Smoke signals?

The reality is there are people who smoke regardless of your opinion or distaste for the habit. It is not illegal to do so and many venues recognise this fact and provide facilities.
Caravan parks do not provide any designated smoking areas so my question to the anti smoking brigade is what would you suggest should be done about anybody smoking there.

Firing squad?

If a smoker in a caravan park has the courtesy to inform others by erecting a sign then don't park next to him and complain. Bit like the airport anology, build next to it and then whinge about the noise.

When we walk down the street we encounter all sorts of smells and aromas, carbon monoxide, cigarette, cooking, antiperspirants not to mention the noise and the list goes on. Get over it...life's too short.
Probably shorter for the smoker!

DMaxer wrote:

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I don't think they need do anything regarding the smokers, Montie. The smokers will do it all for us. If you recall a few years back it commenced with banning smoking from public transport then moved on to buildings, parks,  beaches and finally clubs and pubs. This was brought about mainly from the injuries suffered by workers and patrons being subjected to passive smoking. Such things as the mess and pollution caused by discarded butts also assisted the move to ban smoking. The inconsiderate amongst the smoking brigade will soon bring this on themselves and we will find that smoking will be banned in all outdoor places leaving the smoker to sit at home and smoke to his heart's content (no pun intended).

The ridiculous analogy of considering it to be the same as buying land near an airport is beyond my comprehension. I don't recall at any time when checking in to a caravan park the manager informing me that I would be placed in the chain smoking or loud noise or generator section. One just goes in and then finds that one has encountered one of these selfish morons.

The other bleat about parking well away from everyone is wonderful. If you can park well away from everyone all that means is that you have arrived before others. When the park or free camp or whatever starts to fill up, does that mean that you can still do whatever it is that required you to be a distance away. I guess the old "I was here first so you all have to cop it or leave" mentality applies.

Using this logic of moving away from everyone and being there first and having signs erected or a visible indication of your intentions, does that mean if I get there first and put a sign up that says "No blowing smoke over me, no loud music and no generators" that everyone has to either obey my wishes or just move on?

One of the reasons that I bought my tug and caravan was that in my travels beforehand I had met so many wonderful and considerate people travelling in caravans. I didn't meet bogans or inconsiderate people, just nice people. I still think this way except every so often I meet a few and find it really disappointing.

 

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 Dmaxer,

That is your view to which you are entitled.

Can you or somebody offer a solution.....It's easy to complain. Are you suggesting that the smoker be evicted? Should the CP provide a dedicated smoking area like most other venues.?

Should smokers be banned from CP's?

There is no point in complaining unless you can offer a solution....otherwise you are just whinging for the sake of it.

So the question is what can be done about smokers, generators, engine warming, loud music, dogs barking, loud sex, early morning crows or kookaburra etc.,etc.,at CP's

And don't forget the guy cooking that garlic infused meal on his Webber or the guy down the back murdering a joint of weed!

 

 

 

 

-- Edited by montie on Saturday 20th of February 2021 10:26:22 AM

Montie, you seem to miss the point completely. Society does not have to have a solutions book for everything that may or may not eventuate. It just comes down to common courtesy. If you are in a group of people I imagine you don't start breaking wind, belching and picking your nose, common habits amongst people but something most don't do when around others. You do not need to be Einstein to understand that smoking is no longer socially acceptable by the majority and therefore if one wants to smoke, go away from the others and do it. If you are by yourself or out in the bush away from everyone else, then by all means drag away until your teeth are even yellower and your cough could wake the dead, but when others are around or decide to legally share your space, just appreciate that they don't share your love of a filthy habit.

No one has to be evicted or any other dramatical posturing. All that is needed is a bit of consideration that others are about who may not share your addiction. If one is unable to not smoke when people venture near or are around, then obviously their condition is much more severe and requires some serious therapy.

 

Considerate people - Those who think like me and do what I think to be reasonable and acceptable.

-- Edited by TheHeaths on Saturday 20th of February 2021 12:30:54 PM

TheHeaths wrote:

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Considerate people - Those who think like me and do what I think to be reasonable and acceptable.

