Mercedes or Toureg

yobarr · Guru

RE: Mercedes or Toureg

Buzz Lightbulb · Guru

You're a sophist yobarr.

Here are the gross axle weights straight from the car's manual:

I apologise for the upside down image. It's the right way up on my phone but for some reason the web interface inserts it upside down.

Note that the gross rear axle weight is 1530kg and the 180kw.

I've weighed my car fully loaded and the total rear axle comes to 1478kg. We tow a 17' Poptop, which has an en suite.

We find our van very comfortabe and it can be easily and legally towed by the Touareg. You just need to make sure that you match the ban to the vehicle.

yobarr · Guru

Buzz Lightbulb wrote:
You're a sophist yobarr.

Here are the gross axle weights straight from the car's manual:

I apologise for the upside down image. It's the right way up on my phone but for some reason the web interface inserts it upside down.
Note that the gross rear axle weight is 1530kg and the 180kw.
I've weighed my car fully loaded and the total rear axle comes to 1478kg. We tow a 17' Poptop, which has an en suite.
We find our van very comfortabe and it can be easily and legally towed by the Touareg. You just need to make sure that you match the ban to the vehicle.

Sorry that you feel that way Buzz, but the axle figures that I posted are for a 2022 Touareg and they do seem to vary from those in your manual. Perhaps yours is an earlier model, but the 60kg difference is hardly a game changer, surely? GVM remains the same, and I iterate that there is no way known that these cars can tow much more than about 2500kg ATM as a PIG trailer. However, you seem to have done your research well, and the van you tow suits the car, but you still are within 50kg of your car's rear axle capacity. And this with a van that weighs way less than the claimed 3500kg towing capacity. Spare me! Cheers

P.S In no way can what I have written be interpreted as the work of a sophist. Everything I have written can be proven to be true, and I would be most interested to learn how you believe any of it is deceptive. Hope this helps? Cheers

-- Edited by yobarr on Friday 20th of May 2022 03:19:46 PM

Buzz Lightbulb · Guru

Yobarr,

You find information on the internet and publish it without checking it. They're loads of false information on the internet. I've checked two out of the things that you've sent and both have been wrong. Hence you have a 100% false information reputation in that regard. What else have you regurgitated that is wrong?

Maybe stick to things that you've had experience with?

Dougwe · Chief one feather

Just waiting in the wings in readiness.

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-- Edited by Dougwe on Friday 20th of May 2022 04:19:38 PM

yobarr · Guru

Buzz Lightbulb wrote:
Yobarr,
You find information on the internet and publish it without checking it. They're loads of false information on the internet. I've checked two out of the things that you've sent and both have been wrong. Hence you have a 100% false information reputation in that regard. What else have you regurgitated that is wrong?
Maybe stick to things that you've had experience with?

And exactly how would you propose that I 'check' information that has been obtained from a manufacturer's website, might I ask? All details I post have come from reliable sources, and are posted in good faith in support of my assertions, in an effort to help others. Have you considered that it may be your manual that is incorrect? Lots of ado about nothing here, as we're talking about a miserable 60kg difference between my figures and yours, and this may simply be that VW changed the ratings with a new model? One passenger's weight. IMO the idea that a Touareg can safely tow a 3500kg PIG trailer is absurd, and defies all laws of physics. If you know how weight ratings are issued, you would probably understand that? Always my advice is given in an effort to assist others, and to pre-warn them against making expensive mistakes. There is no way that many of the modern cars that have 3500kg tow ratings can safely tow anything like that weight, but many buyers do not know or understand that. These are the people I try to help. To save you from any embarassment I will not bothered commenting on your use of your alleged 'statistics', Have a great day! Cheers

Buzz Lightbulb · Guru

yobarr wrote:

Buzz Lightbulb wrote:
Yobarr,
You find information on the internet and publish it without checking it. They're loads of false information on the internet. I've checked two out of the things that you've sent and both have been wrong. Hence you have a 100% false information reputation in that regard. What else have you regurgitated that is wrong?
Maybe stick to things that you've had experience with?
And exactly how would you propose that I 'check' information that has been obtained from a manufacturer's website, might I ask? All details I post have come from reliable sources, and are posted in good faith in support of my assertions, in an effort to help others. Have you considered that it may be your manual that is incorrect? Lots of ado about nothing here, as we're talking about a miserable 60kg difference between my figures and yours, and this may simply be that VW changed the ratings with a new model? One passenger's weight. IMO the idea that a Touareg can safely tow a 3500kg PIG trailer is absurd, and defies all laws of physics. If you know how weight ratings are issued, you would probably understand that? Always my advice is given in an effort to assist others, and to pre-warn them against making expensive mistakes. There is no way that many of the modern cars that have 3500kg tow ratings can safely tow anything like that weight, but many buyers do not know or understand that. These are the people I try to help. To save you from any embarassment I will not bothered commenting on your use of your alleged 'statistics', Have a great day! Cheers

I'm not saying that the Touareg can tow 3500kg van. I'm saying that it can be a tow vehicle when one considers the capabilities of the vehicle and match the van to those capabilities. Has the OP asked to tow that heavy a van? The OP asked about Touareg and Merc and I have provided inside information on the vehicle that I own. Nothing about the vehicle that I have no experience with.

Maybe the OP wants a luxury car that is very comfortable, not like some Japanese vehicles (and yes I have owned and driven many of those vehicles. Have you driven or owned a Touareg or Merc?). I offer my opinion on this topic because I do have experience with the subject...

yobarr · Guru

Dougwe wrote:

Just waiting in the wings in readiness.

Hi Doug. Just wondering why you suggest this thread should be locked? Regularly I get PMs from members thanking me for my efforts in helping them and other forum members understand weights, and indeed I have received requests, via PM, for help and advice regarding setups. Just today I received such a PM from a respected member thanking me for my "clear and unbiased advice" which he says he enjoys. Mention also is made of people who "play the man, not the ball", and that this generally is done by people with no "ball skills" of their own. "Tolerance levels" that were way past their "use by dates" were also mentioned. The silent majority seems to understand and appreciate my efforts but it seems that there is a core who do not understand simple physics and refuse to learn, or accept my advice in the spirit in which it is given. Unfortunately there is little more I can do, but Desiderata comes to mind. "Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant. They too have their story". Hope this helps you to understand my position and that always my intentions are good? Cheers

oldbloke · Guru

Dougwe wrote:

Just waiting in the wings in readiness.

-- Edited by Dougwe on Friday 20th of May 2022 04:19:38 PM

That is magic. Lol

slowboat · Member

we love our Touareg, its a 2004 V10, GVM when towing is 3160kg and GCM is 6580kg max rear axle load when towing is 1745kg
GVM, payload and axle loads increase when towing!
230kw and 750Nm it doesn't struggle towing the van.
btw it's got 279000km on the clock original engine and suspension.

Buzz Lightbulb · Guru

slowboat wrote:
we love our Touareg, its a 2004 V10, GVM when towing is 3160kg and GCM is 6580kg max rear axle load when towing is 1745kg
GVM, payload and axle loads increase when towing!
230kw and 750Nm it doesn't struggle towing the van.
btw it's got 279000km on the clock original engine and suspension.

We've found out 2016 Touareg a lovely tow vehicle and a very nice ride. There're so many features, I'm still finding them three years after purchase.

Have a nice tour.