Upgrade Suspension on Caravan

robjoe · Member

Upgrade Suspension on Caravan

outlaw40 · Guru

anything can be done if you throw enough money at it BUT from your description of " dirt roads with some corrugations " i would suggest that slowing down and dropping tyre pressures to an appropriate level is all thats required .

robjoe · Member

We already go slow and lower the tyre pressure

yobarr · Guru

robjoe wrote:
We have a Coromal Lifestyle that has independent suspension and 7 leaf springs. We are wanting to be able to drive on more dirt roads with some corrugations. We have heard the suspension can be made more off road. Has one done this? Pros and cons please

Hi Robyn....Later today I will send a PM to you.Your profile shows that you live in Forster? Cheers

PM sent to you.....

-- Edited by yobarr on Wednesday 2nd of September 2020 10:35:40 AM

Old and Grey · Senior Member

yobarr wrote:
robjoe wrote:
We have a Coromal Lifestyle that has independent suspension and 7 leaf springs. We are wanting to be able to drive on more dirt roads with some corrugations. We have heard the suspension can be made more off road. Has one done this? Pros and cons please
Hi Robyn....Later today I will send a PM to you.Your profile shows that you live in Forster? Cheers

Good Morning Yobarr,

Why are you taking interest in people's Profiles. Eg: The above. Why do want to reply with a PM to a Women?

You did the same here, To us, and Last night I picked you up, on another forum,(Airbagman, (Air Bags) With the same.

.Why can't you POST here for everyone to read what you have to say, that is so private. After all it is an open Forum.

Quote: ( Later today I will send a PM to you) ...... Rings a Bell or TWO.

Robyn just be carefull with, how, you reply.

OLD & GREY

PeterInSa · Guru

Re (Why can't you POST here for everyone to read what you have to say, that is so private. After all it is an open Forum.)

I do not know the reason for the above PM but sending a PM rather than an answer on an open forum could be due to......

I think there are some situations where Posting on an open Forum, if the answer is in reference to a problem with a product or service and the product or service provider can get upset with the answer and take legal action. A PM with follow up action by the receiver can possibly resolve the issue.

Another situation could be the answer to the problem could be used in a different situation by somebody else on the forum with devastating consequences and possible legal issues.

My take on PM's there are probably others.

yobarr · Guru

Old and Grey wrote:
yobarr wrote:
robjoe wrote:
We have a Coromal Lifestyle that has independent suspension and 7 leaf springs. We are wanting to be able to drive on more dirt roads with some corrugations. We have heard the suspension can be made more off road. Has one done this? Pros and cons please
Hi Robyn....Later today I will send a PM to you.Your profile shows that you live in Forster? Cheers
Good Morning Yobarr,
Why are you taking interest in people's Profiles. Eg: The above. Why do want to reply with a PM to a Women?
You did the same here, To us, and Last night I picked you up, on another forum,(Airbagman, (Air Bags) With the same.
.Why can't you POST here for everyone to read what you have to say, that is so private. After all it is an open Forum.
Quote: ( Later today I will send a PM to you) ...... Rings a Bell or TWO.
Robyn just be carefull with, how, you reply.
OLD & GREY

Fear not! The reason for my PM is that presently I am near Forster,and in the past I did a suspension upgrade on such a Coromal,so I thought that I may be able to offer assistance? Your comment about ",...picked you up on another forum,'Airbag man' is of interest to me,as I have no recollection of any such forum? If you had actually read the original post,you would have noticed that the member referred to "we" which would indicate that more than one person is involved in this query? For your information,my PM to Robyn was simply to ask what they hoped to achieve from their modifications,what was the van's ATM,GTM,towball weight and axle ratings etc so that a detailed answer could be given. Always I am happy to help,as I did when correcting your total misunderstanding of the limitations of your GVM upgrade,but since I have received no acknowledgement of my final,detailed,PM to you,I can only assume that you still are smarting from the indesputable truths contained within? However,thankyou for your (unnecessary) concerns for the welfare of a fellow member,but never is there any ulterior motive behind any of my detailed posts on topics I have experience with,and understand.Have a great day.Cheers

