SouthernComfort wrote:

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I'm just a dumb Victorian Santa, what would I know? 

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 I didn't say dumb Tony, Victorians just seem to march to the sound of a different drum.

I first went to Melbourne in 1970, for a family wedding

Since that time, I have only drove through, or around that city

I do have friends on the outskirts of Melbourne, and I find Melbourne/Victoria people no different than anyone else

I feel that it was pure luck, that Covid-19 jumped from quarantine to the general population, (regardless of how it jumped), in Melbourne

It could easily have been Perth/Darwin/Adelaide/Brisbane/Sydney, where the virus broke out

I feel for my Victorian friends, in lockdown, and commend them for doing the right thing, and slowly eliminating the spread of the virus

Unfortunately as we all know, (or at least I know), that there are always the few irresponsible people, who spoil it for the many

In Perth (where there are no lockdowns), today they have a mob of protesters, protesting against the lockdowns, in sympathy with Victoria

Some of these protesters seem to think, that it is some sort of conspiracy, by the authorities, to stop normal people going about their business, or words to that effect

Some protesters (in Perth), are saying that unless we open the borders, business will never get back on its feet, or words to that effect

To the best of my knowledge, the only business suffering in Western Australia, are the ones who need interstate/international tourist

All other business in Western Australia, are doing OK, and will probably assist the rest of the country, out of the economic recession

In my immediate family, (working age), I have 2 daughters, 2 fine son-in-laws, 2 grandchildren and their spouses, all working

Tony Bev wrote:

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I first went to Melbourne in 1970, for a family wedding

Since that time, I have only drove through, or around that city

I do have friends on the outskirts of Melbourne, and I find Melbourne/Victoria people no different than anyone else

I feel that it was pure luck, that Covid-19 jumped from quarantine to the general population, (regardless of how it jumped), in Melbourne

It could easily have been Perth/Darwin/Adelaide/Brisbane/Sydney, where the virus broke out

I feel for my Victorian friends, in lockdown, and commend them for doing the right thing, and slowly eliminating the spread of the virus

Unfortunately as we all know, (or at least I know), that there are always the few irresponsible people, who spoil it for the many

In Perth (where there are no lockdowns), today they have a mob of protesters, protesting against the lockdowns, in sympathy with Victoria

Some of these protesters seem to think, that it is some sort of conspiracy, by the authorities, to stop normal people going about their business, or words to that effect

Some protesters (in Perth), are saying that unless we open the borders, business will never get back on its feet, or words to that effect

To the best of my knowledge, the only business suffering in Western Australia, are the ones who need interstate/international tourist

All other business in Western Australia, are doing OK, and will probably assist the rest of the country, out of the economic recession

In my immediate family, (working age), I have 2 daughters, 2 fine son-in-laws, 2 grandchildren and their spouses, all working

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 When all this is 'done & dusted' Tony, it remains to be seen if ALL business's, except tourism, are doing fine in any State and that includes WA...personally, I strongly doubt it, I do not believe that any single State of Australia is self sustainable and at the end of the day, the chickens must surely come home to roost and things may be a lot tougher that many believe.

WA is very fortunate to have a substantial mining industry that is still in full flight, without that, the State would be in deep 'you know what', similar to the others.!

-- Edited by Wizardofoz on Sunday 6th of September 2020 08:51:16 AM

-- Edited by Wizardofoz on Sunday 6th of September 2020 08:53:02 AM

Wizardofoz wrote:

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Santa wrote:

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SouthernComfort wrote:

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Wizardofoz wrote:

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One State is out of control wth the virus, the others are not?

There has to be a reason, either mis-management or, Victorians are a different breed with a completely different culture....it has to be one, which one is it?

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Wizard, may I assure you there is no empirical evidence to suggest that the people of Victoria are a different breed to the rest of the country!

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 To gather evidence would mean asking questions that the loony left, greens, and conspiracy theorists would be offended by, (Melbourne seems to have more than it's share of them) and we wouldn't want that, would we?

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You have answered the question then Southern Comfort...they have a 'different' culture and attitude..

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I'm a bit stumped mate, what do you mean? Your comment suggested that (in your opinion) there are only two possible reasons for Vic being "out of control". I answered your question from my point of view. So from that, how do you conclude "they" have a different culture and attitude?

