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Post Info TOPIC: Electric Vehicles - Yet another 'BreakThrough'?


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Electric Vehicles - Yet another 'BreakThrough'?


Just got an eMail containing this article .....  not sure if it is new information but it is the first that I've heard about it ... At least its from the Japs & not the Chinese .. but I'm certain that they will soon follow with their own knock off.

Here's a dissenting view   https://insideevs.com/news/443450/ex-tesla-solid-state-batteries-false-hope/

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COVID-19 stalled a groundbreaking advancements in the development of electric cars, Toyotas solid-state battery.

The Japanese giant was due to unveil a working prototype of its new electric-car tech at the 2020 Tokyo Olympic Games, which was cancelled due to the pandemic. But according to Asian business publication, the Nikkei, this is now due some next year.

A solid state battery is a huge advancement over the current lithium-ion batteries used in electric cars.

Toyota is preparing to show off game-changing electric car tech in 2021.

Toyota is preparing to show off game-changing electric car tech in 2021.Source:Supplied

In simple terms, a solid-state battery is smaller, faster to charge, more energy dense and less likely to catch fire than current batteries. The main reason is because the battery uses a solid electrolyte instead of a liquid or gel.

Estimates put range at more than 800km and up to 1000km, with the ability to charge in under 10 minutes.

These advancements would enable electric cars to be more practical than most petrol- or diesel-powered cars.

The batteries provide other benefits such as a roomier cabin and greater efficiency due to a lower vehicle weight.

Toyota is aiming for its next-generation batteries to hold about 90 per cent of their charge for up to 30 years, much longer than lithium-ion examples.

 

Reports in the Nikkei say Japanese manufacturers are gearing up to start producing the battery tech in greater numbers. The Japanese government has set up a special decarbonising fund worth about $25.5b to help develop the new batteries.

The first working prototype vehicles fitted with a solid state battery are expected to break cover in 2021, although full production isnt expected for several years at least.

Toyota isnt the only brand working on the groundbreaking tech.

American electric car start-up Fisker has previously said it has been investing heavily in solid state battery tech. It is looking to fit the new tech to its low-volume EMotion luxury electric sedan.

Volkswagen and Nissan are two other conventional car makers working on developing the new electric car fuel cell, but both are behind Toyota.



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Time will tell if it is a breakthrough, Cupie

I believe that Mercedes are also in the mix, plus Tesla did purchase a company, that claimed groundbreaking solid cell battery technology

I am sure that I read in the past, that a (much smaller version), of a solid state battery, has worked in a laboratory

Perhaps this could be one of those batteries, which may not perform as good, when it is enlarged

I certainly hope that it becomes a breakthrough



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I don't mean to highjack your post but I figure this is probably a similar battery.....
newatlas.com/energy/nano-diamond-self-charging-batteries-ndb/


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As soon as they do this in a Suzuki AWD, I will buy it. The next vehicle for us will be electric.

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jade46 wrote:

I don't mean to highjack your post but I figure this is probably a similar battery.....
newatlas.com/energy/nano-diamond-self-charging-batteries-ndb/


Thanks for putting that up, Jade46

I am not a techie, but after reading the article, I have interpreted it, in the following way

Although it is a self charging, (spent nuclear fuel) battery, which self charges itself
It only trickle charges a capacitor, and probably only good enough for a UPS (Uninterrupted Power Supply) battery 

Unfortunately not enough power, to drive an electric car, as good as what batteries are already available

This does not mean, that they will not improve on it, as time goes by

But... I do have my doubts, when they say that it only gives off, the same radiation background, as a normal person

Perhaps they had Homer Simpson, in mind

 



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Bicyclecamper wrote:

As soon as they do this in a Suzuki AWD, I will buy it. The next vehicle for us will be electric.


 Horror of horrors.....seems Toyota is planning to release a battery-powered 70 series? You can be sure that I never will buy one....nothing like the sound of the little V8 with 3" pipes,echoing through the bush,particularly in the stillness of the night!Cheers.



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Remember that along with the efficient batteries, we will also need a VAST amount of infrastructure across Australia in order to support our grey nomad lifestyle. We will need sufficient charging stations in the outback to travel across the thousands of km from Sydney to Perth and along the huge network of roads through every state. 