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I like it :)

It's the same logic as is used in classifying an alcoholic:

Clearly, it is someone who drinks more than I do :)

Some people are just plain ignorant, I live opposite a national park ,there is a lady around the corner that walks her dog in the national park every day off the lead,

Infact its never on a lead she walks it on the beach just down the road off the lead ,big white thingy it is.

There are signs everywhere of course stating "no dogs allowed" in the national park .

The beach also has a large sign stating "dogs on a lead at all times"

She is very nice to talk to ,Doctors wife .

What can you do ? Don't want to dob her in .

I have spoken to her a couple times ,so now she tries to avoid me ,but still she does the same .

It is one reason why in the end ,the signs go up "NO DOGS"

Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Regards Orid

-- Edited by orid on Saturday 20th of February 2021 06:00:30 PM

DMaxer wrote:

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I don't think caravan parks should have to impose any conditions at all dogbox.  I find that conditions or regulations are only ever imposed when people are either too brainless or inconsiderate to monitor their own behaviour that someone has to do it for them.

As to your definition The Heaths, if that is your view then so be it. My definition is different but there you go. 

 

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DMaxer,

not my definition or understanding, or expectation of others I meet, but is what I am gathering from many on this forum, is theirs.

Dogbox,

I agree, and as I say, my approach has always been to try and accept the actions of others, so long as they are legal. Sometimes of course, you do need to act to contain the very extreme and rare activities.

 

 

-- Edited by TheHeaths on Saturday 20th of February 2021 08:16:06 PM

I live in a court beachside in a suburban community.

The guy next door (would you believe a doctor) is a smoker and the smoke obviously drifts over the wall to my place when he has a drag.

Neighbour on the other side has a very noisy air conditioner. Just about every home in the court has at least one dog....and guess what they bark..funny about that.

The guy across the court starts his diesel cruiser at 5 am....gives it a couple of revs before he sets off. Surfers arrive at 5am on weekends...pretty noisy lot and they smoke..not always cigarettes either.

Of course we have the occasional party.

And then we have those kookaburras and crows at daybreak...noisy bunch.

Now I haven't mentioned the green algie that hits the beach once a year....you worried about fag smoke?  Cop this stuff for a month!

What a shxt place I live .....5 mins walk from the beach....but I do have a choice if I don't like the neighbours or their habits...I can sell up and move on. 10 acres in the middle of nowhere and 75% of my problems are solved.

You know what .....we've got a great lifestyle in Australia...stop whinging!

 

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I live opposite a national park ,there is a lady around the corner that walks her dog in the national park every day off the lead,

Infact its never on a lead she walks it on the beach just down the road off the lead ,big white thingy it is.

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My thought is: is she doing any harm by allowing her dog off lead?

I think where the problem lies Mike is that the dog is then free to kill wildlife if that is the dog's disposition. The dog may well attack another person which brings in liability issues for the National Parks Service. Whilst most people with dogs are responsible there are always the boofheads that are irresponsible that results in these conditions being imposed.

-- Edited by DMaxer on Sunday 21st of February 2021 09:29:59 AM

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Montie, all the poster did was report on how his holiday was ruined by people next to him chain smoking. What relevance is your crusade of self righteousness in surviving urban living got to do with his health and holiday. The things you talk about happen in all suburban settings. Isn't that one of the reasons people get a van and go and enjoy natural settings and beauty? Or do you just look for something or somewhere that is identical in sound and conditions to where you live?

-- Edited by DMaxer on Sunday 21st of February 2021 08:55:02 AM

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 I am simply pointing out that if you park next to a smoker expect to smell some smoke!

 

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And if one comes and parks next to you, then sets up and starts chain smoking as in the case of Derek, what then Montie? Pack up and move to demonstrate to society how tolerant you are?

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 I haven't felt the need to demonstrate my tolerance to anybody.

-- Edited by montie on Sunday 21st of February 2021 06:03:52 PM

Wanda " arguing for the sake of it" epitomises you I think.