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The use of wheel spacers are not illegal if they are of the type that bolt to the hub and then the wheel bolts to the spacer. They are usually called wheel adaptors to distinguish them from the loose slip on spacer. By being bolted to the hub they then form part of that assembly. I have been involved with the registration process of individually constructed vehicles for some 25 years now via the Sports Car Builders Club of WA of which I am the current President. This question of wheel spacers raises it's head quite often in the ICV sphere of car building and we have had it confirmed by engineers in the field.

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On the Which Car web site the Landcruiser has a safety rating of one star.

 


$71,500  

 
  • 4D Cab Chassis
  • 4.5L, 8cyl Diesel Turbocharged
  • 5 SP Manual
 Fuel Cost from $35 p/w
 
1 out of 6 stars Basic
Fuel Efficiency
2 out of 5 stars(10.7 L / 100 km)
Warranty
5 Years / unlimited km
No. of Doors
2 Door
CO? Emission
HI
 


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Greg 1 wrote:

The use of wheel spacers are not illegal if they are of the type that bolt to the hub and then the wheel bolts to the spacer. They are usually called wheel adaptors to distinguish them from the loose slip on spacer. By being bolted to the hub they then form part of that assembly. I have been involved with the registration process of individually constructed vehicles for some 25 years now via the Sports Car Builders Club of WA of which I am the current President. This question of wheel spacers raises it's head quite often in the ICV sphere of car building and we have had it confirmed by engineers in the field.


 Thanks Greg...as always,you have presented the indesputable facts in a clear and concise manner.Because this rubbish had been extensively covered in earlier threads,I had decided not to dignify the post with a response.As far as I can determine,this thread was about the suitability of a Ford Ranger to tow a 2800kg ATM van,and I offered suitable advice,later pointing out the inadequacies of a couple of other suggested vehicles.When another member then posted a list of vehicles,and their claimed abilities,I felt obliged to point out the inadequacies of all but one of those vehicles to safely tow 3500kg. Then,out of nowhere,a member with an apparent agenda,started listing a number of the perceived faults of a particular vehicle that I had not even mentioned.If rubbish is to be included in a post,perhaps at least some of that post could also be factual? Cheers

P.S This car looks like a capable vehicle? 

 

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Snail wrote:

On the Which Car web site the Landcruiser has a safety rating of one star.

 


$71,500  

 
  • 4D Cab Chassis
  • 4.5L, 8cyl Diesel Turbocharged
  • 5 SP Manual
 Fuel Cost from $35 p/w
 
1 out of 6 stars Basic
Fuel Efficiency
2 out of 5 stars(10.7 L / 100 km)
Warranty
5 Years / unlimited km
No. of Doors
2 Door
CO? Emission
HI
 
 

 In the areas where these cars are designed to be used,safety stars are of little concern. Cheers

P.S I suspect that this is an old website,as the single cab 79 was recently upgraded to meet mine-site regulations? (But I don't really care!)



-- Edited by yobarr on Tuesday 16th of March 2021 06:48:18 PM

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ICV is a "minefield"  which continually becomes more complicated but the "wheel spacer" issue sounds like it is not an issue - a few late L/C 79 owners would probably like to know that.....it generally gets "knocked on the head "  by  " self styled pedantic experts" in conversation. 



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In NSW you are right. ICV's are a minefield, but in more rational states, the process of registration, whilst not without it's challenges, is relatively straight forward and provided you stick to the rules and the prescribed pathway, is not too difficult.

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I am not sure why more people do not go down the track i am thinking of going down.
I am thinking of using a new Iveco Daily E6 van as the prime mover.
Will pull 3500 kg, and plenty of space for my motorbike and tools etc.

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gdayjr wrote:

I am not sure why more people do not go down the track i am thinking of going down.
I am thinking of using a new Iveco Daily E6 van as the prime mover.
Will pull 3500 kg, and plenty of space for my motorbike and tools etc.


 I think a van ( it conjures up thoughts of big, high, commercial , stark and non "stylish " )  is probably too much of a move away from what most feel is "normal" transportation for many people  but as we know "normal" transportation is becoming less able to tow anything very much let alone many of the present day "castles" on wheels .

Vehicles have become less durable and more frail and the vans have become heavier and bigger and matching them up as a "unit" legally has become a "weights" /"capacities" nightmare for potential first time caravanners ( especially for those who "look in to it.." before they purchase..)  



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The Iveco Daily is the same chassis and cab that they build the Jayco Optimum on, that run at 7000kg

Solid c section chassis built for the job.

A run of the mill 4wd is not going to do what i want it for, so looking outside the square.

Added bonus is i can leave the Carvan parked up and head of in the van with some camping gear and my motorbikes in the back.

Best of all worlds.



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gdayjr wrote:

The Iveco Daily is the same chassis and cab that they build the Jayco Optimum on, that run at 7000kg

Solid c section chassis built for the job.