-- Edited by yobarr on Wednesday 2nd of September 2020 12:50:07 PM

Jaahn · Guru

Old and Grey wrote:
yobarr wrote:
robjoe wrote:
We have a Coromal Lifestyle that has independent suspension and 7 leaf springs. We are wanting to be able to drive on more dirt roads with some corrugations. We have heard the suspension can be made more off road. Has one done this? Pros and cons please
Hi Robyn....Later today I will send a PM to you.Your profile shows that you live in Forster? Cheers
Good Morning Yobarr,
Why are you taking interest in people's Profiles. Eg: The above. Why do want to reply with a PM to a Women?
You did the same here, To us, and Last night I picked you up, on another forum,(Airbagman, (Air Bags) With the same.
.Why can't you POST here for everyone to read what you have to say, that is so private. After all it is an open Forum.
Quote: ( Later today I will send a PM to you) ...... Rings a Bell or TWO.
Robyn just be carefull with, how, you reply.
OLD & GREY

Hi Old and Grey smile

Well you seem to have taken offence to Yobarr's PM. Sorry about that for whatever reason. blankstare But this forum offers two ways of communication, open replies to threads which I do regularly as you can see, and also PMs which I use when I think it suits, either me or the poster. I have done that many times and I have received quite a few also. No problems with any of them as far as I know. If a poster that I sent a PM did not want it then I guess they would let me know, but it has not happened yet. Indeed I am currently in a long conversation to someone about some ideas, that came about after they started a thread. It can be easier to discuss some things and avoid the silly comments and diversions that the open conversations can get into. aww

That is my choice, and your choice is to read my open comments and if you want more then PM me and see where it goes. wink

Jaahn

yobarr · Guru

Jaahn wrote:
"It can be easier to discuss some things and avoid the silly comments and diversions that the open conversations can get into.".

That is my choice, and your choice is to read my open comments and if you want more then PM me and see where it goes. wink

Jaahn

Jaahn,the highlighted part of your post is exactly the reason that I sometimes choose to PM members..Thankyou! Cheers

-- Edited by yobarr on Wednesday 2nd of September 2020 01:17:00 PM

Aus-Kiwi · Guru

A good start would be larger dia wheels if they are 14 or 15 wheels . Gives easy higher ride height . Keeping higher tyre profile it should cover the bad roads better . Maybe better or fitting shocks with attention to strength on chassis shock brackets .

yobarr · Guru

Aus-Kiwi wrote:
A good start would be larger dia wheels if they are 14 or 15 wheels . Gives easy higher ride height . Keeping higher tyre profile it should cover the bad roads better . Maybe better or fitting shocks with attention to strength on chassis shock brackets .

Agreed,Graeme,and this is precisely the reason I sent a PM for details of compliance plate.Above a certain GCM,with 16" wheels for example,the van must have 12" brakes,as I believe that Coromals run only 14" wheels and 10" brakes? Without details,we're shooting in the dark! Cheers

-- Edited by yobarr on Wednesday 2nd of September 2020 01:56:55 PM

Peter_n_Margaret · Guru

Aus-Kiwi wrote:
A good start would be larger dia wheels if they are 14 or 15 wheels .

Yes, larger rolling diameter tyres with higher profiles will improve the ride BUT be aware that larger rolling diameter also reduces brake effectiveness and may result in the need of brake modifications. Either/both will require an engineering approval.

Almost ANY suspension type can be satisfactory for rougher conditions. The requirements are a softer suspension with a generous travel and effective damping.

The simplest, cheapest and most reliable are conventional leaves but with a longer eye to eye length than are typically fitted to caravans.

ALL suspensions for rougher conditions must include good quality dampers.

Cheers,

Peter

ps... I never initiate PM discussions. If it is worth saying at all it may be useful to the "lurkers". If it can't be said in public it should not be said.

