wrote:
He'll be back when he get's to the bitumen....old Land rover ad!

Nice one Montie! Checked on it and found it was made in 1994. Cheers.

Radar · Guru

Clarky 1 wrote:
Whenarewethere wrote:
TRB77 wrote:
Any knowledge of vans being weighed as overloaded.

OP hasn't been back.

Either he has had a coronary event with the subsequent posts or will have a coronary event on his travels!
Maybe his forum name is a clue.
TRB in Victoria in my early trucking days were the Transport Weights and Measures people.
It was known as the Transport Regulation Board or something similar.

CRB of Victoria.

Country Roads Board 1974 had me Yak, the back road into Melbourne, those men were mean as.

So believe it is CRB.

KJB · Guru

Radar wrote:
Clarky 1 wrote:
Whenarewethere wrote:
TRB77 wrote:
Any knowledge of vans being weighed as overloaded.

OP hasn't been back.

Either he has had a coronary event with the subsequent posts or will have a coronary event on his travels!
Maybe his forum name is a clue.
TRB in Victoria in my early trucking days were the Transport Weights and Measures people.
It was known as the Transport Regulation Board or something similar.
CRB of Victoria.
Country Roads Board 1974 had me Yak, the back road into Melbourne, those men were mean as.
So believe it is CRB.

CRB (Country Roads Board ) built and maintained the Highways - TRB (Transport Regulation Board ) enforced the Transport Regulations....... KB

Whenarewethere · Guru

Maybe simply The Rusty Bucket at 77

Clarky 1 · Senior Member

Radar wrote:
Clarky 1 wrote:
Whenarewethere wrote:
TRB77 wrote:
Any knowledge of vans being weighed as overloaded.

OP hasn't been back.

Either he has had a coronary event with the subsequent posts or will have a coronary event on his travels!
Maybe his forum name is a clue.
TRB in Victoria in my early trucking days were the Transport Weights and Measures people.
It was known as the Transport Regulation Board or something similar.
CRB of Victoria.
Country Roads Board 1974 had me Yak, the back road into Melbourne, those men were mean as.
So believe it is CRB.

Just to clarify.

The CRB could weigh a truck if they believed it was infringing road weight regulations eg; bridges and generally council roads. They did have employees who had authority to weigh.

The TRB were the real deal. They were the guys on the main roads and highways and they were fair dinkum. These fellas checked everything. Books weights and dimensions etc etc

Thank you KB

CRB (Country Roads Board ) built and maintained the Highways - TRB (Transport Regulation Board ) enforced the Transport Regulations...... KB

KJB · Guru

Clarky 1 wrote:
Radar wrote:
Clarky 1 wrote:
Whenarewethere wrote:
TRB77 wrote:
Any knowledge of vans being weighed as overloaded.

OP hasn't been back.

Either he has had a coronary event with the subsequent posts or will have a coronary event on his travels!
Maybe his forum name is a clue.
TRB in Victoria in my early trucking days were the Transport Weights and Measures people.
It was known as the Transport Regulation Board or something similar.
CRB of Victoria.
Country Roads Board 1974 had me Yak, the back road into Melbourne, those men were mean as.
So believe it is CRB.

Just to clarify.
The CRB could weigh a truck if they believed it was infringing road weight regulations eg; bridges and generally council roads. They did have employees who had authority to weigh.
The TRB were the real deal. They were the guys on the main roads and highways and they were fair dinkum. These fellas checked everything. Books weights and dimensions etc etc
Thank you KB
CRB (Country Roads Board ) built and maintained the Highways - TRB (Transport Regulation Board ) enforced the Transport Regulations...... KB

No worries , all good...........I had 'dealings" with "Representitives" of both "Boards" over the years back then....... KB

Gary and Barb · Senior Member

86GTS wrote:
People are very sensitive about discussing weights mainly because many of them know that they're over & refuse to do anything about it.

Guilty!

Ivan 01 · Guru

Gary and Barb wrote:
86GTS wrote:
People are very sensitive about discussing weights mainly because many of them know that they're over & refuse to do anything about it.
Guilty!

I would guess that while they are looking at caravans you will just drive on by.

I think it will be a long time before they will be attracted to utes without caravans on the back unless your rig *looks* overloaded or heavy.

Pradokakadudavid · Senior Member

Re photo of VW towing massive van, I suspect we call this technique, HYPERBOLE, which is a deliberate exaggeration (prose or picture) not meant to be taken seriously but to emphasise a valid point through the use of humour and exaggeration.

Tragedy is that I have seen such rigs on the open roads!

Pradokakadudavid · Senior Member

Sincere apologies for my ignorance but re the confusing discussion of caravan TARE weight, do I assume that when I take delivery of a caravan, the TARE weight stamped on the caravan compliance plate is the actual unloaded caravan weight that I am towing away from the dealers?

Pradokakadudavid · Senior Member

Sincere apologies for my ignorance but re the confusing discussion of caravan TARE weight, do I assume that when I take delivery of a caravan, the TARE weight stamped on the caravan compliance plate is the actual unloaded caravan weight that I am towing away from the dealers?

yobarr · Guru

Pradokakadudavid wrote:
Sincere apologies for my ignorance but re the confusing discussion of caravan TARE weight, do I assume that when I take delivery of a caravan, the TARE weight stamped on the caravan compliance plate is the actual unloaded caravan weight that I am towing away from the dealers?

Not likely. The stamped TARE means absolutely nothing. Nothing. The ONLY way that you can determine the actual carrying capacity that you have left is to weigh the caravan, unhooked, and deduct that figure from the ATM. It would be beneficial to you if you weighed the axle group and the towball weight separately as well as together. You will be more than surprised, I am sure. My caravan has a compliance plate that says its tare is 1740kg but that only means that that was what was stamped on the plate at the factory. Nothing more. My ATM now is 3500kg. Cheers

-- Edited by yobarr on Saturday 9th of July 2022 07:13:09 PM