campfires are a desease

Onedodger · Guru

RE: campfires are a desease

Bobdown · Guru

Orid you can move in next to me.......there is a vacant block next door biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin

I'll save you a chair.

Cheers Bob

dogbox · Guru

orid wrote:

Kids are the most at risk of asthma at the very least?????

we lived with all sorts of toxic, dangerous things in our early years, asbestos was every were you could buy opiates at the chemist cars had no seat belts/child restraints, rode m/cycles with no helmets, no OH&S in the work places, we had BB guns, air rifles, sling shots , they took the lead out of paint an petrol just to name a few

probably more toxic stuff still coming out of your exhaust pipe . if it bothers you a lot buy a good face mask. why should you have to buy a face mask why should people have to give up their camp fires because it bothers you.

as mike stated live and let live plenty of places you can go that don't allow open fires

TheHeaths · Guru

Orid,

I understand you dont necessarily want to go into caravan parks, but unfortunately by choosing to free camp, you accept that the locations you go to may also include people who like fires, people who run generators, people who have loud music, and others who have other behaviours you may not agree with or enjoy. All those actions I mention are legal, if not to everyones liking, and those who do them have the same level of rights to do them as others have to not do them. Sometimes annoying, but true. I agree they should consider others, but those who decry their actions also need to consider them. It is a 2 way street after all.

That I am afraid is the cost of free camping. When we free camp, we accept that and have to put up with it. The alternative is, if you want rules, or uniform behaviours that are more socially acceptable, you need to consider using parks or commercial campgrounds. My comment to that effect in a prior post was nothing more than a statement of that fact.

That aside, trying to get people who like fires to stop, by appealing to some quoted facts re the dangers of inhaled smoke from camp fires is like pushing the danger of smoking to smokers, drink driving and the dangers of alcoholism to drinkers, and skydiving to skydivers. People only modify their actions when THEY are ready, not others.

It is a quandary that will not be overcome easily, and possibly not without more legislation, which would be sad to see.

dogbox · Guru

as a note to above post some people who free camp do so because their there activities would not be acceptable in a caravan park

Peter_n_Margaret · Guru

bgt wrote:
Regardless of what our opinions are its only a matter of time before the various authorities will make the decision for us. So maybe this thread will become all a waste of forum space.

I'll repeat again. All I want is for campers to consider others be it with smoke, noise or whatever.

Yep.

Already happening. Fires are banned in many NPs already and where fires are not banned you need to bring your own wood with you.

Bring it on.

Cheers,

Peter

Mike Harding · Guru

bgt wrote:
Regardless of what our opinions are its only a matter of time before the various authorities will make the decision for us.

You should be cautious of what you wish, for "they" will not stop at banning just camp fires.

They kill you with incrementalism.

vince56 · Senior Member

Orid,
You cannot go to a free camp or any unsupervised campsites and expect people to go by your rules.
If campfires bother you it is simple, Dont Go To These Places.
I enjoy a pub meal but the way a lot of pubs charge nowadays and the catering for screaming kids with playgrounds etc guess what.... I Dont Go These Places!
Caravan Park with no fire policy is your destination, like it or not.
Your closing line in the OP was "Let the flames begin", trying to ignite something are we?

Bicyclecamper · Guru

I can tell you what pi...d me off the most, when they banned having fires on the beaches in Australia wide in 1989. I understand in rookeries and where turtles lay their eggs, but come on ratty old driftwood, on a beach as a young bloke, with mates and girlfriends , for an intimate party, it is just plain annoying that we cannot do it any more. As for not being very much a polluter, this is true when riding the bike, but, I do use a small gas hiker stove, a twig wood burner in winter and I smoke, so, I am not as blameless as some may suspect. When we c.van mostly in winter, my wife and I are solitary campers, nary do we ever have other campers near us, as we camp in the most way out places imaginable, and have a fire for cooking and heating, as we do not have heating in our van. But the very rare time we have arrived, or are the first one's at a new camping area, that other vanners turn up to, I do ask them first, if it is going to annoy them, have never been told no, but our fires are kept quite small, just big enough for a billy can or our small dutch oven, or BBQ plate, One other thing that does annoy me, is they banned smoking cigarettes in all of Australia's National Parks, 5 years ago, so we don't go there, but camp fires are still allowed.

Tony LEE · Guru

Snippy said 11:39 AM Aug 17, 2020 We have freedom of choice in Oz, if you don't like fires or generators stay at homec".... Always sad how some people refuse to be considerate of everyone else simply because they think the best solution is for the majority to be tolerant.

