Electric Car Price

Aus-Kiwi · Guru

RE: Electric Car Price

Peter_n_Margaret · Guru

Whoever he is , give us a CSIRO report or something, anything, with credibility.
Cheers,
Peter

yobarr · Guru

Aus-Kiwi wrote:
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
peter67 wrote:
John Cadogan did a recent vid on it.
Wow. That settles it then?
The man was born in 1930. That makes him 91 or 92? Can he even drive?
Anything more credible?
Cheers,
Peter
Hes younger than you ! I think your referring to his Dad ?

You're onto it Graeme,as John attended James Ruse High School from 1976-1981,so I'd guess that he was born in the very late 1950s or early 1960s? Born on Xmas day,too.Probably aged in his early 60s? Cheers

peter67 · Guru

Google john cadogan auto expert and look for ' zero emission vehicles '

Aus-Kiwi · Guru

Keep in mind also . The batteries on hybrid vehicle MAY last longer than EV due to better battery charging ? If they are anything like motorhome or van batteries .

Rob Driver · Guru

Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
peter67 wrote:
John Cadogan did a recent vid on it.
Wow. That settles it then?
The man was born in 1930. That makes him 91 or 92? Can he even drive?
Anything more credible?
Cheers,
Peter

Yet another thing you have wrong.

* A green washing bull****ter * is a quote of the *younger* John Cadogan in this video which could be an accurate description of some on here.

https://youtu.be/qOntMxYA29U

While we are on about being too old to have credibility just remember that half the crap that a few spruke on here about WDHs caravan and vehicle weights and the like, are the contents of several books written by a bloke who is just that very age.

The above attitude is very repetitive on this forum, with some offering advice on subjects like crossing some of Australias largest expanses of desert country, when the last time they were crossed by the author of such information was last century, and not only last century being 22 years ago, but back in the eighties which, by my calcs is forty years ago.

Back to the topic,

John Cadogan did do a recent video on the very subject. It was linked in a topic on this very forum.

It is easy to call *bull***** and the like when some dont agree but it would be more supportive of the defence of an argument or point of view to provide a hint of fact.

Rob Driver · Guru

peter67 wrote:
Google john cadogan auto expert and look for ' zero emission vehicles '

Hi peter67

Here is the link to the video you mention

I would bet that those in disbelief, denial, or just plain ignorant of the truth will not watch it anyway but here goes.

https://youtu.be/fLWOxeSIvyE

The Electric Vehicle will not save our world and if we choose to listen to all the greenies, all that will happen is that some will get rich and the majority of us, or at least our children, will be paying.

Rob Driver · Guru

Here is one for the * Green Evangilists* who think Hydrogen will save our world.

I have said it before,

When it comes to a solution to the emissions problem we may face in our current world there is always another set of problems created.

These actions to fix a perceived problem are more often than not a worse situation and result, than the original problem, and if we follow the money trail it is easy for the not so blind to see why we are being bombarded with this crap.

Anyway here is another link which explains it all.

youtu.be/qOntMxYA29U

Wanda · Guru

Or, you could just bury your head in the sand and hope it all goes away!
Ian biggrin

Rob Driver · Guru

Wanda wrote:
Or, you could just bury your head in the sand and hope it all goes away!
Ian

My aim is to offer information for support to my view on this subject.

Or, I could just open my wallet and throw my money in a bottomless pit and hope it all goes away.

See how silly this can become, biggrin

Aus-Kiwi · Guru

If you mention one little issue we have to get over like elect at night etc when maybe most these EVs will be charged ? Wheres the electricity coming from ? The coal fired are closing due to solar . But it doesnt help the supply at night ! The reason one recent coal fired generator is closing is they really need to run 24 hours to be economical! Being a private company its about money and profits ! Not about elect supply anymore !

Peter_n_Margaret · Guru

Aus-Kiwi wrote:
If you mention one little issue we have to get over like elect at night etc when maybe most these EVs will be charged ? Wheres the electricity coming from ? The coal fired are closing due to solar . But it doesnt help the supply at night ! The reason one recent coal fired generator is closing is they really need to run 24 hours to be economical! Being a private company its about money and profits ! Not about elect supply anymore !

Snowy 2 and other similar storage that exists and is being/will be built. Plus wind.

Plus hydrogen will be the fuel of choice for long range transport. That will be made from solar during the day.

Cheers,

Peter

-- Edited by Peter_n_Margaret on Sunday 20th of February 2022 10:12:39 AM

Rob Driver · Guru

Apparently our national leader is reportedly buying a really really REALLY big battery to replace that closing power station.

The only problem is that no one has written the script yet as to where this battery is coming from.

