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There is noway in the world that all pensioners wll be forced to have their pension paid via a card that can only be used to buy certain things. The trials running at the moment are in mainly indigineous areas and the aim is to mimimise the amount spent on alcohol/drugs to try and give kids a better life. 80%of the money is paid on the card and the rest in the normal way. Especially among the women in these areas it is a popular thing. It is also possible to opt out if the situation is not applicable to you. The people screaming about the injustice of it all in many cases would have no idea of the damage alcohol and drugs do to these communities and more specifically the kids in these communities. I'd suggest a chill pill is in order to those suggesting this is going to apply to everyone.

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 Of the 113 people  whom have applied to opt out of the cashless card in Kalgoorlie, only one was approved. It is virtually impossible for those wishing to opt out, to opt out.  My cousin., a former firefighter in the Kalgoorlie area, was injured, not on the job, and was placed on Disability Support Pension. He is 60, and want ed to opt out, and they,  Indue declined to do so. He  was a 25 year Veteran of  Fire and Rescue on WA, and they regarded him as not responsible enough to manage his money. He has paid off his house is a non drinker, non smoker and doesn't even buy a lotto, and they won't let him manage his money. I am pretty sure if people like the above commentor had a Referendum vote on the welfare card being place on people on welfare they would vote for it. It is not fair to tar everyone with the same brush just because , 13.7% of the people on welfare misuse their money. That 13.7% figure is from Centrelink itself. Their is 5 million people on welfare of some sort, if they all get put on the card, I can see labor being in government not long after and probably for a fair few terms.

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Going on the under 40 infection rate in Melbourne today, I am not so sure Chris

We needed a bridging loan to move units within our block & the bank said we don't lend money for buildings with your title. 

By the way you actually still have our title deeds on the mortgage we finished.

 

They gave us the bridging loan.

 

After the bridging loan I calculated all the payments. We were over charged $1800. Took months to get the money back... without interest given to us by the way!

Re pension to Indue card. Keep an eye out for the results of what is happening with this, it is getting debated on in Parliament this week , Labor is trying to get Morrison and the Liberals to abolish the card, it is coming to all after the Election. 80% of your pension is controlled of what you can spend or where you spend , If this is the only income travellers have then there will be many suffering. 

 

Hi all
thought I would attach some interesting reading regarding the proposal of the indue card.

I dont post very often so I shall sit back and see what the responses are.

hooroo!

wanna-go2 wrote:

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Hi all
thought I would attach some interesting reading regarding the proposal of the indue card.

I dont post very often so I shall sit back and see what the responses are.

hooroo!

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 Ivan,

Out of interest, could you tell us where this was published? 

I have just looked on the net, and there seems to be a good deal of info re Indue, none of which at a quick glance suggests it is a clandestine plot to control pensions or pensioners. There are annual reports on line, all readily available, none of which appear to mention politicians or ex politicians as directors or major shareholders.

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ALP have a online petition on this. you will have to copy n paste the link to see it.

https://stop-the-cashless-pension-card.org.au/?utm_source=social&utm_medium=facebook-organic&utm_campaign=web-thanks-link&fbclid=IwAR17V8gumPTxI

 

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Just like there are suckers who fall for internet scams, there are suckers who fall for stuff like this too. When there is never a real quote or evidence, and it's political you can be pretty sure it's false.

Social media makes people more stupid.

 

There was a case where a police officer saw a woman about to pour water into her car's petrol tank. The officer asked her what she was doing.

 

She said that she'd run out of fuel and saw on social media that if one pours water into one's fuel tank, one can drive to the petrol station.

 

The copper told her to stop and call for a tow truck or go get fuel in a container.

 

She then asked what should she do with the other (x I can't remember how many) litres of water that she's alteady put into the tank.

 

How stupid is that to believe everything or anything that one sees on social media?

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People keep saying the pension is welfare but in fact it's not. It was originally a levy paid as a separate payment to income tax much like a super contribution. At some point a certain government rolled it all together with the income tax as one payment. Instead of investing the pension contributions as they should have done, successive governments have tipped it into general revenue and spent it and now the chickens have come home to roost with not enough in the kitty to pay the bill so pollies are looking at every which way not to pay it or reduce it. They knew this day was coming for decades and none did anything about it except to make employers pay compulsory super to pull them out of the poo. All of us who have worked all our working lives and contributed to the pension scheme are morally entitled to it. It is our money that went into it that the government has snaffled in a very underhand manner.

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 Well said. Enjoy your pension

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Greg 1 wrote:

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People keep saying the pension is welfare but in fact it's not. It was originally a levy paid as a separate payment to income tax much like a super contribution. At some point a certain government rolled it all together with the income tax as one payment. Instead of investing the pension contributions as they should have done, successive governments have tipped it into general revenue and spent it and now the chickens have come home to roost with not enough in the kitty to pay the bill so pollies are looking at every which way not to pay it or reduce it. They knew this day was coming for decades and none did anything about it except to make employers pay compulsory super to pull them out of the poo. All of us who have worked all our working lives and contributed to the pension scheme are morally entitled to it. It is our money that went into it that the government has snaffled in a very underhand manner.

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 Well said. Enjoy your pension

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 There was a separate fund from 1945 to 1950, so its unlikely anybody on here actually contributed to it and it never amounted to anything like enough to pay pensions even for those on it then.      You paid income tax which was spent paying for pensions for people getting it during the years you were working.     

 

 

i would not think that anyone on a OAP would have contributed any were near what they are entitled to draw out ?

the OAP is a safety net for people who did/could not provide for their retirement years , they also benefit from a list of other benefits that are provided
along with the OAP , the people who are self-funded retirees get nothing but have still contributed to the tax system that funds the OAP and extra benefits, the more people who are self-funded will mean less people on the OAP , with super contributions/balances growing at some point in the not to distant future super draw down could be classified as income an exclude a lot of people who would under the current arrangements would be entitled to the OAP. the fewer people entitled to OAP the less impact any changes will have( the less noise from protesters ) to what ever they do