Aussie1 wrote:

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bgt wrote:

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The biggest single issue in Vic is that those responsible are too arrogant to learn from other state's. No one takes any blame. They then pull the lockdown trigger and blame others and expect others to pay for it. Yes something, it seems, went wrong in SA. But the fact that Vics own parliment house won't use the state's belated q code must tell you something. And why is/was Vic stock piling the vaccine?

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It's time to do what that "guy" in the USA wanted done. Build a wall around Victoria. But lets not tell the Vic's it's to keep them in, but to stop the mice from invading their state. They will fall for that eh.

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 Another alternative could be considering that, most of the border is a river, excavate a channel to the sea on the eastern side and for SA to donate them the bit of land that the river flows through in their state and remove all the bridges. Alan Joyce would just have to abide by a no fly zone in the South Eastern corner of what once was Australia.

Now before I get hammered by Vics with tin hats...this is said with tongue in cheek.

Regards

Rob

Aussie1 wrote:

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bgt wrote:

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The biggest single issue in Vic is that those responsible are too arrogant to learn from other state's. No one takes any blame. They then pull the lockdown trigger and blame others and expect others to pay for it. Yes something, it seems, went wrong in SA. But the fact that Vics own parliment house won't use the state's belated q code must tell you something. And why is/was Vic stock piling the vaccine?

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It's time to do what that "guy" in the USA wanted done. Build a wall around Victoria. But lets not tell the Vic's it's to keep them in, but to stop the mice from invading their state. They will fall for that eh.

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Yep but the wall ought to be made with toilet paper. I mean every one knows it is the best most insurmountable barrier material.

Not one person with more than 500 rolls has ever been known to catch the covid.

I don't think that the constitution is clear cut, from my understanding (which is limited) the federal government has powers shared with the states in relation to quarantine

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Feds have the responsibility at the external boarders for quarantine through Border Force, Immigration and biodiversity. Once they are inside the states its the state's responsibility.

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 not correct - because Broder Force works across States

Trevor 57 wrote:

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msg wrote:

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Feds have the responsibility at the external boarders for quarantine through Border Force, Immigration and biodiversity. Once they are inside the states its the state's responsibility.

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 not correct - because Broder Force works across States

 

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 Border Force only works on exterior borders.  It has bases in each state i.e. at airports to check what is coming in and to a lesser extent what is going out.  It has ships that patrol the oceans.  It is a federal department.   Speaking from 20yrs experience.

I think this report gives a historic breakdown of who is/was responsible and the shortcomings of the Federal Govt being able to run the program. If I recall it correctly, Mr Andrews proudly announced after the 1st National Cabinet meeting that it was his idea to have the states run quarantine. His reasoning was the States run the their own Health systems, (Federal Govt just hands out the money) so it was logical for states to run the program and those who were requiring Hospitalisation could be easily transferred because the State Govt was running both quarantine (ie hotels) and the hospitals.

www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-19/who-is-responsible-for-quarantine-in-australia/13070108

Poor old Melbourne, certainly doing it hard of late, no longer worlds most livable city, has now dropped to 8th on the list, and to rub salt into the wound Adelaide is now 3rd, time changes everything.

I never could understand the claim, the place is a nightmare to navigate and the climate! less said the better.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/melbourne-drops-to-8th-on-world-liveability-index-20210609-p57zcs.html

gdayjr wrote:

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Santa wrote:

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Poor old Melbourne, certainly doing it hard of late, no longer worlds most livable city, has now dropped to 8th on the list, and to rub salt into the wound Adelaide is now 3rd, time changes everything.

I never could understand the claim, the place is a nightmare to navigate and the climate! less said the better.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/melbourne-drops-to-8th-on-world-liveability-index-20210609-p57zcs.html

The 10 most liveable cities

 

City	Rank	Country	Index
Auckland	1	New Zealand	96.0
saka	2	Japan	94.2
Adelaide	3	Australia	94.0
Wellington	4	New Zealand	93.7
Tokyo	4	Japan	93.7
erth	6	Australia	93.3
Zurich	7	Switzerland	92.8
Geneva	8	Switzerland	92.5
Melbourne	8	Australia	92.5
Brisbane	10	Australia	92.4

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 I live in Sydney. I know where Adelaide and Melbourne are, but never been to erth, Cant' even find it on a map ?

