Covid travel (Vict)

Whenarewethere · Guru

RE: Covid travel (Vict)

Recoup · Guru

Nothing makes sense to me any more ,

-- Edited by Recoup on Thursday 27th of May 2021 11:17:37 AM

Bicyclecamper · Guru

dogbox wrote:
not much point in complaining if you haven't had the shot as you could end up being part of the problem

I can't have the AZ, my Doctor has recommended the Pfizer, but the Gov. has denied me that , until their is more of the Pfizer, in the country at the end of the year, or early next year. So this comment, is somewhat discrimatory. Not everybody, over 50 can safely have the AZ.

Ger08 · Senior Member

I hope the border closures and and the lockdown in Victoria dont cause too many issue for many. We in Australia have lived with a false sense of security, that Covid was pretty much under control and we didnt really have much to worry about. You only have to look at countries with a similar situation, Singapore and Taiwan. Both had low vaccination rates and are paying the price for it. People the only way to halt the spread of this virus is to get vaccinated as soon as possible. As the Victorian authorities stated, if more people,were vaccinated they might not be facing a lockdown

Wanda · Guru

Recoup wrote:
Nothing makes sense to me any more ,

-- Edited by Recoup on Thursday 27th of May 2021 11:17:37 AM

I guess the issue is, even though you have had the jab you can still SPREAD it!

You may NOT die but the people that you give it too, even your family and friends, possibly will.

The worry appears to be this new Indian strain of the virus

Ian

bgt · Guru

The crazy thing I can't figure out is how they give everyone 12 hours notice to get out of the state. I can imagine stuff being thrown in cars and caravans and heading north. Infected or not!!

Whenarewethere · Guru

Wanda wrote:
Recoup wrote:
Nothing makes sense to me any more ,

-- Edited by Recoup on Thursday 27th of May 2021 11:17:37 AM
I guess the issue is, even though you have had the jab you can still SPREAD it!
You may NOT die but the people that you give it too, even your family and friends, possibly will.
The worry appears to be this new Indian strain of the virus
Ian

With the AZ vaccine I believe after about a month a 30% reduction in transmission, 60% after the second injection. So not an overly effective rate. But anything is better than nothing.

dogbox · Guru

Bicyclecamper wrote:

dogbox wrote:
not much point in complaining if you haven't had the shot as you could end up being part of the problem
I can't have the AZ, my Doctor has recommended the Pfizer, but the Gov. has denied me that , until their is more of the Pfizer, in the country at the end of the year, or early next year. So this comment, is somewhat discrimatory. Not everybody, over 50 can safely have the AZ.

why would the statement be considered discrimatory , if you haven't had the shot (for what ever reason) you could be part of the problem .
just a thought if the mice were to become carriers we could be in a real pickle

Whenarewethere · Guru

just a thought if the mice were to become carriers we could be in a real pickle

We would die & free up capital, the next generation would get their "entitled" inheritance, invest in tulips, then there would be a crash!

-- Edited by Whenarewethere on Thursday 27th of May 2021 03:23:02 PM

Whenarewethere · Guru

Melburnians pulled off Ghan in Alice Springs & put into quarantine.

Tony Bev · Guru

CharlieBucket wrote:
Aggh Vict..We are due to head out next week on our delayed Darwin trip (yay). Does anyone know if we go from Hay NSW drive thru Mildura into Renmark SA do we have to do border passes for Victoria? and then passes VIC to SA or can we do border pass NSW to SA. Or if we do it at night would anyone see us Haha just joshing.....

As we are not in normal times, due to the Covid-19

The goalpost on state border crossing, are changing all the time

Dick0, has given good advice
Best you go directly to the relevant Covid information site to see the latest official media releases.

It looks like anyone, leaving Victoria at the moment, (7 day lockdown starts tonight), may have to get tested/quarantine when entering other states

To the best of my knowledge, Victoria (at the moment), said you will be allowed to leave the state, but must follow other states rules

I would not like to guess, what the normal will be next week

Possum3 · Guru

Just read on MSN site that streams of Victorians are pouring into NSW many with caravans in tow.

Whenarewethere · Guru

Possum3 wrote:
Just read on MSN site that streams of Victorians are pouring into NSW many with caravans in tow.

Like rats exiting a sinking ship!

murranji2019 · Member

Not a very nice comparison.....
Not a sinking ship ,a lot of peoples plans have been destroyed .Lots of funds lost.
Maybe you are far wiser than all.....

Corndoggy · Senior Member

Why do I have a feeling that this will work out to be a lot worse this time around?

landy · Guru

Possum3 wrote:

Just read on MSN site that streams of Victorians are pouring into NSW many with caravans in tow.

I believe for anybody entering NSW from VIC after 4.00 PM this afternoon Victorian rules go with them and they must lock-down at there destination from what I read in the news.

landy · Guru

dorian · Guru

I received my AZ jab earlier this week after waiting 2 months. The government really is hopelessly and dangerously inept. If it weren't for those people who are holding out for Pfizer, or who don't wish to be vaccinated at all, I would probably have had to wait even longer.

gdayjr · Senior Member

17 aged care facilities in Australia have not recieved their first round shots yet.

That is shocking.

dorian · Guru

Corndoggy wrote:
Why do I have a feeling that this will work out to be a lot worse this time around?

