To avoid High Jacking another topic - Operating System upgrades stuffing up long used "Apps"

Mobi Condo · Guru

To avoid High Jacking another topic - Operating System upgrades stuffing up long used "Apps"

hufnpuf · Senior Member

To avoid High Jacking another topic - Operating System upgrades stuffing up long used

RichardK · Senior Member

Hi Ian,

Perhaps get in touch with OziExplorer, via their webpage, they are very helpful, I have been using it for upwards of 15 years and am very comfortable with it.

Cheers
RichardK

Mike Harding · Guru

RE: To avoid High Jacking another topic - Operating System upgrades stuffing up long used "Apps"

The Belmont Bear · Guru

Same with Apple last year I downloaded their new Catalina operating system and a lot of apps that I had purchased from the App store stopped running - apparently Catlina no longer supported 32bit applications. The response from Apple was that it was not their problem the software suppliers had been given plenty of warning and people need to put pressure on them to upgrade them to 64bit. One issue I had was that my wife and I both used Fitbit devices and they would no longer download data to the IMac so in frustration we just stopped using them. By accident I recently found that by putting the Fitbit app on my iphone I was able to download the data again because the phone still runs the app. Apple has just released their newest IOS version called Big Sur and I dont know whether to risk downloading it in case something else I use stops working. I definately wont be installing any upgrades on my Iphone until Fitbit moves to the 64bit technology otherwise they will just end up back in a drawer.

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-- Edited by The Belmont Bear on Thursday 19th of November 2020 08:43:38 AM

dorian · Guru

To avoid High Jacking another topic - Operating System upgrades stuffing up long used

hufnpuf · Senior Member

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dabbler · Guru

Is that a professional opinion hufnpuf ?

The Belmont Bear · Guru

dorian wrote:
The trouble is that most (many?) of the updates involve security fixes. If you reject the updates, then you put yourself at risk. It's too bad that there doesn't seem to be a way to pick and choose the update components.

Thats true dorian but I have an iphone6 and I believe that they wont be supporting that model for much longer anyhow, I will keep updating the Imac, Ipad and Macbook as they are relatively new. With Apple (I dont know much about Windows) you can actually read the details of any update before you download it as long as you dont have the auto update turned on..

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hufnpuf · Senior Member

dabbler wrote:
Is that a professional opinion hufnpuf ?

LOL No, just a personal one having lived through the progress of the indoctrination of users. I'm a bit cranky this morning, I should have explained my personal opinion a bit better.

Whether a user is at risk, what they are at risk of, the extent of the risk and the required means of addressing that risk could all be assessed and considered if somebody has the information and the ability to assess it. Information to allow a purchaser to do that isn't given any more [EDIT in windows, note post above that apple provides it] (it used to be), it's all "chicken little" you have to give us control or something bad will happen to you. There may well be a security risk "out there" but whether "something bad" will happen to any individual isn't an inevitable consequence. Example: horrible disease covid-19 exists at the moment, will something bad happen to an individual living alone and having no visitors? Risk varies depending on circumstances. If you are someone who uses devices to surf donkey porn (if there is such a thing) sites, you are at a higher risk than somebody who just reads abc news.

People don't want to, and often aren't equipped to, assess their own risk, it's just easier to give over control to others. When the "others" have a financial interest in what they have you do, I don't think that's a sensible thing to do.

Anyway, this is off-topic. The only way to prevent apps not working because of an update is not to install the update or if you want to install it to try to find out whether the app will still work before you proceed, or find out whether you can buy a newer version that will work and are prepared to do that. Each individual needs to decide whether they want to use their device with the apps they want or not have the apps but be "safe" from a risk that may or may not affect them significantly or at all.

-- Edited by hufnpuf on Thursday 19th of November 2020 10:42:39 AM

dorian · Guru

hufnpuf wrote:
dorian wrote:
The trouble is that most (many?) of the updates involve security fixes. If you reject the updates, then you put yourself at risk.
The existence of "risk" is nonsense, it was promulgated by the vendors in order to get people to act like lemmings and allow the vendors to control their devices. It worked.

Ignorance is bliss.

Here is one worm that would have infected a Windows XP machine simply by virtue of it being connected to the Internet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaster_(computer_worm)

-- Edited by dorian on Thursday 19th of November 2020 11:29:58 AM

dorian · Guru

The Belmont Bear wrote:
dorian wrote:
The trouble is that most (many?) of the updates involve security fixes. If you reject the updates, then you put yourself at risk. It's too bad that there doesn't seem to be a way to pick and choose the update components.
Thats true dorian but I have an iphone6 ...

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54996601

Apple will pay $113m (£85m) to settle allegations that it slowed down older iPhones.

Thirty-three US states claimed that Apple had done this to drive users into buying new devices.

Millions of people were affected when the models of iPhone 6 and 7 and SE were slowed down in 2016 in a scandal that was dubbed batterygate.

Apple declined to comment, however, it has previously said the phones were slowed to preserve aging battery life.

The deal is separate from a proposed settlement Apple reached in March to pay affected iPhone owners up to $500m in a class action lawsuit.

In 2016 Apple updated software on models of the iPhone 6, 7 and SE - which throttled chip speeds on aging phones.

hufnpuf · Senior Member

dorian wrote:
hufnpuf wrote:
dorian wrote:
The trouble is that most (many?) of the updates involve security fixes. If you reject the updates, then you put yourself at risk.
The existence of "risk" is nonsense, it was promulgated by the vendors in order to get people to act like lemmings and allow the vendors to control their devices. It worked.
Ignorance is bliss.
Here is one worm that would have infected a Windows XP machine simply by virtue of it being connected to the Internet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaster_(computer_worm)

-- Edited by dorian on Thursday 19th of November 2020 11:29:58 AM

Yet, surprisingly, my XP machine never got it. I wonder how my "ignorant" views about the relative risks of letting others control my devices made that happen?

The existence of exploits does not tell you the relative risk of being affected. Are you scared of catching syphilis to the extent that you wear a chastity belt? No? Why not? Because the risk isn't determined by the existence of the disease. There's more to the assessment of risk than "omg, there's this horrible thing somewhere".

Mobi Condo · Guru

To avoid High Jacking another topic - Operating System upgrades stuffing up long used

Mobi Condo · Guru

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Tony LEE · Guru

Lot of it is because people don't update their apps even when they update their operating systems