Five years in prison if you return to the country of which you are a citizen

yobarr · Guru

Five years in prison if you return to the country of which you are a citizen

peter67 · Guru

Lets drop the politics, I agree with what dogbox has said.

dogbox · Guru

Mike Harding wrote:

dogbox wrote:
you didn't reply as to what your actions would be. are we being selfish for preventing citizen from returning for a couple of weeks.
You miss my original point:
If a government is able to prevent the citizens of the country it has the privilege of governing from living there then it is no more than a dictatorship. Is that what you seek in your government?

that is not a new law but is hidden in another set of laws that refer to bio security. It will soon be tested in our courts to decide if it is legal or not until then we have to live with it .

IF it is deemed unconstitutional they will have to find some other way to deal with the situation and protect the other millions of Australians that call Australia home
if we were even close to a dictatorship we (as a people ) would not have the option of a legal system that could over rule laws that don't cut the mustard

Craig1 · Guru

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Greg 1 · Guru

There are a couple of pertinent points to ponder here. The first is that we are an island. Covid would not have entered this country except for international travellers. Every case of Covid can be ultimately traced back to an incoming traveller. Due to these people, about 1000 Australians have lost their lives as a result and it could have been much worse. The fact that the Federal Government has placed a pause on people coming into this country from India or for that matter any other hotspot, is for one reason and one reason only. That is to try to not add to that total. That some selfish self entitled persons with half a brain cell feel that they should be allowed to float backwards and forwards at their whim in these extraordinary times just shows how little they believe in the concept of mateship. Sorry but I support the Government on their current position and make no apologies for that.

dorian · Guru

This country has no bill of human rights to define our government's obligations and to limit its powers. The fact that we don't have the right to free speech has already been demonstrated by Abbott when he introduced draconian legislation that would imprison anyone who spoke out against the government's treatment of asylum seekers. Howard's ASIO goons destroyed a hard drive belonging to an SBS reporter who would have exposed his lies regarding the war in Iraq, and we now know that these same goons have done this to others on numerous occasions.

So to the answer the original question, yes, the government has dictatorial powers which need to be curbed by a bill of rights and a revision to the constitution. As for the exercise of such powers in relation to citizens returning from India, a COVID-19 hotspot, the majority of Australians think that the government is doing the right thing in respect of stranded citizens:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-03/lowy-poll-stranded-australians-overseas-home-flights/100108870

montie · Guru

You know it's very easy for us to bang the keyboard in the comfort of our own lounge room and declare to all and sundry how outraged we are.

I wonder if we would take the same view stuck in a flea bag hotel in India surrounded by Covid horror and watching people die in numbers when the Govt has just told you to stay put....it's only for 3 or 4 weeks.

I am not saying what is right or wrong here....just offering a different perspective.

the rocket · Guru

Greg 1 wrote:
There are a couple of pertinent points to ponder here. The first is that we are an island. Covid would not have entered this country except for international travellers. Every case of Covid can be ultimately traced back to an incoming traveller. Due to these people, about 1000 Australians have lost their lives as a result and it could have been much worse. The fact that the Federal Government has placed a pause on people coming into this country from India or for that matter any other hotspot, is for one reason and one reason only. That is to try to not add to that total. That some selfish self entitled persons with half a brain cell feel that they should be allowed to float backwards and forwards at their whim in these extraordinary times just shows how little they believe in the concept of mateship. Sorry but I support the Government on their current position and make no apologies for that.

Me too

dogbox · Guru

montie wrote:

You know it's very easy for us to bang the keyboard in the comfort of our own lounge room and declare to all and sundry how outraged we are.

I wonder if we would take the same view stuck in a flea bag hotel in India surrounded by Covid horror and watching people die in numbers when the Govt has just told you to stay put....it's only for 3 or 4 weeks.

I am not saying what is right or wrong here....just offering a different perspective.

under the circumstances why would anyone go there in the first place, knowing that boarders restriction could possibly be imposed at any time ?
if we get overwhelmed by covid we won't have to go to india to watch people die, it could be happening here, remember the scenes from new york bodies stacked in refrigerator trucks because the had nowhere to store them , then being buried in mass graves.
the same thing is happening to our north an we know how hard it was to stop the boats!

Whenarewethere · Guru

I was born in Australia, I love where I live & do not want to give it up, but I am also one of a very fortunate minority who have a foreign passport, which I renewed last year.

If our country continues going down the path of dictatorship I will leave one way or another if things get bad enough.

It may be far from the best option to leave but at least at the end of the day it is an option!

I also have sailing skills from the first day I can remember, about 4 years old, so I can manage ocean navigation.

It is like traveling in the outback, one needs to have some form of options when things turn pear shaped.

