Not wishing to get off-track, except to say

The virus could have escaped, from any quarantine hotel, in any State

Unfortunately this time, New South Wales has copped it hard, and hopefully this lockdown will catch it, before it spreads too far

I had assumed that Bunnings had an Australian wide policy, of doing the right thing

In my home town, in Western Australia, Bunnings have an Enter and Exit door

On the Enter side, there is a table with the QR photo thingy for a phone, as well as, a paper and pen, plus a box to place your piece of paper in

It is in the same area as the hand sanitizer

Tony Bev wrote:

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Not wishing to get off-track, except to say

The virus could have escaped, from any quarantine hotel, in any State

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 If the reports are true, then the virus was transmitted by a dickhead airport driver who wasn't vaccinated and wasn't wearing a mask.

I believe the police have issued a statement saying no action will be taken in regards the driver.

My understanding is that drivers for passengers have to wear masks & have a vaccine, but drivers for aircrew didn't have to wear a mask or have a vaccine.

 

They have until the 28th to get a vaccine & then they can drive again.

 

There is an issue with that, in that it takes some time for the vaccine to be increasingly effective. Even then vaccines are really only stopping you from getting as sick. They are not doing as much to minimise transmission.

Just a by the by re shopping. Does everyone take their receipts when offered. On them you have the name of the business, the staff member who served you and the time you go through the checkout. It gives you some idea of when you are in particular shop.

It's about time. Gladys certainly had to be dragged kicking and screaming to place some of Sydney in a lockdown. Watched her on tele the night before and she studiously avoided the L word. If she had got her act together earlier they maybe better positioned. Glad I live in a State with a quick and decisive Premier.

At the end of each day one can take a photo of their campsite as a diary record to help with our failing memories & dates.

Gladys has been in denial of the risk which is present in our system of hotel quarantine since Covid became evident in Australia.

Unfortunately politics play a big part in her belligerent attitude as well with her support for international travel to remain in place in line with current federal guidelines.

It has been reported on some news forums that Gladys did not lock down earlier as is now being suggested she should have, because she was waiting for the school holidays to start. Apparently, according to some comments, this has saved millions of dollars by having parents at home with children for the duration of her lockdown.

I think that many of us know that hotel quarantine does not work but to make matters worse there appears that no one has actually made any rules for people in high risk employment areas. I am certainly surprised that an airline stewardess can do five journeys on a passenger aircraft while positive for the disease.

Eighty two cases in NSW reported this morning, lets hope they can control this outbreak before it gets any worse and Gladyss *gold standard* of contact tracing is reinstated.
I live in Qld and I am generally pleased how Anna P has handled the situation as it occurs in this state but saying this does not eliminate the risk of another outbreak anywhere in Australia while we continue to allow travellers from overseas into our country while we have a less than adequate quarantine procedures that is being proven on a daily basis.

Regards

Rob

bentaxlebabe wrote:

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Eighty two cases in NSW reported this morning,.....

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 A person at the top of Australia's pecking order said NSW can manage Covid without locking down.

They now have at least a 2 week bill for workers out of work. 

An example of not how to handle a Covid situation.

 

All my neighbours were very surprised that we were not already in a lockdown.

 

 

 

 

bgt wrote:

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Hang on a minute. NSW has handled the vast majority of folks flying into Australia. They have managed all their outbreaks. Yet now all you 'experts' are condemning her for the current situation. I haven't seen you all jump up and down with 'expert' opinions when Vic goes into it's 4th lockdown. And WA goes nuts with just one or two cases and blocks folks from Broken Hill simply because it 'close' to Sydney. Qld with one case. And SA over a pizza box.

This will become a political football that everyone on the left will use against NSW. Forget the past 14+ months of good work. Lets just hang Gladys on a situation that none of us keyboard 'expert' know about besides what we read in the media that is hell bent on selling headlines.

Let's round up all the witches and burn them at the same time.

Australia is becoming a hermit country and so are the states. While the rest of the world manages 100's or 1000's of cases a day we wet our nappies with a relatively few cases.

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It's a crisis. What don't you understand?

Let's all be thankful that you are not running this country.

 

bgt. Perhaps if people didnt wet their nappies here in Oz, we too would be looking at 100s of cases a day. We do have the advantage of being separated from the rest of the world and this has helped, but I feel that the actions taken by most states here have been correct.
Now we need to sort out the hotel quarantine system and it seems, airline staff, and the rest of Australia may get to enjoy the freedom that the less populated states have.

The people of Sydney are in for a difficult time, they had the Crossroads Hotel outbreak and they did well following directives, then the Northern Beaches outbreak which was controlled by that fact that there was only one way out.
Now we have a outbreak in the richer areas of the city, are we going to have these priveldged people leaving for destinations far and near. By some reports the exodus of people taking there normal school holiday break started earlier in the week.
This time I feel Gladys has used all of her luck up, letting her minister go home to isolate not calling any of his contacts, close contacts although the said minister was seen on Parliment TV walking thru a crowded room, after all the CMO did say that the Delta variant was more contagious and a 5 second passing could cause infection.

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How to find the right balance?

We have the doomsayers who are happy to see an entire state locked down, while the closest case may be hundreds of kilometres away. What is the cost? How many people will find this is the final straw and lose their businesses as a result? And then all the employees whose shifts get cancelled, or worse, lose their jobs, and they don't have enough money to pay their mortgage or car loans, etc. It snowballs. How many suffer major impacts to their life goals and fall into depression, or even suicide? Continuing to hand out free money is not sustainable.

Then we have those who complain about having to wear masks, or wear them under their noses saying "I'm alright Jack. This is an infringement on our civil liberties".

How many people do you know who refuse the vaccine, yet readily accept a greater risk with taking numerous medications? The contraceptive pill is an example. We take risks whenever we leave home (or even in the home).

What I don't understand is why peer pressure is not pushing back against those who exhibit symptoms that possibly could be covid, yet still go out without protecting othes ... pre lockdown of course. At a recent social gathering, a couple of people turned up with cold symptoms. Cold or COVID? I believe the community should be taking a view that this is unacceptable. Anything that helps reduce risk should be considered. In this case, peer pressure can easily drive behavioural change. 

So I believe we have to live with it and get life back to some normalcy. If this results in some incoveniences then so be it. But wide scale (eg state wide) lockdowns are just too costly.

 

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Re Bunnings, and most if not all major retailers. Apparently they had a blanket exemption from covid checkin rules at least in NSW Yes, they have one qr code sitting on the wall and a greeter a couple of metres away but never in several stores over the last several months have I seen anyone scan the code or being checked by the greeter.

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 Hi Tony 

It must be a State by State thing, about Covid check-ins

In the WA town I live in, they have QR scan codes, plus pen and paper, in every shop from the largest supermarket, down to the smallest fish and chip shop

I am not sure if it is a hard and fast rule, that you must check in, but the majority of us do the right thing