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 I could never understand why anyone would want to live in a city......on any Public Hoilday the roads are always choked with people/cars wanting to get out of the city for some relief......

gdayjr wrote:

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Santa wrote:

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Poor old Melbourne, certainly doing it hard of late, no longer worlds most livable city, has now dropped to 8th on the list, and to rub salt into the wound Adelaide is now 3rd, time changes everything.

I never could understand the claim, the place is a nightmare to navigate and the climate! less said the better.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/melbourne-drops-to-8th-on-world-liveability-index-20210609-p57zcs.html

The 10 most liveable cities

 

City	Rank	Country	Index
Auckland	1	New Zealand	96.0
saka	2	Japan	94.2
Adelaide	3	Australia	94.0
Wellington	4	New Zealand	93.7
Tokyo	4	Japan	93.7
erth	6	Australia	93.3
Zurich	7	Switzerland	92.8
Geneva	8	Switzerland	92.5
Melbourne	8	Australia	92.5
Brisbane	10	Australia	92.4

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 I live in Sydney. I know where Adelaide and Melbourne are, but never been to erth, Cant' even find it on a map ?

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 We all live on erth!

Like I said Chief, until we find a BETTER place to live, we are on the best...maybe there is better but we haven't found it yet!!!

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/one-vic-case-pm-in-global-vaccine-talks/ar-AAKXcht?ocid=msedgntp

Back home, the daily grind of driving down community transmission in Victoria has authorities worried because testing rates have been low.

Only one fresh local case was recorded in the state on Saturday, and none on Friday, but testing commander Jeroen Weimar indicated this was of little comfort.

"Our concern at the moment is there may well be more out there," he told reporters.

He encouraged Victorians to call each other out about virus symptoms to boost testing numbers.

I don't know how to feel about this.  I am disturbed though.   Is this a case of dobbing?  Thats un-Australian, it makes me sad to think that this is happening. We should be getting tested and in times gone past we would have. Oh how our communities have changed.    Hitler started this way by getting the youngsters to tell on their parents also likewise Mao.   but..... Do people need to get dobbed in for not getting tested if they sneeze?  

msg wrote:

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https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/one-vic-case-pm-in-global-vaccine-talks/ar-AAKXcht?ocid=msedgntp

Back home, the daily grind of driving down community transmission in Victoria has authorities worried because testing rates have been low.

Only one fresh local case was recorded in the state on Saturday, and none on Friday, but testing commander Jeroen Weimar indicated this was of little comfort.

"Our concern at the moment is there may well be more out there," he told reporters.

He encouraged Victorians to call each other out about virus symptoms to boost testing numbers.

I don't know how to feel about this.  I am disturbed though.   Is this a case of dobbing?  Thats un-Australian, it makes me sad to think that this is happening. We should be getting tested and in times gone past we would have. Oh how our communities have changed.    Hitler started this way by getting the youngsters to tell on their parents also likewise Mao.   but..... Do people need to get dobbed in for not getting tested if they sneeze?  

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 My issue there is if you have been tested and found to be clear, and if you have no symptoms then why go and get tested again? If all he wants is high numbers to confirm no further outbreaks, I am happy to be tested every day if he will pay me $100 each time to do so. Either Covid is out there or it is not. In any case that idiot has no medical quals so why should we even listen to the dribble that comes out of his mouth. He  has said so may things that have proven to be inaccurate that he is like the little boy who called wolf. Time the lot were replaced with people who have the medical knowledge, and also a government that yes listens to their recommendations, but also looks at the economic damage that these recommendations may incur and then make the decisions AND OWN THEM. So far the Govt keeps hiding behind "DHS/medical advice" but refuses to release the data. To me its all BS and they need to get Victorians on side. I am sick of being told what I can and cannot do without sound information being made available. I just wish I lived in NSW. Vic is a  *****hole.