Aus-Kiwi · Guru

Yea brakes wise . Its not a race . Most cars etc have 15 or 16 while the sports model could have 17s with exactly the SAME brakes . Agreed the brake efficiency is slightly reduced . The ole equal & opposite reaction . You could say the same with lower tyre pressures ?

Old and Grey · Senior Member

robjoe wrote:

We have a Coromal Lifestyle that has independent suspension and 7 leaf springs. We are wanting to be able to drive on more dirt roads with some corrugations. We have heard the suspension can be made more off road. Has one done this? Pros and cons please

Hi Robyn....Later today I will send a PM to you.Your profile shows that you live in Forster? Cheers

Good Morning Yobarr,
Why are you taking interest in people's Profiles. Eg: The above. Why do want to reply with a PM to a Women?
You did the same here, To us, and Last night I picked you up, on another forum,(Airbagman, (Air Bags) With the same.
.Why can't you POST here for everyone to read what you have to say, that is so private. After all it is an open Forum.
Quote: ( Later today I will send a PM to you) ...... Rings a Bell or TWO.
Robyn just be carefull with, how, you reply.
OLD & GREY
Fear not! The reason for my PM is that presently I am near Forster,and in the past I did a suspension upgrade on such a Coromal,so I thought that I may be able to offer assistance? Your comment about ",...picked you up on another forum,'Airbag man' is of interest to me,as I have no recollection of any such forum? If you had actually read the original post,you would have noticed that the member referred to "we" which would indicate that more than one person is involved in this query? For your information,my PM to Robyn was simply to ask what they hoped to achieve from their modifications,what was the van's ATM,GTM,towball weight and axle ratings etc so that a detailed answer could be given. Always I am happy to help,as I did when correcting your total misunderstanding of the limitations of your GVM upgrade,but since I have received no acknowledgement of my final,detailed,PM to you,I can only assume that you still are smarting from the indesputable truths contained within? However,thankyou for your (unnecessary) concerns for the welfare of a fellow member,but never is there any ulterior motive behind any of my detailed posts on topics I have experience with,and understand.Have a great day.Cheers
Hi Yobarr,
Is it ok If we call you Chris.
That is your name Chris yes? Well Chris Can we reconnect you with the www.Caravaner's Forum.com
(Air Bags (AirBagman) ) for 200 series Landcruisers). Ring a few Bells for you. You must have some recall. You sent out ten odd replies on that blog alone. The 7th October 2018. YES. Yes thats correct.
Oh you replied PM to us on August 25th 2020 @2.15pm.
We responded back PM to you, on the same day August 25th @5.15pm.YES. Yes that is indesputable the Truth, Chris.
The Indesputable Truth's are you need to STOP. Stop it Now Chris ( Scott Morrission PM. (Re the Dunny Paper bit.)
Rob Diver on here is correct about our GVM Upgrade. A big Thankyou Rob.
Lovells are Correct as the SSM. We have placed our order.
We are over the Moon, so to speak.
Look after yourself Chris.
Regards to everyone.
Old and Grey

-- Edited by yobarr on Wednesday 2nd of September 2020 12:50:07 PM

-- Edited by Old and Grey on Wednesday 2nd of September 2020 05:34:58 PM

iana · Guru

I look up members profiles, I like to get to know who I am conversing with, whether they have even bothered to fill in a profile, or are they just Mr X. I also send personal messages, I will continue to do so, and if I choose to do that, it is none of your business.
I think Yobarr contributes to this forum, which I might say is more than what others do. He is more an expert in areas of weight and balance than I am, so I can't and won't comment there.

yobarr · Guru

Old and Grey wrote:

