Had my second AZ covid jab

Clarky 1 · Senior Member

Had my second AZ covid jab

Mike Harding · Guru

Morning Dmaxer; 7C and fog here this morning, a few days back was -1C with the days getting up to about 12C. I'm not in the High Country but rather decided to winter in north central Victoria however I am too far south to get the better weather. I should, as per last year, have wintered on the Murray River around Mildura but instead am in a delightful forest 300km south of there and that distance makes a bigger difference to the weather than I realised. Although this is a lovely spot I will avoid it in June/July in future.

>DMaxer wrote: perhaps you might answer me these two quick questions if you would be so kind.

I decline your request. To be honest I have had enough of this debate and using time/bandwidth to Google things. It seems to me there is considerable evidence available to support the various vaccines and their very minor risk factors are well understood as is the far more significant risk factor of contracting covid, especially in we older people.

I fully support the right of people to choose not to have the vaccine, it is their body after all - however I think it is a foolish decision.

btw Dmaxer: my son recently did jury duty in a serious criminal case - a most enlightening experience for him.

Go well my friend :)

DMaxer · Guru

Good to hear from you Mike and your answer is accepted in the spirit that I am sure was intended. You are one of the posters on this forum with whom I do not always necessarily agree with but do accept that your views are based on knowledge and experience and not what you saw on television or heard on talk back radio. I will leave it at that. In relation to the son's jury experience I have heard that view from many. It is not like television or what some newspapers like to tell you but a totally different and eye opening experience into how the law and legal process works. Keep well and safe.

Gundog · Guru

After much discussion with our GP and partners specialist, my partner has finally decided she will have the covid jab.

Our first AZ jab is next wed.

This constant fear campain ran by the media and anti vaxers had my partner scared to have the jab, the most recent death of a 90 year old in SA, the media only said it was because of the AZ jab, etal the lady was 72 and yes the death was related to clots (Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome (TTS), ) but we will never the ortopsy outcome there may or may not be other underlying conditions lead to her passing.

And to those who may consider I'm blowing wind up you clacker, my partner has a very rare disease CTEPH which is only treated in 2 hospitals in Australia, one in Melbourne and the other in Brisbane, luckily we are in qld when she was diagnosed with CTEPH. the short answer is my wifes lungs work at a combined 30% all caused by blood clots hence the reluctance to have the covid jab, dont be fooled in thinking its only the AZ the you can get blood clots, because there have been cases with phizer.

If you take blood thinners you have nothing to worry about according to our specialists.

-- Edited by Gundog on Tuesday 13th of July 2021 10:23:03 AM

Dick0 · Guru

Clarky 1 wrote:
X 2 Rob,
I wonder at times wether some really know how silly they look / sound with their stupid childish comments.

Comments like these are typical of the back slappers. Nastiness and patronizing and abuse against those that have a differing view.

Must be a side effect of the jab!

Rob Driver · Guru

With another death today here is some current information with reference to contracting Covid 19.

It is a link from the CDC

www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html

-- Edited by Rob Driver on Tuesday 13th of July 2021 04:45:11 PM

dieseltojo · Senior Member

Not to bother either side, but my wife and I both have received the second jabb of the AZ variety. We are 74 and 75 years old. Nil affects. smile

I know folks that say it is all made up, so I ask them to take note of the 1000 folks that die daily over seas. But it ain't worth arguing over it....

yobarr · Guru

dieseltojo wrote:
Not to bother either side, but my wife and I both have received the second jabb of the AZ variety. We are 74 and 75 years old. Nil affects.
I know folks that say it is all made up, so I ask them to take note of the 1000 folks that die daily over seas. But it ain't worth arguing over it....

You're right there,Paul."It ain't worth arguing". For many,it seems that there is simply too much common sense and logic involved.Cheers

Gundog · Guru

This information is from phauk.org, primarly its for those with pulmonary hypertension of which may partner has.

