Electric Vehicles

Rob Driver · Guru

Electric Vehicles

Wanda · Guru

You do go on, whats up for xmas, Turkey !
Ian

yobarr · Guru

Rob Driver wrote:
Wanda wrote:
Rob Driver wrote:
Stolen electricity is still stolen no matter how it is absorbed by the park owner.

I doubt that many of members have actually owned and operated any business where a budget is required to achieve a profit.

Just add an extra cost to the supplier in any transaction and it is NOT JUSTIFIED by the statement that that is ok because he got a $100 dollar sale.

THAT IS NOT HOW BUSINESS ACTUALLY WORKS. I do note that many on here seem to think because they pay they are automatically entitled to unfunded extras from a supplier, be it a van park or any business which relies on calculations of profits and loss.

Theft is theft and it should never be condoned no matter what the circumstances.
Who said they were stealng it, maybe they(C/P) were aware of what the people were doing, maybe they(EV owners) asked permisssion!!
But you have decided its theft, really!!
Theft is theft, I think we all get that, maybe check your facts next time! Not possible because in this case as you were not there.
Have a good xmas
Ian
Please Wanda
and to those that have offered all the other alternatives as to how me and some others were wrong in assuming theft or to justify the act of *taking power*
Read this as quoted directly from the original post.
They were pretty proud of the fact that they had found a way of charging their vehicle for nothing and saved all that money on fuel costs.*
Really now, questioning me and my interpretation of a post clearly stating that the power was taken by deception is no reflection on me.
Your comments are bordering on stupidity based on attack of anything I may say on this forum.
I would wish you a Merry Xmas I just hope your miserable attitude allows you to enjoy the festive season.

The young couple in the EV are typical of the ME generation.Gimme,gimme,gimme. Perhaps I am getting old,but I simply can't understand how anybody can condone these people "refuelling" their vehicle with what is effectively stolen electricity.You can be sure that the caravan park owner didn't allow for $6-$8 worth of electricity to be used outside the room.Perhaps we all should ask for a few litres of diesel to power our vehicles,or our diesel heaters? Waffling on about "free" is a joke as somewhere along the line someone else is paying.Think I might go out for a Wanda among the Turkeys. Safe and Happy Xmas to all,even those who think it fair not to pay their way in life.Cheers

Wanda · Guru

Crikey, some of you old farts(I include myself in this) obviously either have a very very short memory about things you may have(probably) did years ago, if not illegal shall we say, sailed very close to the wind!! Talk about short memory....maybe dementia! confuse
How do you live with yourself, when you are so perfect, in every sense of the word!
Mr High and Mighty Rob Perfect Driver : They were pretty proud of the fact that they had found a way of charging their vehicle for nothing and saved all that money on fuel costs.*

Who decided they stole it, maybe the caravan park was aware of what they were doing, maybe they even gave permission or maybe they couldn't have given a toss!! They probably "stole" all of $10 worth of electrics, if and thats a big if, because neither of us where there

And, last time I looked this is a public forum and not yours and your other mate Yobo alone to say what you feel and NOT expect some flack back.

Get over it you two powder puffs and just realise you are NOT PERFECT, NO ONE IS, myself included

And on another note, the so called me me generation, guess where they came from you clowns, you, the PARENTS!!!

I hope you miserable old f...s have a good day

Ian.....no kids biggrin

-- Edited by Wanda on Thursday 23rd of December 2021 04:00:11 PM

yobarr · Guru

Wanda wrote:
Crikey, some of you old farts(I include myself in this) obviously either have a very very short memory about things you may have(probably) did years ago, if not illegal shall we say, sailed very close to the wind!! Talk about short memory....maybe dementia!
How do you live with yourself, when you are so perfect, in every sense of the word!
Mr High and Mighty Rob Perfect Driver : They were pretty proud of the fact that they had found a way of charging their vehicle for nothing and saved all that money on fuel costs.*
Who decided they stole it, maybe the caravan park was aware of what they were doing, maybe they even gave permission or maybe they couldn't have given a toss!! They probably "stole" all of $10 worth of electrics, if and thats a big if, because neither of us where there
And, last time I looked this is a public forum and not yours and your other mate Yobo alone to say what you feel and NOT expect some flack back.
Get over it you two powder puffs and just realise you are NOT PERFECT, NO ONE IS, myself included
And on another note, the so called me me generation, guess where they came from you clowns, you, the PARENTS!!!
I hope you miserable old f...s have a good day
Ian no kids

"Ian.no kids" We can thank the Lord for small mercies.Some people just shouldn't breed.Cheers

-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 23rd of December 2021 04:40:40 PM