TheHeaths · Guru

Its not always the majority being asked to be tolerant.

Cupie · Guru

Which lot are the majority in this instance?

Majority of campers or majority of Australians?

Eaglemax · Guru

All this talk about freedom of choice- lecturing to choose to stay home or go to a caravan park etc... what about the freedom of speech to voice your opinion? What if you dont like or cant afford to use caravan parks? Then free camping is as much a right as you lighting a fire. But a few here are expressing their freedom of an opinion that most of you object to. The objection put forward is that most/many/some campers are inconsiderate when it comes to encroachment of other campers environment be it smoke, loud music or other. And the answer from many of you is- buggar you taking my rights away, you shouldnt free camp We all have to get along which means if we disagree then do so with some respect and try to cooperate by being reasonable not selfish. My neighbour before lighting his incinerator knocked on my door asking if it was ok. We said yes and took our clothes on the line indoors and closed windows. Can we give the same courtesy at a free camp?

oldbloke · Guru

It's been well documented for many years that all particulates are not good for your lungs. Some are worse than others, that's all.
Wood smoke is made up of carbonaceous particulates.

I like to light the odd fire but not every day and I keep it small less work that way too.

orid · Senior Member

Jeez Bob I wondered what that glow was over mt Barker ,I can see it from Albany mate:)

orid · Senior Member

TheHeaths wrote:

Unfortunately Orid, most if not all of us have habits or likes that annoy others. We just have to adjust.

well i do fart a lot but not by a fire:)

-- Edited by TheHeaths on Sunday 16th of August 2020 08:36:34 PM

orid · Senior Member

Mike Harding wrote:

-- Edited by orid on Tuesday 18th of August 2020 01:09:00 AM

orid · Senior Member

orid wrote:
Mike Harding wrote:
Live and let live perhaps? If people annoy me I move on.
Camp fires are a basic aspect and requirement of human society and have been since the dawn of time.
Fire gazing is a form of meditation and is positive to our mental health.
Sitting around a fire with friends, or strangers, engenders a bonding process - it is hard to imagine developing social relationships in the bush when sitting around, say, a rock.
Collecting firewood is good exercise.
Man has been breathing fire smoke since the dawn of time - I'd not worry about any long term health aspects.
A camp fire provides an ambience.
Gold medal for the stupidest post here
A camp fire provides warmth and cooking capability.
I like a camp fire.
By the way: how's your car running? And the electricity at your home? Still polluting the planet?

gold medal for these jokes

orid · Senior Member

Possum3 wrote:
From my cold dead hands you'll remove my firelighters.

silver medal for the most honest reply here :) in other words I'll be lighting a fire no matter what .

orid · Senior Member

Mike Harding wrote:
Orid, and others:

What you seem to fail to realise is that your issues are not my
issues:

I'll do my best to accommodate your whims - to a point - but I will
not change my lifestyle because you don't like it.

Any more than you will change yours because I object.

This is life my friends, you really should have learned to live
with it by our age - the world does not revolve around you.

Bronze medal for this, I do not understand One word of this absolute gibberish ,i should have finished High School

orid · Senior Member

Booby prize gos to Orid

Ok thats enough from Orid I still can't understand the need for campfires ,
So I will take the Booby prize for being silly enough to think that I would be enlightened ,pardon the pun,
Im outta here .

Its been a good discussion.

Regards Orid

Tony LEE · Guru

When they start getting personal, you know you won the argument Orid

vince56 · Senior Member

Some choose to vent their frustrations on forums and post things just to get a bite.
Go and buy a punching bag, get a life and leave our forum to helpful and happy grey nomads.

bgt · Guru

I want to change the subject to those who ignore the rules about restraining BLOODY dogs.

I love dogs. My best friend ever was my dog. I have no issues with dogs in campgrounds. But when I step out of my camper onto a huge steaming fresh polly waffle then I tend to get a wee bit irate.

So I wonder if those who don't care about smoke from campfires are the same folks who let their dogs run free regardless of the rules?

Back to the main subject!!

Snippy · Senior Member

Tony LEE wrote:
Snippy said 11:39 AM Aug 17, 2020 We have freedom of choice in Oz, if you don't like fires or generators stay at homec".... Always sad how some people refuse to be considerate of everyone else simply because they think the best solution is for the majority to be tolerant.

So what you are saying is we should all comply with "Your standards" I think you are being intolerant.

Strange how it is always minorities that show the most intolerance.