Fear not! The reason for my PM is that presently I am near Forster,and in the past I did a suspension upgrade on such a Coromal,so I thought that I may be able to offer assistance? Your comment about ",...picked you up on another forum,'Airbag man' is of interest to me,as I have no recollection of any such forum? If you had actually read the original post,you would have noticed that the member referred to "we" which would indicate that more than one person is involved in this query? For your information,my PM to Robyn was simply to ask what they hoped to achieve from their modifications,what was the van's ATM,GTM,towball weight and axle ratings etc so that a detailed answer could be given. Always I am happy to help,as I did when correcting your total misunderstanding of the limitations of your GVM upgrade,but since I have received no acknowledgement of my final,detailed,PM to you,I can only assume that you still are smarting from the indesputable truths contained within? However,thankyou for your (unnecessary) concerns for the welfare of a fellow member,but never is there any ulterior motive behind any of my detailed posts on topics I have experience with,and understand.Have a great day.Cheers

Hi Yobarr,

Is it ok If we call you Chris. Most certainly you can call me Chris....

That is your name Chris yes? Well Chris Can we reconnect you with the www.Caravaner's Forum.com

(Air Bags (AirBagman) ) for 200 series Landcruisers). Ring a few Bells for you. You must have some recall. You sent out ten odd replies on that blog alone. The 7th October 2018. YES. Yes thats correct. Sorry,but I cannot find any record of making a post on that day? I am not at all "flash" on a computer,but I could find nothing.Perhaps you could give details of what part of the forum I posted on,as I cannot find anything in my "members posts" folder.

Oh you replied PM to us on August 25th 2020 @2.15pm.

We responded back PM to you, on the same day August 25th @5.15pm.YES. Yes that is indesputable the Truth, Chris

And you failed to respond to my explanatory email to you,made at 6.40pm on that same day.

The Indesputable Truth's are you need to STOP. Stop it Now Chris ( Scott Morrission PM. (Re the Dunny Paper bit.)

Rob Diver on here is correct about our GVM Upgrade. A big Thankyou Rob.

Many times on this forum,and at least once by PM,I have tried to help your friend understand the indesputable facts,apparently to no avail! There is none so blind as he who will not see.

Lovells are Correct as the SSM. We have placed our order.

I am exceedingly happy for you,and I do sincerely hope that all goes well,but you must understand that your GVM upgrade increases your car's rear axle capacity by a miserable 50kg.Good luck with that.....you may well need it.

We are over the Moon, so to speak.

Look after yourself Chris.

Regards to everyone..Old and Grey

-- Edited by Old and Grey on Wednesday 2nd of September 2020 05:34:58 PM

To jog your memory,I have submitted a screen shot of my last PM to you.Cheers.

-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 3rd of September 2020 10:57:29 AM

Jaahn · Guru

Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
----------------------Cheers, Peter
ps... I never initiate PM discussions. If it is worth saying at all it may be useful to the "lurkers". If it can't be said in public it should not be said.

Hi Peter smile

I was surprised to hear you say that. It seems to be a restricted use of forums and conforming to a personal idea. As I said there are two ways offered to communicate and why just cut off one that you do not like ! I do not say anything in a PM that can't be said in public. However sometimes it is better to say something 'personally' and more directly to another member, just like in real life. Sometimes I talk in a group about lots of things, other times I choose to talk personally face to face, similar really IMHO. And I often try to add conversation on the forum that might help lurkers.

I will continue to use PMs and will not be bullied into desisting because of some misguided ideas from some. If posters would actually read the full thread before giving an opinion then the threads would not wander off the topic so fast and be more useful. This one being a good example !! hmm

Jaahn

yobarr · Guru

Jaahn wrote:
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
----------------------Cheers, Peter
ps... I never initiate PM discussions. If it is worth saying at all it may be useful to the "lurkers". If it can't be said in public it should not be said.
Hi Peter I was surprised to hear you say that. It seems to be a restricted use of forums and conforming to a personal idea. As I said there are two ways offered to communicate and why just cut off one that you do not like ! I do not say anything in a PM that can't be said in public. However sometimes it is better to say something 'personally' and more directly to another member, just like in real life. Sometimes I talk in a group about lots of things, other times I choose to talk personally face to face, similar really IMHO. And I often try to add conversation on the forum that might help lurkers.I will continue to use PMs and will not be bullied into desisting because of some misguided ideas from some. If posters would actually read the full thread before giving an opinion then the threads would not wander off the topic so fast and be more useful. This one being a good example !!
Jaahn