Buzz Lightbulb · Guru

Aus-Kiwi wrote:
If you mention one little issue we have to get over like elect at night etc when maybe most these EVs will be charged ? Wheres the electricity coming from ? The coal fired are closing due to solar . But it doesnt help the supply at night ! The reason one recent coal fired generator is closing is they really need to run 24 hours to be economical! Being a private company its about money and profits ! Not about elect supply anymore !

The reason why they are closing the fossil fuel electricity generators is because renewables are more cost effective.

The reason why the electricity grid is sometimes being overloaded, and therefore people who have invested in renewables have the supply cut off, is because of the lack of investment in infrastructure.

If the government took responsibility of providing for the people then we'd have decent infrastructure and electricity supply would not be a problem. We'd have pumped hydro for times when the renewables couldn't need demand and batteries for short term boosts.

The trouble is that the government is interested in is scaring the population into voting for them.

Buzz Lightbulb · Guru

We have seen all this being discussed before:

https://thegreynomads.activeboard.com/t68097448/electric-vehicles/?page=1#comment-68097448

Go to that link to see what is likely to be repeated.

It's Deja vue all over again.

I wondered how long it would take for someone to throw in some racial slurs, discrimination and insults. It was going quite amiable until ...

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-- Edited by Buzz Lightbulb on Sunday 20th of February 2022 10:44:32 AM

peter67 · Guru

Thank you for posting the links above Rob. I would expect that given all the passionate pro EV comments listed above, and by the same people here on other threads so loudly, that they would have a vested interest in watching John Cadogans vids, absorbing the information which is easily fact checked, and then commenting fairly on the facts as presented. I look forward to Peter n Margarets thoughts about that, and other keen zero emission car proponents that regularly grace these pages. Cheers

ps I'm a big fan of small EV's in big cities.

Brodie Allen · Guru

The EV snivvelers that complain about mileage tax should wonder
what they might do when the roads have fallen into such disrepair
that travelling them is a bad experience.

Albo will impose inheritance, death and gift duties to compensate.

I don't know why we worry anyway - given population increases
I can see limits on ownership of personal vehicles and detached
housing being introduced to solve the problem.

Waste of time 'till the big polluting countries are brought to heel.

Rob Driver · Guru

peter67 wrote:
Thank you for posting the links above Rob. I would expect that given all the passionate pro EV comments listed above, and by the same people here on other threads so loudly, that they would have a vested interest in watching John Cadogans vids, absorbing the information which is easily fact checked, and then commenting fairly on the facts as presented. I look forward to Peter n Margarets thoughts about that, and other keen zero emission car proponents that regularly grace these pages. Cheers

ps I'm a big fan of small EV's in big cities.

peter67 wrote:
Given it produces 50% more emissions to produce an EV relative to ICE cars you would do more good driving your mums toyota camry for the next twenty years.

Who told you that crap? smile

Cheers,

Peter

Hi peter67

Here is a perfect example of a reply that does not fit with the posters beliefs. But you have already seen that gem of a contribution.

Oh wait a minute, maybe he means his mum sold the Camry and is now shopping on a golf cart biggrin -

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Wanda · Guru

Buzz Lightbulb wrote:
We have seen all this being discussed before:

https://thegreynomads.activeboard.com/t68097448/electric-vehicles/?page=1#comment-68097448

Go to that link to see what is likely to be repeated.

It's Deja vue all over again.

I wondered how long it would take for someone to throw in some racial slurs, discrimination and insults. It was going quite amiable until ...

-- Edited by Buzz Lightbulb on Sunday 20th of February 2022 10:40:23 AM

-- Edited by Buzz Lightbulb on Sunday 20th of February 2022 10:41:10 AM

-- Edited by Buzz Lightbulb on Sunday 20th of February 2022 10:44:32 AM

Yes it was going quite well, was!

The last three posts seemed to have redirected it I feel.

Probably heading the way of the " how to fill a petrol can" post, just closed

Ian

Aus-Kiwi · Guru

It all depends how and where its batteries are being charged ? We have to a point got the cart before the horse ! Our power generation hasnt been sorted yet !! Also depends what we would call the life expectancy of vehicle? One sad part about EVs is even with low usage . The batteries still age ! Then often when replaced under warranty ? They are often as old as the car ? Or older if owning a Tesla ? I have a 30 year old car in driveway that often gets used for towing . I wander how it would go if it was an EV ? They are great but when it comes to saving money ? Long term ? I have my doubts ?

peter67 · Guru

Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
Aus-Kiwi wrote:
If you mention one little issue we have to get over like elect at night etc when maybe most these EVs will be charged ? Wheres the electricity coming from ? The coal fired are closing due to solar . But it doesnt help the supply at night ! The reason one recent coal fired generator is closing is they really need to run 24 hours to be economical! Being a private company its about money and profits ! Not about elect supply anymore !
Snowy 2 and other similar storage that exists and is being/will be built. Plus wind.
Plus hydrogen will be the fuel of choice for long range transport. That will be made from solar during the day.
Cheers,
Peter