Rob Driver · Guru

Wanda wrote:
Crikey, some of you old farts(I include myself in this) obviously either have a very very short memory about things you may have(probably) did years ago, if not illegal shall we say, sailed very close to the wind!! Talk about short memory....maybe dementia!
How do you live with yourself, when you are so perfect, in every sense of the word!
Mr High and Mighty Rob Perfect Driver : They were pretty proud of the fact that they had found a way of charging their vehicle for nothing and saved all that money on fuel costs.*
Who decided they stole it, maybe the caravan park was aware of what they were doing, maybe they even gave permission or maybe they couldn't have given a toss!! They probably "stole" all of $10 worth of electrics, if and thats a big if, because neither of us where there
And, last time I looked this is a public forum and not yours and your other mate Yobo alone to say what you feel and NOT expect some flack back.
Get over it you two powder puffs and just realise you are NOT PERFECT, NO ONE IS, myself included
And on another note, the so called me me generation, guess where they came from you clowns, you, the PARENTS!!!
I hope you miserable old f...s have a good day
Ian.....no kids

-- Edited by Wanda on Thursday 23rd of December 2021 04:00:11 PM

I wonder what the thoughts and comments from the Peanut Gallery would be if Wanda came out to find someone had siphoned the fuel from his vehicle just so that those who siphoned it could complete their journey cheaper than if they had to pay.

That, my Ill informed forum acquaintance, is theft.
It is exactly the same as some unknown connecting a lead to a power point at your home and charging an EV without your knowledge.

And now you want to get personal buddy, I have 5 children, all of them gainfully educated and employed and have been since they completed with secondary or tertiary schooling.

I can assure you that neither myself or any of my family have stolen anything in their lives as they were taught basic morals from when they were born.

I dont care what you think of me, but thank you for recognising that some may think I am perfect. That was your call buddy, not mine.

I see that you have stated that you dont have children because if you did manage to become a parent that term may only be used figuratively.

The ME,ME, attitude that was mentioned in a post in reply to yours, would be born into any offspring that you may produce and that old cokk, comes from every observation of your comments and rediculous input that you have typed while on this forum.

Continue your personal attack on me, I am bigger than your idiotic remarks in your posts.

You, my ill advised forum contributor can not be helped.

So Wanda,

I assume because the stolen goods are not owned by you it is OK

Tell us all your thoughts if someone stole the fuel from your car so as to make their journey cheaper.

Note this Wanda

*You dont need to criticise or ridicule me to answer that simple question.*

-- Edited by Rob Driver on Thursday 23rd of December 2021 04:49:45 PM

Wanda · Guru

Gee, do you really think I was not expecting that, your so quick Yobar confuse

Ian biggrin biggrin biggrin

Rob Driver · Guru

Wanda wrote:
Gee, do you really think I was not expecting that, your so quick Yobar
Ian

And the Peanut Gallery once again makes a valuable contribution.

-- Edited by Rob Driver on Thursday 23rd of December 2021 04:52:22 PM

-- Edited by Rob Driver on Thursday 23rd of December 2021 04:52:42 PM

Aussie1 · Guru

Ahh, the spirit of Xmas is well and truly alive on this issue. :):) I lot of candidates for enrollment in next years "Smile School".

Mike Harding · Guru

Wanda wrote:
Ian.....no kids

Your lack of tolerance has always indicated to me that would be the case.

Wanda · Guru

Gee, I was wondering how long it would take before you would appear and go into bat for the other two stooges, your so so predictable!
Finally the 3 stooges appear, Mo, Larry and Shemp. confuse
Happy xmas
Ian biggrin biggrin

yobarr · Guru

Wanda wrote:
Gee, do you really think I was not expecting that, your so quick Yobar
Ian

Presumably you mean "You're" (abbreviation for "You are") since I don't actually own a "so quick" so impossible to mean "your so quick".Cheers

Wanda · Guru

Yep, failed English at school, bummer hey.........but!
Did some stupid things also, probably broke a few laws along the way.
Thanks for your concern of my grama, woops gramma
Ian smile

Wanda · Guru

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Clarky 1 · Senior Member

Wanda wrote:
Yep, failed English at school, bummer hey.........but!
Did some stupid things also, probably broke a few laws along the way.
Thanks for your concern of my grama, woops gramma
Ian

It is Grammar Wanda.

Rob Driver asked a perfectly valid question of you in a post above,

Rob Driver said:

So Wanda,

I assume because the stolen goods are not owned by you it is OK

Tell us all your thoughts if someone stole the fuel from your car so as to make their journey cheaper.

Note this Wanda

*You dont need to criticise or ridicule me to answer that simple question.*

Waiting, waiting !!

ConsumerMan · Senior Member

I think we all have different attitudes depending on circumstances. I was a bit horrified at the young couples cavalier attitude and when I went inside to tell my wife she listened to the story and quietly asked whats the difference between charging an electric vehicle overnight and having a power cord running from van to car to keep your Engel fridge freezer powered 24/7, which we see all the time?

I had to have another glass of red to ponder her wisdom.