Hi Jaahn....like you,I was somewhat surprised by Peter's stance on this,as I am sure that,as a regular contributor,he will have noticed that we regularly get posters waffling-on about things that they do not understand,and seemingly have no interest in learning about.Like Ian (Iana) I look at profiles,as I like to learn about people,and particularly what area they are in.To this end,I have met fellow members for coffee and a chat.Those who do not create a profile, or do not have a biography,are the hardest to help,as always we are shooting in the dark when trying to answer their questions.Silly comments and diversions by others seldom help. And let us not forget the childish casting of aspersions about me simply because the recipient of one of my PMs was female.I shudder to think what can be inferred by the fact that most of my PMs are sent to males. Cheers

P.S The comments made yesterday,at 12.03pm,by PeterInSa are well worth reading too....thanks Peter.

-- Edited by yobarr on Thursday 3rd of September 2020 09:38:46 AM

Rob Driver · Guru

Hi Old and Grey,

Our resident authority on all things 200 series and some other makes has been removed from two other forums for his antics.

His method of communication by private message is extremely annoying and could contain content which may not be correct.

Although he claims his comments by PM may be said on the open forum, forum etiquette says no one should openly publish the said PM.

It is correct that he has PMd me and some others regarding his misguided views on 200 series vehicle modifications, but I did wonder why he would want my email address as well. There are other very knowledgeable members on here who have left the forum or at the least, wont comment any more. At least one of these members was a retired employee of a state govt vehicle engineering department.
His input was considered quite valuable and enlightening with regard to vehicle modifications.

I have previously posted a direct conversation with Lovells with their permission in the hope of clarifying the situation but his relentless attack still goes on.
I have basically given up commenting as every topic where a member asks a genuine suspension or vehicle upgrade question is commenced, it is then locked by Admin due to his antics and real facts are lost.
I only commented here as my name was mentioned above and I am happy that you have your vehicle sorted.

Regards

Rob Driver

robjoe · Member

Thanks everyone for your comments. Just for the record we have 14 inch light truck tyres. We are aware any alteration requires an engineers report. We are only thinking about improving it at the moment. Thanks again

yobarr · Guru

robjoe wrote:
Thanks everyone for your comments. Just for the record we have 14 inch light truck tyres. We are aware any alteration requires an engineers report. We are only thinking about improving it at the moment. Thanks again

Hi Robyn and Joe.....I am presently parked up in the bush near Taree.IF you choose to do an upgrade,or simply need advice,please feel free to contact me,as I am pretty sure that somwhere in my stored belongings I still have a set of plans and technical data for such a project,as well as 'before and after' photos. Should you wish to see these photos I would need some sort of email address... hotmail or whatever....as I have been advised that it is not possible to include photos in a PM.Already I have sent photos this way to other forum members who were comfortable supplying an email address.Simply whacking bigger wheels on is not as simple as it sounds,with offsets and clearances being important.Depending on your weights,brakes also may need modification, which is the reason that I asked about ATM,GTM,towball weight and axle ratings etc.I wish you both well,and I am happy to help if needed.Cheers

Greg 1 · Guru

Quite frankly, Old and Grey, I think you are being somewhat unfair to yobarr. I have not always agreed with him on this forum over some of the technical aspects of caravanning, and have said so but for the most part he has been on the money with regards weights. I have had discussions with him via PM and for the reasons that have been pointed out in this thread. Nothing untoward, just sometimes it is easier to do that without others taking it off topic. I have found him to be a genuine bloke that is just trying to offer assistance. Just because you don't agree with the particular point he is making doesn't make him the local villain. Agree to disagree and move on.