A run of the mill 4wd is not going to do what i want it for, so looking outside the square.

Added bonus is i can leave the Carvan parked up and head of in the van with some camping gear and my motorbikes in the back.

Best of all worlds.


 There are lots of options "outside" the square...... good to see one being used.....



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True, but Graham could be reduced back to one world if the caravan ain't there when he returns, quite possible nowadays cheers

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All of this discussion is exactly the reason I am going to the hino 817 4x4 with a slide on van,
no towing ,
no issues with load capacity,
No need for fancy anti sway setups and fancy tow couplings
heaps of ground clearance for all those desert tracks we want to cross .
I can unload the van in just a couple of minutes,
All push button .
very hard for anyone else to steal it ,
if I leave it up high very hard fo anyone to break into it .
Great view over those high sided bridges when travelling .

Ok so down sides
Have to be still reasonably fit to climb into it , although its not really that bad once you work out the routine.
Turning circle is not all that great, although it was better before I had its stretched by 900ml .

Similar to others .
Fuel is about the same as my diesel 4.2tdi patrol towing a camper trailer or fifth wheeler around the 20l / 100 k,
Which is I believe similar to even better than the Toyota V8 .
Yes I need a light truck licence to drive it but I already have an MC licence .
Speed limited to 100 , who cares only idiots drive over that anyway plus Im on holidays / retired .

Woody n sue



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G'day Woody mate, hope you are both well.

Sounds a great rig mate. Maybe next time we have a face to face I will see the beast?

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Woody n Sue wrote:

All of this discussion is exactly the reason I am going to the hino 817 4x4 with a slide on van,
no towing ,
no issues with load capacity,
No need for fancy anti sway setups and fancy tow couplings
heaps of ground clearance for all those desert tracks we want to cross .
I can unload the van in just a couple of minutes,
All push button .
very hard for anyone else to steal it ,
if I leave it up high very hard fo anyone to break into it .
Great view over those high sided bridges when travelling .

Ok so down sides
Have to be still reasonably fit to climb into it , although its not really that bad once you work out the routine.
Turning circle is not all that great, although it was better before I had its stretched by 900ml .

Similar to others .
Fuel is about the same as my diesel 4.2tdi patrol towing a camper trailer or fifth wheeler around the 20l / 100 k,
Which is I believe similar to even better than the Toyota V8 .
Yes I need a light truck licence to drive it but I already have an MC licence .
Speed limited to 100 , who cares only idiots drive over that anyway plus Im on holidays / retired .

Woody n sue

 

I would love to see some Pics, Woody.

 

KB


 



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KB we are still waiting for the slide on to be built but have been to Townsville and back towing the camper took up our daughters stuff up there .this is a pic of it loaded as we left home in Vic .C3F80784-BEC3-42CB-B4E2-1C10F989D170.jpeg



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Some good advice in this topic.

It is certainly clear that anyone considering towing any large van should look at all options with light trucks and even the larger American Utes which seem to be getting more popular on our roads every day.
5th wheelers are sadly not supported in this country as much as they could be as they are a very practical and safe option.

On the subject of wheel spacers and off set rims, from what I have been told after phone calls to varying authorities, they apparently are now permitted in some states as quoted above but I am lead to believe that 25mil or 1 inch is the maximum width allowable.
It is hard to get definative rulings.
25 mil, will fall short by 60 mil overall for the 70 series rear track to equal the width of the V8 front track so it is probably a waist of time fitting them as the rear track will still be narrower.

Apart from not achieving the same track for front and rear, anyone fitting wheel spacers or offset rims on the rear of a 70 series when carrying weight or towing, it is to be recommended to replace the rear wheel bearing assemblies at each service due to the extra load placed on the bearing assemblies by the offsetting of the wheel away from the centre line of the bearings.
This fact, I might argue would apply to any vehicle with the centreline of the wheel being moved away from the centreline of the hub bearings.
The wear factor on wheel bearings may be less with a lighter vehicle not towing or carrying extra weight.

It is a minefield of information and regulations out there for anyone contemplating buying a caravan and tow vehicle.
It is important that all weights and specifications are analyzed for both the van and the ute and checking all aspects on a weighbridge before purchase will save hassles later.




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Luv em or hate em, out woop-woop most locals buy Toyota, nuff said.

Mine? Toyota Fortuner (aka Hilux Wagon) 3.1T max.

Towed the van a couple of laps including twice on the Gibb, also Birdsville Tk, Old Savanah Way from Roper, and to the top of the tip.

70,000km towing 2.8T off-road without problems.



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8372D7A6-244A-4AFB-837B-A2BEBFEC1F57.jpegAlways said a truck . Light truck isnt a bad option !! Or consideration ? Saw this down the South NSW coast .



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I will be pulling a 21 or 24 ft Jayco Silverline with one of these.

 



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