Breadmaker

the rocket · Guru

Breadmaker

woolman · Guru

We have never had a problem with our Breville. Only thing is if off grid i cook at maximum solr input. Do you follow the correct order of putting in ingrediants. Mine is water first, then flour and yeast last. Neil

jade46 · Senior Member

The difference in caravan park power would be negligible. It runs everything else including there large washing machines

Sparkster · Senior Member

I'd have to say when I've suspected we were not getting good volts in caravan parks I've checked the voltage with an accurate voltmetre and in some parks it can drop very low.

So it's quite possible that a breadmaker which I guess could be a 2000 to 2400 Watt load may in addition to all the other quite high loads in nearby 'vans be causing a high voltage drop.

The large washing machines and driers are usually close to the ammenities/residence which is closer to the point of supply and more important to park owners/managers.

It's possible that the volts are low quite a lot but you're only noticing it because the bread isn't baking as you would expect.

I presume you are comparing the baking results you are getting to those you get at home?

Farmhat · Senior Member

woolman wrote:
We have never had a problem with our Breville. Only thing is if off grid i cook at maximum solr input. Do you follow the correct order of putting in ingrediants. Mine is water first, then flour and yeast last. Neil

The Breville help line once told me that the reason they have an order to put in ingredients is only is to avoid uneven soaking of dough for folks who use the timer, ie set it up at night time and have it have the bread ready for breakfast.

If using straight away it makes no difference to any order of ingredients.

I have never used the timer, and when using the breadmaker straight away, it always comes out the same however the ingredients go in.

Joe

-- Edited by Farmhat on Saturday 22nd of August 2020 07:04:14 PM

Whenarewethere · Guru

Have you actually used it on the grid to narrow down issues.

vanTas · Veteran Member

Interesting that you talk of that particular order of loading. We have never heard of it.

We have been making bread machine bread at home for nearly forty years I think, both on delay and "instant". We have made fruit loaves and mixed multi-grain and plain loaves, but always use the "quick loaf" / basic setting - even on delay. On the road and I perceive too many variables and difficulty of storage for everything.

Our machines have either been a Sunbeam, Breville, or a Panasonic.

We ALWAYS put in the dried yeast first, followed by the flours _on top of each other. Then goes the brown sugar, the oil and lastly the water. This way the water is kept from the yeast until the mix starts if on delay.

If we want a fruit loaf I add cinnamon with the flour, and then add sultanas once the mix has been running for a few minutes. No other adjustments made.

We have tried the smaller loaves but get best results using 3 1/2 cups of flour total. Sugar is a teaspoon and yeast is a 1/4 teaspoon. Oil is just a splash of olive oil. Water is 170ml I think - become used to "a full plastic measuring cup", but will need to vary depending on humidity of all of the ingredients. You know it is too much when you get holes in the slices. Always cut when cooled with a fast, close bladed electric knife. When a day or so old you can try a handheld "bread" knife.

We have also tried adding seeds and nuts but gave the idea away.

Flour is always - if we can get it - 5kg bag of plain breadmaking, 5kg bag of multigrain. Neither with improvers. Yeast is always bought separately at the supermarket - vacuum sealed 1 kg block, or a red cardboard tube with a plastic cap. Opened yeast is stored in the fridge.,

Going to do one tonight for the morning.

I would suspect that any low voltage would be a real problem as it would affect the rise time and baking time/efficiency. It would test most CP power / van power systems.

Mike Harding · Guru

Checking, at random, three Sunbeam breadmakers they are rated at 400W, 450W and 700W respectively. These power levels should not cause significant voltage drop in even the worst caravan park electrical systems.

Tony LEE · Guru

Used ours quite a bit, but only on either mains or the inverter. I would have thought the baking part of the cycle would be thermostatically controlled so voltage in would be irrelevant, especially when the loading is only a few hundred watts

the rocket · Guru

When i next go to kids house i will see how it goes.

the rocket · Guru

vanTas wrote:
Interesting that you talk of that particular order of loading. We have never heard of it.