-- Edited by Peter_n_Margaret on Sunday 20th of February 2022 10:12:39 AM

Peter please at least view the video links Rob posted for me and we can have a sensible discussion. Using currently available technology Hydrogen will NEVER be mass produced as a fuel for ICE engines, to many co2 emissions, if you view the vids it lays out all the reasons for this, that's why I asked you to watch them. A small amount of time required for such an important discussion, cheers

Aus-Kiwi · Guru

Some generation is pie in the sky stuff !! Futuristic ?? Not proven YET ! Who would build a factory these days to rely on continuous electricity ? We dont have continuous rain either !

Peter_n_Margaret · Guru

If this is indicative of what you learned from the video, I won't waste my time watching it. Show me something with some credibility.
I agree that hydrogen will never be mass produced as a fuel for ICE vehicles because it is used to power electric vehicles, not ICE vehicles.
The CO2 emmisions of production of hydrogen are wholy related to the source of the electricity to make it. Using solar there are no CO2 emmissions during manufacture or during use.
Australia is likely to be a world leading source of hydrogen. There is already a specialist ship testing transport and handling options between Australia and Japan.
Cheers,
Peter

Buzz Lightbulb · Guru

Cardigan picks and chooses his information to suite his argument.

An EV will produce 50% less emissions of the equivalent ICE vehicle over the lives of the two when and that is even greater when renewable generated electricity is used to charge an EV.

Aussie1 · Guru

Buzz Lightbulb wrote:
Cardigan picks and chooses his information to suite his argument.

Correct Cobber, Just like many members contributing on this forum

peter67 · Guru

Rob Driver wrote:
peter67 wrote:
Google john cadogan auto expert and look for ' zero emission vehicles '
Hi peter67
Here is the link to the video you mention
I would bet that those in disbelief, denial, or just plain ignorant of the truth will not watch it anyway but here goes.
https://youtu.be/fLWOxeSIvyE
The Electric Vehicle will not save our world and if we choose to listen to all the greenies, all that will happen is that some will get rich and the majority of us, or at least our children, will be paying.

Hello Rob. I thought you were being a bit melodramatic when you stated that Rob and others would probably not watch the vid. How wrong I was and now realise you were right all along. Disappointing really, I'll no longer take their comments seriously, cheers mate.

Aussie1 · Guru

peter67 wrote:
Rob Driver wrote:
peter67 wrote:
Google john cadogan auto expert and look for ' zero emission vehicles '
Hi peter67
Here is the link to the video you mention
I would bet that those in disbelief, denial, or just plain ignorant of the truth will not watch it anyway but here goes.
https://youtu.be/fLWOxeSIvyE
The Electric Vehicle will not save our world and if we choose to listen to all the greenies, all that will happen is that some will get rich and the majority of us, or at least our children, will be paying.
Hello Rob. I thought you were being a bit melodramatic when you stated that Rob and others would probably not watch the vid. How wrong I was and now realise you were right all along. Disappointing really, I'll no longer take their comments seriously, cheers mate.

Agree, credibility just went out the window. Sad some are blinded by their own ego

Buzz Lightbulb · Guru

I'm expecting a repeat of the comments previously put forward as was shown

in my previous hypertext link so I thought a feel good story would help. I just read this:

How Brisbane EV-charger company Tritium made it to the White House, selling 'picks and shovels to the gold rush'

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2022-02-20/tritium-electric-vehicle-ev-chargers-president-joe-biden/100836826

It talks about an Australian company, Tritium, that has a very big share of making fast chargers for EVs. It's great to see some Australians taking advantage of the potential changes that are coming rather than sit around complaining about how people haven't thought things through.

Joe Biden is seen with the CEO saying how the Tritium factory being built in USA will be great for the economy, environment and jobs.

It also mentions that Australia is being left behind because of the government's policies.

It's great to see young Australians taking advantage of the international opportunities. Hopefully they'll ignore the old naysayers.

Wanda · Guru

I'm taking my bat and ball and l'm going home, after I spit my dummy!

Sitting back having a good laugh at all the princeses here who can't get their own way
Now all we need is MH to drop in

Ian biggrin biggrin biggrin

Aussie1 · Guru

Wanda wrote:
I'm taking my bat and ball and l'm going home, after I spit my dummy!

Sitting back having a good laugh at all the princeses here who can't get their own way
Now all we need is MH to drop in
Ian

Ian, That's gold biggrin

And so true.