I have the same feeling. Just look at Taiwan's massive spike.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/taiwan/

dorian · Guru

Possum3 wrote:
Just read on MSN site that streams of Victorians are pouring into NSW many with caravans in tow.

People are motivated by self interest. Instead we should have a war time mentality where everyone knows and accepts that sacrifices have to be made. Stay put, roll up your sleeve, and take one for the team.

Cupie · Guru

bgt wrote:
If you get the vaccination you can still get covid and also pass it on. Doesn't anyone get it. The vaccine will NOT stop the spread. Look it up for yourself.

I just read this in my morning copy of The New Daily .....

Q. Whats the point being vaccinated if you can still give it to other people?

Even if you catch the virus, being vaccinated will mean a lower viral load and lower your chance of being contagious.

In the UK, one dose of the vaccine halves the chance of spreading COVID to household contacts.

ps. I agree 100% with Dorian's last few posts. Be great if we had a 'Like' button

-- Edited by Cupie on Friday 28th of May 2021 07:49:10 AM

Whenarewethere · Guru

dorian wrote:
Possum3 wrote:
Just read on MSN site that streams of Victorians are pouring into NSW many with caravans in tow.
People are motivated by self interest. Instead we should have a war time mentality where everyone knows and accepts that sacrifices have to be made. Stay put, roll up your sleeve, and take one for the team.

A few people made vast sums of money out of war & the rest paid the price.

dorian · Guru

This is the kind of news story that we should be seeing in Australia:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-end-covid-19-restrictions-after-vaccine-success-2021-05-23/

"Israel will end local COVID-19 restrictions following a successful vaccine rollout that has nearly stamped out new infections, the country's Health Ministry said on Sunday."

The differences between Israel and Australia are that the Australian government can't manage crises, only create them, and Israel is in a constant state of war, so personal sacrifice and community spirit are part of their national psyche.

-- Edited by dorian on Friday 28th of May 2021 08:16:42 AM

Whenarewethere · Guru

There is an extremely large religious groups who are not getting vaccinated, gathering in large groups causing transmission for the rest of the peoole.

bgt · Guru

Let's all start a blame game. And lets not use any facts. Isn't that how it works?

1/ the vaccine will NOT stop the spread. It may slow it down. Not proven and many reports confirm that fact. Yes we are all better off with the vaccine. So it lowers the risk. And who here has been vaccinated?

2/ the constitution make the fed government responsible for quarantine. States responsible for health. At the very first federal cabinet meeting ALL the states wanted, and got, responsibility for quarantine. So don't blame the feds. The states took it on and are responsible. Look up the facts.

3/ vaccine supply. Folks went mad when the feds ordered different types of vaccine. Now they are saying the feds should have ordered more. And sure lets blame the feds for companies not honouring their contracts.

4/ why has NSW been so successful if the system is broken? Why aren't the other states having lockdowns like Vic?

5/ why didn't the Vic government not notify exposure sites and left it up to customers to tell the owners? Yes that happened and yes they said that isn't their responsibility!!

6/ why have the other states all got working Qcodes when Vic still hasn't got their system up and running. Why has the Vic parliment house got their own Qcode.

There are many more examples.

It's a **** up. Vic simply cant manage a chook raffle.

Whenarewethere · Guru

Why do 8 small kingdoms use different systems.

bgt · Guru

Whenarewethere that is the $60.00 question.

Egos?

dorian · Guru

bgt wrote:
Let's all start a blame game. And lets not use any facts. Isn't that how it works?

1/ the vaccine will NOT stop the spread. It may slow it down. Not proven and many reports confirm that fact. Yes we are all better off with the vaccine. So it lowers the risk. And who here has been vaccinated?

2/ the constitution make the fed government responsible for quarantine. States responsible for health. At the very first federal cabinet meeting ALL the states wanted, and got, responsibility for quarantine. So don't blame the feds. The states took it on and are responsible. Look up the facts.

3/ vaccine supply. Folks went mad when the feds ordered different types of vaccine. Now they are saying the feds should have ordered more. And sure lets blame the feds for companies not honouring their contracts.

4/ why has NSW been so successful if the system is broken? Why aren't the other states having lockdowns like Vic?

5/ why didn't the Vic government not notify exposure sites and left it up to customers to tell the owners? Yes that happened and yes they said that isn't their responsibility!!

6/ why have the other states all got working Qcodes when Vic still hasn't got their system up and running. Why has the Vic parliment house got their own Qcode.

There are many more examples.

It's a **** up. Vic simply cant manage a chook raffle.

People are the problem, at least in Victoria.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-28/victoria-covid-cases-numbers-restrictions/100172268

"The outbreak that started this week in Melbourne's north has now grown to 30 cases.

There were 47,462 test results received, breaking the previous record of 42,000.

There were 17,223 vaccination doses administered through state-run sites -- also a record for the state and up on 12,677 on Wednesday and 15,858 on Tuesday."

Why weren't these same people rolling up their sleeves before the latest crisis, or did the Victorian government suddenly find thousands of extra doses?

bgt · Guru

Victoria opened testing sites on Wednesday. Then closed 20 minutes later because they had reached capacity. Huh? Who plans something and closes it only 20 minutes after it opened? Same with their web sites and phone lines.