Selfish morons.

The Belmont Bear · Guru

RE: Selfish morons.

Legendts · Member

SouthernComfort wrote:
Indeed. Melbourne and Sydney have been harbouring the bulk of returning residents before release to their homes locally or interstate. Absolutely correct that the handling of quarantining has been a total c*ck up in Melbourne and is one of the major causes of the outbreak, it's been our version of the Ruby Princess. The problem is exacerbated by the 'don't care' brigade in the NW suburbs. We are told a 1,000 strong police task force has now been deployed to those suburbs in an effort to contain the offenders hell bent on ignoring the new lockdown, but it's like trying to plug a leaky pipe with many hundreds of holes. Our premier, who's blunders go from from bad to worse, has now decided to offer a $1500 inducement to anyone refusing a test - seriously!! Many of us aren't too surprised about the entire mess when the detail is examined...

Right on the money Tony. Dont do the right thing and we will reward you. I just hope the vast majority remember it at election time, but will they?

Legendts · Member

The Belmont Bear wrote:
Just reading in the news that Gladys Berejiklian has limited the number of overseas arrivals into Sydney to 400/day with a maximum of 80/flight. Sydney and Melbourne have been straining under the pressure of not only the volume of arrivals but also the Covid 19 risk that they bring with them. The article also says that Qld residents have been choosing to come through Sydney because in Qid they would have to pay for their own quarantine. Its time that both the NSW and Victorian governments went down the same track and made arrivals who are residents of other states pick up the bill for their hotel accomodation. Alternatively the federal government can spread the load and the cost of repatriating these people more evenly across all the states.
Cheers
BB

Why are they still coming in and how long have they been overseas? Seems to me they had their chance but we still let them in with the few doing the wrong thing as expected with no recriminations or care factor.

The Belmont Bear · Guru

Legendts wrote:
The Belmont Bear wrote:
Just reading in the news that Gladys Berejiklian has limited the number of overseas arrivals into Sydney to 400/day with a maximum of 80/flight. Sydney and Melbourne have been straining under the pressure of not only the volume of arrivals but also the Covid 19 risk that they bring with them. The article also says that Qld residents have been choosing to come through Sydney because in Qid they would have to pay for their own quarantine. Its time that both the NSW and Victorian governments went down the same track and made arrivals who are residents of other states pick up the bill for their hotel accomodation. Alternatively the federal government can spread the load and the cost of repatriating these people more evenly across all the states.
Cheers
BB
Why are they still coming in and how long have they been overseas? Seems to me they had their chance but we still let them in with the few doing the wrong thing as expected with no recriminations or care factor.

Because they are Australian citizens Legendts and as far as I'm aware countries are obliged to keep accepting their own citizens, there may be many valid reasons why these people haven't been able to get back until now. I was working in Africa at the end of March when all the international flights started shutting down luckily (and at a cost) I was able to change my return ticket, make my way to Joburg and get on a flight to Sydney - there wasn't one vacant seat.

I'd like to know how citizens were supposed to act quickly on the govenments advice to get home if they happened to be in places were news coming out of Australia was virtually non existent ? What was the most worrying for me was that if I did happen to get stuck in South Africa and infected with covid I would need to rely on the South African public hospital system and believe me you don't want to be doing that.

Cheers

BB

Kebbin · Guru

My best guess is that these late arrivals from far and wide are dual citizens and things are a bit more out of hand in their preferred residence.

Bryan · Guru

Kebbin wrote:
My best guess is that these late arrivals from far and wide are dual citizens and things are a bit more out of hand in their preferred residence.

In which case they should be responsible for the costs of airfares and hotel accomodation.

Legendts · Member

Bryan wrote:
Kebbin wrote:
My best guess is that these late arrivals from far and wide are dual citizens and things are a bit more out of hand in their preferred residence.
In which case they should be responsible for the costs of airfares and hotel accomodation.

Agree.

BB, fair comment and point in your case and others in similar situations. You would think by now those circumstances would have dried up.

Kebbin · Guru

On dual citizenship, the Australian Citizenship Council report dated Feburary 2000 has put the number of dual citizens at 4.4 million. At the current passenger limits they could be busy for quit a while yet.

The Belmont Bear · Guru

I agree guys I would have thought that most expats would have been able to get back home by now, I also have no problem with future arrivals having to pay for their own accomodation because a lot of them probably are only using Australia as a safe haven. When it comes to citizenship I guess I'm a bit old school I believe that once you commit to becoming an Australian citizen it should be on the condition that you relinquish your citizenship of any other country - what advantage does Australia get by allowing people to hold dual nationality ? Over the years I have been granted residency in Mozambique, South Africa, Oman and Bahrain which entitled me to live and work in those countries I'm pretty sure that if I ever wanted to become a full citizen it would have been at the cost of my Australian passport. Anyhow I don't make the laws I just follow them.

Cheers

BB

-- Edited by The Belmont Bear on Wednesday 8th of July 2020 10:49:17 AM

Joda · Senior Member

Lot of people on here who should be running the country........

msg · Guru

Did you know according to ABC News:

Foreign diplomats are exempt from the order to quarantine for 14 days upon arriving in Australia

A diplomat in his 40s who arrived in the country recently is the ACT's first COVID-19 case in more than a month.

dorian · Guru

The Belmont Bear wrote:
When it comes to citizenship I guess I'm a bit old school I believe that once you commit to becoming an Australian citizen it should be on the condition that you relinquish your citizenship of any other country - what advantage does Australia get by allowing people to hold dual nationality ?

Some countries do not recognise the revocation of one's original citizenship. Also, many people would automatically be dual citizens without being aware of it.

One advantage I have with my dual citizenship is free access to the EU, at least in pre-COVID times. One advantage that Australia gets is the opportunity to deport undesirables without rendering them stateless.

One other possibility is that dual citizens could be entitled to pensions from each country. The Australian government's burden would then be reduced. Or are you still entitled to a foreign pension even after revoking your dual citizenship???

-- Edited by dorian on Thursday 9th of July 2020 07:07:28 AM

Mike Harding · Guru

Joda wrote:
Lot of people on here who should be running the country........

What an arrogant post.

The Belmont Bear · Guru

dorian wrote:
The Belmont Bear wrote:
When it comes to citizenship I guess I'm a bit old school I believe that once you commit to becoming an Australian citizen it should be on the condition that you relinquish your citizenship of any other country - what advantage does Australia get by allowing people to hold dual nationality ?
Some countries do not recognise the revocation of one's original citizenship. Also, many people would automatically be dual citizens without being aware of it.
One advantage I have with my dual citizenship is free access to the EU, at least in pre-COVID times. One advantage that Australia gets is the opportunity to deport undesirables without rendering them stateless.
One other possibility is that dual citizens could be entitled to pensions from each country. The Australian government's burden would then be reduced. Or are you still entitled to a foreign pension even after revoking your dual citizenship???

-- Edited by dorian on Thursday 9th of July 2020 07:07:28 AM

Good points dorian weighing up the pros and cons is probably something that I haven't really put a enough time into.

BB

SouthernComfort · Guru

I'm also a dual citizen with the freedom to live in two countries. Neither requires me to revoke the other. I live where I prefer to live and have contributed wholly to this country, but I am entitled to my birthright. Any benefit I might receive from country of origin is deductible from my entitlements in this country. I'm a cheap shout really.