SoloMC · Senior Member

Like every new technology, people have little understanding of EVs
Remember when Scomo said they would ruin the weekend?
Well, this article shows just how versatile they are
Fast recharging costs $18 (compared to well over $200 to refill my lc200)
Some did a recharge at the sometimes free charging station while they had lunch, others recharged overnight
apparently, tesla have free charging credits as part of the purchase

One shows his ev towing a trailer
I was recently surprised at the number of EV charging stations on the Bruce hwy Qld, they were at every place i stopped for a meal or leak.
They call it ruining the weekend in their EVs
"We ruined the weekend!" Electric car owners share their stories about EV road trips (thedriven.io)

edit

some owners are under the impression that EV's are fossil fuel free driving. obviously they dont realise their power mostly comes from coal fired power stations

-- Edited by SoloMC on Friday 24th of December 2021 07:55:47 AM

Wanda · Guru

ConsumerMan wrote:
I think we all have different attitudes depending on circumstances. I was a bit horrified at the young couples cavalier attitude and when I went inside to tell my wife she listened to the story and quietly asked whats the difference between charging an electric vehicle overnight and having a power cord running from van to car to keep your Engel fridge freezer powered 24/7, which we see all the time?

I had to have another glass of red to ponder her wisdom.

Your wife is a very inteligent person, and she beat me too it!

When you hire/rent a unit it comes with power(points), which I can only "assume" as I have never seen anything that says you "can or cannot" use to charge your, phone, camera, Ipad, torches, drones, buetooth sound systems and the list could go on and on including your car fridge, or, why not, fridges! Some people do travel with more than one.

Unless there was signage in the unit to say "no charging" of............whatever, they have done nothing ILLEGAL, end of story! Try taking them to court and see just how far you would get.

You say there "cavalier attitude" They were pretty proud of the fact that they had found a way of charging their vehicle for nothing and saved all that money on fuel costs.* Again, I am not sure and you can't be also, that they had not spoken to the said owners and just failed to mention they had, but where just so happy, for once, not being charged for something(for once). WE DON"T KNOW FOR SURE as we were not in the conversation and don't know what the couple said or did not say!!

No it was not theft, it was not stolen, it may have been as we say, sailing close to the wind but until signage is in place to say otherwise, not guilty!

That analogy of "Tell us all your thoughts if someone stole the fuel from your car so as to make their journey cheaper." so far off the mark, it is not worth answering, if you can't see that, your problem!

Have a good xmas all, including Moe, Larry, Shemp and Curly Joe

Ian

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Aus-Kiwi · Guru

See Tesla owners are not happy about charges $$$ to replace batteries . Once out of warranty . Value of car plummets !

Buzz Lightbulb · Guru

Technology is always changing and hopefully, it is improving. One can't expect the perfect option the first time new technology is released. A lot of thought goes into releasing a new technology, such as an EV. Then the bugs are ironed out and improvements made. If one expects the fully 'thought out' option first time then we'd still be bashing rocks together.

Mike Harding · Guru

I suspect if you read the terms and conditions which the caravan park requires you to agree to you'll find a "Fair use" clause just as is in your "unlimited" NBN plan. It is this clause which prohibits me from filling my 10,000L water tanker at the park and similarly taking bucketfuls of electricity.

Powering the car fridge overnight will consume around 400 times *less* energy than charging an EV.

I have no doubt caravan parks will soon cotton on to this effective theft and directly prohibit or charge for it.

dogbox · Guru

i thought the point was ,that it cost more in onite accommodation than what the potential saving in fuel was by having to stop rather than drive straight thru

yobarr · Guru

SoloMC wrote:
Like every new technology, people have little understanding of EVs
Remember when Scomo said they would ruin the weekend?
Well, this article shows just how versatile they are
Fast recharging costs $18 (compared to well over $200 to refill my lc200)
Some did a recharge at the sometimes free charging station while they had lunch, others recharged overnight
apparently, tesla have free charging credits as part of the purchase

One shows his ev towing a trailer
I was recently surprised at the number of EV charging stations on the Bruce hwy Qld, they were at every place i stopped for a meal or leak.
They call it ruining the weekend in their EVs
"We ruined the weekend!" Electric car owners share their stories about EV road trips (thedriven.io)

edit
some owners are under the impression that EV's are fossil fuel free driving. obviously they don't realise their power mostly comes from coal fired power stations.

Thanks,Mark,for stating the obvious! Seems too much thinking involved for so many? Cheers

SoloMC · Senior Member

No matter what it is, people are scared of them thar new fangle things
horseless carriages, trains, the list goes on and on
they just cant handle change
I remember when the organisation i worked for introduced laptops for all field staff.
i embraced it but others insisted that all reports be hand written and handed to the steno to be typed while others still insisted that they use pen/paper

peter67 · Guru

Aus-Kiwi wrote:
See Tesla owners are not happy about charges $$$ to replace batteries . Once out of warranty . Value of car plummets !

Correct, and a brand new scandal for Tesla has just surfaced. They are selling new cars fitted with battery packs that have been in storage since 2017, and an advisory note that range will be 10 to 12% less, they estimate. Would you buy a new 300 series cruiser fitted with a five year old engine?

Aus-Kiwi · Guru

Elect cars have been around for years . Trouble is some preach tech that isnt out here yet !! Btw some of these vehicles are fair chunk of money !! Most my tools at home are battery operated . The lawn mower included . But to close down one system of energy and add it to another ? Ive worked in the elect supply industry. You cant just switch from one to another without big infrastructure!! Much the same as going total solar on camper . Except its just not for lights and TV !