No wonder accidental shootings happen.

I have taught many complete beginners, including children, to shoot and would consider I had seriously failed in my duty of care if something like that happened.

Mike Harding wrote:

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I have taught many complete beginners, including children, to shoot and would consider I had seriously failed in my duty of care if something like that happened.

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I would have thought that providing firearms to children was a criminal offence, in which case you have already failed in your duty of care. 

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dorian wrote:

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I would have thought that providing firearms to children was a criminal offence

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You should, occasionally, try tempering your thoughts with fact Dorian.

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South Sydney's Latrell Mitchell pleads guilty to firearms charge after camping trip during coronavirus lockdown:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-04/latrell-mitchell-pleads-guilty-coronavirus-breaches-firearms/12521878

Are you know going to tell me that children can be issued with a firearms licence or permit? Or do other states have different laws?

"South Sydney NRL star Latrell Mitchell has pleaded guilty to a firearms charge stemming from a weekend camping trip to the NSW Mid-North Coast."

"Mitchell was charged with giving a firearm to a person not authorised by a licence or permit."

"He was one of a group of men who visited his property at Caffreys Flat, north-west of Taree, in late April, when a coronavirus travel ban was in place."

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Are you know going to tell me that children can be issued with a firearms licence or permit? Or do other states have different laws?

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Dorian, your obsession with firearms is unhealthy, seek some help.

https://www.police.sa.gov.au/services-and-events/firearms-and-weapons/do-I-need-a-firearms-licence

https://www.police.vic.gov.au/juniors

https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/online_services/firearms/permits/firearms_permits/minors

I'll leave the other states as an exercise for you in how to use Google and, of course, you didn't even *think* about overseas... did you?

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I really don't know what is wrong with some members of this Forum - The title of the section is "Just Joking". To my mind that means Jokes are posted here pure and simple - Puns, Witticisms, Humorous Facts/Anecdotes/Lies all generally come into the category.

It seems of late that we are becoming a bunch of "my dick is bigger than your's" whingers - It's like 5 year olds running up a sand hill screaming "I'm the King of the castle and you're the dirty rascal".

Maybe the COVID 19 Pandemic has affected everyone to the point of having no tolerance whatsoever.

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I don't have any tolerance for people who give guns to kids, or for lawmakers who allow it to happen.

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Giving guns to kids is just bad, really bad.

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Why?

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The fact that you need to ask that question should be sufficient grounds to revoke your gun licence.

BTW, when you are dealing with your ideological opponents, you seem to have one standard response, and that is to question their sanity. Might I suggest that you look for alternative answers in the NRA playbook?

Dorian: your inability to support your own irrational and emotional utterance is noted.

It seems to me you have a perception that firearms are intrinsically evil unless, of course, they are used by people of who you approve, police and such. Firearms are no more evil than a knife or cricket bat or 10L of petrol but you do seem fixated on it.

Firearms law in Australia is fairly strict and, in the main, sensible. Shooting is a growing sport, especially in recent years, and is a great sport with its myriad variations for families and young people; it teaches discipline, self improvement and care for others. The hunting sports encourage people to spend time in the bush and learn its ways - they are healthy and wholesome and a far more humane way to obtain one's meat than shopping at Safeway.

You're an intelligent man Dorian so try basing your opinions regarding firearms on logic rather than emotion.

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The best time to learn the correct use of guns is in early teenage years before they learn bad habits.
When I was young most country 12 year olds had been taught the safe methods of gun ownership.

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Do you give your 12 year old a cigarette to prevent him from developing bad habits?

Do you start him on alcohol at 12 yrs to prevent bad habits?

Do you introduce him to the pokies and the TAB for the same reason?

If you are a good parent and handle your firearms responsibly, whose bad habits is he going to pick up? If OTOH you are a bad parent with bad habits in respect of the handling and storage of firearms, why should you be teaching your child anything, whether at 12 years of age or 18? In any case, even if you teach your child good habits, he will eventually do what you do, not what you say.

When I looked into getting a firearms licence some 15 years ago, it was a requirement in NSW that every applicant undergo a course of instruction with a recognised instructor. Is that not still the case?

dorian wrote:

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Am I getting close? 

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Yes Dorian, I think you are:

Find a Psychologist

Mike Harding wrote:

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dorian wrote:

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Am I getting close? 

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Yes Dorian, I think you are:

Find a Psychologist

 

 

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Mike, I know you are no friend of PC, and nor am I, so let's call a spade a spade. The gun lobby likes to use terms such as "sporting", recreational" and "hunting" as euphemisms for what essentially amounts to killing animals for fun. So now that we've got that straight, let's ask some direct questions.

Is killing animals for fun a sign of a mental disorder?

Should such people be permitted to own deadly weapons?

Should someone who advocates that such people be denied such weapons be viewed as insane?

Please don't try to gaslight me again. It really is a weak response. 

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Time for you two boof heads to stop butting heads, me thinks. No winners here!!

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If either Dorian or I felt we needed someone to regulate us for our
own good I very much doubt either of us would choose you.

This is an obscure thread on an obscure forum on an obscure website;
what makes you feel you need to intervene and pontificate upon it?

I strongly suspect it's an over abundance of self importance and an
elevated desire to poke your nose into things which don't concern
you. Far too much of that attitude around both on this forum and in
the community at large - if it doesn't concern you then don't feel a
burning need to interfere.

I laughed when I saw those idiots falling over whilst firing guns. Obviously they were never instructed how to respect and fire a gun. I imagine, from the weapons and backgrounds, that they were from the USA. 

I was taught how to respect and fire a gun from a very young age. Probably 10 or 11. I listened to my father's instructions including, but not limited to:

A gun is a murder weapon. Don't be a murderer. Use the gun properly. 

Never point a gun at anything that you don't want to kill. 

A gun is always loaded even if you just unloaded it. 

Never fire a gun if you don't know where the bullet will end up if you miss the target. 

Don't kill anything for the sake of killing.

Etcetera... 

I think that I learned at that young age because I thought my father knew everything about guns, he often went shooting and he was in WWII. He'd also clip my ear if I did anything wrong so I had to listen and get it right. 

I developed a healthy respect for weapons and I get upset when I see idiots doing dangerous things with them. I feel privileged that I know how to fire guns, ride horses, muster, fish, although I don't like the latter much, etcetera. Others my age were never given the opportunity. 

Anyway, the point is that the video was funny but I hope I never meet people like those and respect of guns is very importan, which can be gained at a very young age.