We have been making bread machine bread at home for nearly forty years I think, both on delay and "instant". We have made fruit loaves and mixed multi-grain and plain loaves, but always use the "quick loaf" / basic setting - even on delay. On the road and I perceive too many variables and difficulty of storage for everything.
Our machines have either been a Sunbeam, Breville, or a Panasonic.
We ALWAYS put in the dried yeast first, followed by the flours _on top of each other. Then goes the brown sugar, the oil and lastly the water. This way the water is kept from the yeast until the mix starts if on delay.
If we want a fruit loaf I add cinnamon with the flour, and then add sultanas once the mix has been running for a few minutes. No other adjustments made.
We have tried the smaller loaves but get best results using 3 1/2 cups of flour total. Sugar is a teaspoon and yeast is a 1/4 teaspoon. Oil is just a splash of olive oil. Water is 170ml I think - become used to "a full plastic measuring cup", but will need to vary depending on humidity of all of the ingredients. You know it is too much when you get holes in the slices. Always cut when cooled with a fast, close bladed electric knife. When a day or so old you can try a handheld "bread" knife.
We have also tried adding seeds and nuts but gave the idea away.
Flour is always - if we can get it - 5kg bag of plain breadmaking, 5kg bag of multigrain. Neither with improvers. Yeast is always bought separately at the supermarket - vacuum sealed 1 kg block, or a red cardboard tube with a plastic cap. Opened yeast is stored in the fridge.,
Going to do one tonight for the morning.
I would suspect that any low voltage would be a real problem as it would affect the rise time and baking time/efficiency. It would test most CP power / van power systems.

Yes, it is the rising that is the problem

Sparkster · Senior Member

Mike Harding wrote:
Checking, at random, three Sunbeam breadmakers they are rated at 400W, 450W and 700W respectively. These power levels should not cause significant voltage drop in even the worst caravan park electrical systems.

I am surprised at that low wattage but we disposed of our bread maker a few years ago so I wasn't able to check,

However I have found volts in some parks to be quite low making kettles slow to boil and toasters slow etc.

From subsequent posts it appears more technical gremlins may be at play - good luck.

Dougwe · Chief one feather

Mmm, I aint say'n nuffin about that reply, Rocket. Not me no way. biggrin biggrin

Keep Safe out there.

-- Edited by Dougwe on Sunday 23rd of August 2020 10:24:30 AM

Peter_n_Margaret · Guru

We have been using our Breville in the OKA via an inverter for 15 years. It has a maximum draw of 450W and uses about 30Ah to bake a loaf over about 3 hours.
We sometimes set the timer the night before to wake up to freshly baked bread.
Cheers,
Peter

bobsa · Senior Member

Ok Rocket
my take on the making of bread,

It is not you caravan power otherwise electronic in TVs ,computers etc would fritz and the caravan park would have to pay

The rising is a problem , we have all have had
The fix is easy

1..first put your salt , sugar , yeast , bread improver , and the oil in the pan
2..next get hot water out of the tap,,, hot water NOT body temp Not luke warm,, HOT water to the measure exact as you can
by the time it hits your measuring jug and then the beadmaker pan it will cool down a bit , it does not kill the yeast
3.. mix the water and other stuff with a rubber paddle in the bread pan ( this is the soft scraper for scraping out you cake mix ), I feel that a wooden spoon might damage the pan over time
4.. now put your flour in
5.. set you machine and away you go

I do mine on the dough setting sometimes and bake in the camp oven ,Bread rolls come out excellent in the camp oven

You can also look up your machine on the Laucke bread flour site gives you some tips
Give it a go
Bob

-- Edited by bobsa on Sunday 23rd of August 2020 02:30:20 PM

hako · Guru

Voltage drop should not matter - the dough rise and bake temperatures are thermostatically controlled - if volts are low it will just take longer to reach required temperature but it must reach that temperature.

Good Luck.

Bicyclecamper · Guru

My wife Donna only uses the bread maker to mix and rise the bread, the first time, then we put in our would fired oven. We prefer it that way. Have cooked using the bread maker all the way, but only end up with small loaves. Cooking in the wood oven really adds to the bread so adds pinash and extra taste.

StewG · Senior Member

We have never taken our breadmaker (Panasonic SD2501 240V 550W) away in the caravan, but have been thinking about it for the next trip. I can't see that the mains voltage at a CP will make any difference, unless it drops out regularly. Ambient temperature, humidity and the age of the yeast will probably have a much greater effect. I have been using our breadmaker at home for many years with slightly variable results despite scrupulously following the instructions, measurements and using the freshest yeast. I get the best bread from Lauke Multigrain. It lasts several days and tastes great.

Santa · Guru

I use our single loaf Breville for roasting coffee, have done so weekly for the past 10 years. biggrin

the rocket · Guru

Dougwe wrote:
Mmm, I aint say'n nuffin about that reply, Rocket. Not me no way.

Keep Safe out there.

-- Edited by Dougwe on Sunday 23rd of August 2020 10:24:30 AM

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