12th July 2021
The COVID-19 vaccines used in the UK are as effective at preventing symptomatic disease in the majority of people with underlying health conditions compared to the rest of the population, new data from Public Health England (PHE) shows.
The study, which included more than 1 million people in at-risk groups, found:
> overall vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic disease in risk groups is approximately 60% after one dose of either AstraZeneca or Pfizer-BioNTech, with little variation by age
> after 2 doses, vaccine effectiveness is 81% with AstraZeneca in people in risk groups aged 16 to 64. No data is available for Pfizer-BioNTech
>in people in risk groups aged 65 and over, vaccine effectiveness with Pfizer-BioNTech is 89% and 80% with AstraZeneca
> for those who are immunosuppressed, vaccine effectiveness after a second dose is 74%, with similar protection to those who are not in a risk group. This rises from 4% after a first dose
Australia like the UK use the same 2 vacines.

Craig1 · Guru

Both of us double jabbed today, very pleased.

But on another note, Jindera, 10km North of Albury has been visited by the meandering removalist from Sydney, on Saturday 10th July. Lots of people lined up at the Testing Hall in Lavington as well this morning.

-- Edited by Craig1 on Thursday 15th of July 2021 11:47:01 AM

dorian · Guru

My father has been in and out of hospital several times this year. I have repeatedly asked the hospital to give him a flu jab and/or COVID jab, but they have always said they cannot do either. Apparently nurses have to be specially trained to give jabs. Even when my father was at home, the community nurse could not do it either, nor could the radio doctor. The only medical professional who has been able to administer a flu jab at home is the local GP, but you have to be lucky to find one who will do house calls.

My father is now in geriatric rehab in hospital. The doctor says that they can give him his second COVID jab, but the first jab has to be done or overseen by a GP. Does this make any sense at all?

My father would have had his jabs earlier this year, but I've had to postpone them twice under the advice of his haematologist (he has been taking immunosuppressive medication). Now he is going into an aged care facility, with no immunity from COVID or flu. What is wrong with this country?

Mike Harding · Guru

dorian wrote:
Now he is going into an aged care facility, with no immunity from COVID or flu. What is wrong with this country?

The vaccine roll-out does seem to have been a shambles of the first order. Surely such a process cannot be *that* difficult to implement.

My best wishes for your father Dorian, I hope all goes as well as possible.

Whenarewethere · Guru

dorian wrote:
My father has been in and out of hospital several times this year. I have repeatedly asked the hospital to give him a flu jab and/or COVID jab, but they have always said they cannot do either. Apparently nurses have to be specially trained to give jabs. Even when my father was at home, the community nurse could not do it either, nor could the radio doctor. The only medical professional who has been able to administer a flu jab at home is the local GP, but you have to be lucky to find one who will do house calls.

My father is now in geriatric rehab in hospital. The doctor says that they can give him his second COVID jab, but the first jab has to be done or overseen by a GP. Does this make any sense at all?

My father would have had his jabs earlier this year, but I've had to postpone them twice under the advice of his haematologist (he has been taking immunosuppressive medication). Now he is going into an aged care facility, with no immunity from COVID or flu. What is wrong with this country?

Over a decade ago we had to do the injections ourselves for a parent.

A 6 year old could do this stuff, but what do you do when there is zero medical services available in Sydney.

Possum3 · Guru

Whenarewethere wrote:
Over a decade ago we had to do the injections ourselves for a parent.
A 6 year old could do this stuff, but what do you do when there is zero medical services available in Sydney.

Recollections of a 4-5 year old self living in the Bush, with a Diabetic Grandmother, who was main carer (parent's both in uniform) - those days it was sterilising reusable needles and syringes on a fuel stove.

With no adult available I would inject "Gran" with her daily insulin - I remember her upper arm seemed like leather, trying to push the needle in - with no fine disposable syringes then, it seemed like pushing a crow bar into clay.

I'm not suggesting children should be tasked with COVID or Influenza shots - but in the main agree it's possible - if the required below freezing of vaccines could be guaranteed.