Currently many outback locations can get away with a simple large petrol/diesel tank and a pump in order to refill your car. Outback CHARGING stations on the other hand will have to include a lot more hardware such as, a large number of solar panels or wind turbines, a large bank of storage batteries for nights or cloudy days, and a fast charging station, in order to provide a similar quick refill as for petrol/diesel.

So in order to fulfil everyone's desire for a solar car future we will need a lot of support from the Government and a lot of rich people in the outback.

I'd prefer to stick with my 5.6l V8 petrol Patrol (I just love that engine sound), but I know I will eventually be forced to go electric.



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I have stuffed my car with acoustic insulation, looking forward to quiet cars so I don't have to do this.



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What happens if the battery goes flat on the road? You can't just fetch more juice with a jerry can.

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dorian wrote:

What happens if the battery goes flat on the road? You can't just fetch more juice with a jerry can.




just have to carry a spare generator as well as a spare tyre

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Long range vehicles (semis, ships, trains, touring 4WDs etc) will use hydrogen and a fuel cell to make electricity on road.
If you battery goes flat on the road it means that you ignored all the warnings. I expect there will be capacitor storage in roadside service vehicles to give a quick charge.
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The problem is that we predict the future based on what we do today. The old horse and cart drivers would never have foreseen how we travel by car today. Similarly, in the electric future we will not be driving cars the way we do now. For example self driving cars, who would have thought of that? How is that going to affect our driving? Would we be driving long distance at night whilst sleeping to enjoy sight seeing during the day while the car is charging? Who knows, you are only limited by your own imagination.

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Absolutely, and the rate of change that we are seeing will make our eyes water :)
Changes that might have taken 20 or 30 years in the past will happen in a couple of years.
In the past it has taken a decade or more to develop a virus vaccine. Now we have several within a year.
Exciting times to be alive and witness some of it.
Cheers,
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What happens if petrol tank goes empty in the outback. You just can't walk to the corner!

 

On our last trip we gave someone 10L of petrol in the outback, it was enough to get to a petrol station plus a safety margin, & it was 98! They would have been stuffed at most have diesel. Additionally we carry a tow rope.

 

An 8 year old could work out the range of the car. If you run out of fuel I suggest a few more years at primary school will be advantageous!



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Peter_n_Margaret wrote:

Absolutely, and the rate of change that we are seeing will make our eyes water :)
Changes that might have taken 20 or 30 years in the past will happen in a couple of years.
In the past it has taken a decade or more to develop a virus vaccine. Now we have several within a year.
Exciting times to be alive and witness some of it.
Cheers,
Peter


 I was using medium format cameras & thought it would take a long time to get digital with worthwhile resolution.

Still today I am shocked at how quickly digital photography took over.

 

It will be the same with cars. In our block of units the garage owners have got 3 phase in our garages ready to go.

 

 



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Dogbox

Will you be able to use a petrol generator in the future? If they go out of the production of bulk petrol for cars why continue to produce petrol for generators?

 

Peter

I'm not holding my breath before hydrogen cars and trucks take over the streets. People have been selling the benefits of hydrogen cars for decades and yet nothing has come of it much yet, with respect to infrastructure.

 

For those who expect self drive cars to become available soon, I think you will have a VERY long wait. When I consider that they still can't produce a reliable navigation system after 20 years work, how are they ever going to make a computer that can handle the amazing number of problems the human mind faces every day while simply driving to work. Judgement of what is reasonable is one of the hardest things to wire into a computer (see all the science fiction books about it).

 



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Hi smile

Well while watching the Daka rally tonight, Thursday, they had a short discussion about proposed green cars for future raceing. A battery powered buggy is being trialed now with 500KM range. And a hydrogen powered hybrid that has an onboard hydrogen generator charging the batteries.aww

Both types are expected to be racing in the next two years. winner.gif winner.gif 

Jaahn



-- Edited by Jaahn on Thursday 14th of January 2021 06:21:43 PM

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Look like this battery is still some way off from being a battery rather than a cell:

New battery



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Back around 1900 they were promoting electric cars. Still waiting 120 years later. Limited use in much of Australia until they install power points in gum trees.

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Here you go!,



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nomadz wrote:

Here you go!,


 That reminds me of 40+ years ago in the scouts. We wired up our camp site with 240 outlets which were actually 12v, with a few car batteries, all hidden in an esky.

We had plenty of gadgets running. All the other groups wondered why we had 240. We all acted quite surprised that they didn't have 240. We didn't even say anything at the end of the camping.



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