It may not be ideal but any option is better than no options.

bgt · Guru

Australians have chosen to go to Indian in the past 12 months. Like any destination it's their choice. Now they want to run home because their choice no longer suits them. Most other cricketers are going to Sri Lanka as an organized group. There they will negotiate with the Australian authorities. Sensible. One "prat" decided to do it his way and he has been caught out. He has to be responsible for his own action. He has quickly destroyed any respect I ever had for him.

Whenarewethere · Guru

Not a lot of difference to the people who traveled within Australia & get stuck in the wrong "kingdom".

Doesn't matter whether whether you are 1000mm or 1000km from home.

One is still stuffed.

dogbox · Guru

Whenarewethere wrote:

Not a lot of difference to the people who traveled within Australia & get stuck in the wrong "kingdom".
Doesn't matter whether whether you are 1000mm or 1000km from home.
One is still stuffed.

the restrictions did manage to contain the virus in this country and only approx 1000 deaths but there were a lot of people pushing for the restriction to be lifted so THEY could get on with their lives, bugger anyone else. now that we have a vaccine and our immediate risk is low people seem to be hesitant in getting it in vast numbers . if we have an out break people will be criticizing the government for not doing it faster . i still have not heard how long it takes after having the shot till one has the protection it offers. i have heard the flu short takes approx 3 months to acquire maximum protection

dogbox · Guru

bgt wrote:

Australians have chosen to go to Indian in the past 12 months. Like any destination it's their choice. Now they want to run home because their choice no longer suits them. Most other cricketers are going to Sri Lanka as an organized group. There they will negotiate with the Australian authorities. Sensible. One "prat" decided to do it his way and he has been caught out. He has to be responsible for his own action. He has quickly destroyed any respect I ever had for him.

will they be required to go into mandatory quarantine on arrival back in aus and will they be taking the place of others waiting for a place in quarantine ? we are limited by the number of places we have to quarantine people

bgt · Guru

dogbox that's the problem. Australias capacity to quarantine incoming folk.

montie · Guru

dogbox wrote:
montie wrote:

You know it's very easy for us to bang the keyboard in the comfort of our own lounge room and declare to all and sundry how outraged we are.

I wonder if we would take the same view stuck in a flea bag hotel in India surrounded by Covid horror and watching people die in numbers when the Govt has just told you to stay put....it's only for 3 or 4 weeks.

I am not saying what is right or wrong here....just offering a different perspective.

under the circumstances why would anyone go there in the first place, knowing that boarders restriction could possibly be imposed at any time ?
if we get overwhelmed by covid we won't have to go to india to watch people die, it could be happening here, remember the scenes from new york bodies stacked in refrigerator trucks because the had nowhere to store them , then being buried in mass graves.
the same thing is happening to our north an we know how hard it was to stop the boats!

I'm not disputing anything you say......just saying there are two perspectives to the discussion!

DMaxer · Guru

We are not a pauper nation, we are the 7th wealthiest nation in the world with about the 13th largest economy and a large land mass with a relatively small population. There is absolutely no reason we could not have established large quarantine bases either in mainland Australia or on existing territories like Christmas Island. If 9000 refugees landed on our shores we would have found a place for them. Hotels are for travellers and tourists, not people suspected of having the virus. We have had a relatively dream ride thanks to our isolation and our various state governments. Apart from those two factors we have been let down.

Greg 1 · Guru

I agree DMaxer. Hotels are not the place to quarantine people for multiple reasons. There are Federal facilities that could have been made suitable by now or even to build mining camp type facilities within reasonable distance of hospitals if needed. They have had well over 12 months to get going on this and they haven't done it because Scomo wants to duck shove his responsibility off onto the States. We could be bring Australians home in good numbers if we had proper facilities and these could be built as a temporary structure.

bgt · Guru

Guys think about your idea of a large facility for upwards on 10000 incoming passengers. That's a small/large town. You need butchers, bakers and candle stick maker to name just a few. You need medical and health staff. Infrastructure like power, water and sewerage. Police and emergency. Transport. Food etc etc etc. You can't just put a peg in the ground and say 'let's build a quarantine facility here'. Even to upgrade Howard Springs would be a a huge job. Then where are all the workers coming from to run these places?

Ah but there's more. How are you going to get all those folks from overseas there? And out again. On a bus? No you need an airport.

DMaxer · Guru

We have many locations in NSW alone. There is a quarantine base on South Head of Sydney Harbour, the hospital at Little Bay has a quarantine section, there are islands on Sydney Harbour that are unused as well as facilities like the old Callan Park hospital and islands on the Hawkesbury River. People are only there for 14 days. If it was a natural disaster these areas would soon be mobilised. We are not building a resort, just an isolation centre. The military could and would do this quite well. We have had over 12 months to prepare and done nothing but book out hotels.