The post you've copied with the biggrin is Santa's, not mine.

-- Edited by SouthernComfort on Sunday 6th of September 2020 04:51:20 PM

vince56 wrote:

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Just ONE example of the state of bungling in Vic from today's Fin Review,
"Yet the key reason it has taken so long for Victorias numbers to come down with another 63 cases reported on Sunday is that Victorias public health system of testing and contact tracing has been far inferior to that in NSW.
The Premier never concedes this point despite his lengthy daily press conferences."

I also wonder how much of this continuing lockdown will affect the travel industry into the medium to long term, ie caravan parks and all those who cater for our needs on the road. They must be hurting so much and no end in sight with the announcements yesterday from the Vic Premier.

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Indeed, it's just a bad situation getting worse.

Heard on 3aw this morning the Vic govt has invested in a new hi-tech platform to manage testing and contact tracing, it began only last week. No fanfare, it was slipped in under the radar. Where was it months ago when we needed it? We can take this as an indirect admission that the system thus far has been ineffective, many pundits have been calling it third world in standard. How can any of the data to date be trusted.

The 'road to nowhere' released yesterday is so convoluted. It lacks in detail, has impossible targets and people are understandably confused. A target average of zero new cases for at least one month is required before any of the proposed real easing in November. On that basis, all the other states would be in total lockdown right now. It's ridiculous.

The anger level in Victoria this morning is palpable if those who have queued to call in on the radio so far today is anything to go by. We already know that many businesses, especially in retail and hospitality won't recover with these extensions, and many more jobs will disappear for good. This was clearly reinforced by the Retailers Assoc CEO this morning. With no end in sight the knock on effects on mental health are becoming very scary indeed.

 

Can someone explain an "average of zero" for me?

bgt wrote:

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Can someone explain an "average of zero" for me?

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 10 politicians with 10 promises..... average equals 0

bgt wrote:

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Can someone explain an "average of zero" for me?

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Well, I'll try, but it's only how I decipher what the premier tells us so don't shoot the messenger or my interpretation!

He basically said we need to achieve targets based on a maximum 'daily average' of x number of new transmissions for a defined period leading up to the next stage of easing restrictions. The maximum allowable 'daily average' keeps decreasing at each stage until the final one, which is zero daily for 28 days after which we have freedom, in theory. He applied the 'daily average' parameter to each stage, regardless of the final one being zero value. Told you it was convoluted.

Mike Harding wrote:

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https://thegreynomads.activeboard.com/t66947884/not-much-longer/

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 Love it! At least laughter is still legal.

bgt wrote:

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But for heavens sake how stupid do they think the population is? Maybe I don't want that answer.

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 You don't!

There was a survey some years ago asking how much 10% GST on $100 would be.

A frighteningly wide range of answers & high failure rate.

bgt wrote:

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Zero is zero. Full stop. It's political BS like this that "thinking" folks get pissed off with. Sorry I used a naughty word. But for heavens sake how stupid do they think the population is? Maybe I don't want that answer.

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We all know what the answer is.

So do the 500+ medico's and a raft of epidemiologists who have condemned the 'plan' in a letter to the premier with their alternative solutions apparently being ignored to date.

-- Edited by SouthernComfort on Monday 7th of September 2020 10:46:28 PM

I'm very much a country girl. The thought of living in any city makes me cringe! The population in my town is 190, just the way I like it. Having said that, I think the situation in Melbourne could very well have happened anywhere. Don't count your chickens, it very well could yet! :)

 

-- Edited by HunnyBunny on Tuesday 8th of September 2020 01:14:57 PM

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HunnyBunny wrote:

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I think the situation in Melbourne could very well have happened anywhere. Don't count your chickens, it very well could yet! :)

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 Agree.

Covid just keeps popping up around Sydney. It wouldn't take much to get out of hand.

 

Around Manly area, empty shops, restaurants, factories. In our local shopping centres (too many, that's another story & also part of the problem), they are trying to hide that dead look.

We normally have tourists from overseas & other parts of Sydney & Australia.

The media is carrying on ad nauseam about Victoria. It's dead in other places.

The other day I saw seagulls attacking someone who bought some hot chips as they don't see too many chips these days.