clevisl hooks

normiek · Member

clevisl hooks

Dougwe · Chief one feather

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To cut a very long story short.

NO

Only D shackles with correct load stamped on them are legal.

I will sit back now as it is possible a can of worms might have been opened biggrin

yobarr · Guru

normiek wrote:
I am wondering if someone knows whether clevis hooks can be used on van safety chains?

Short answer is "No". If you do a bit of research you will find some scary photos of failed clevis hooks. I use latch hooks,and to avoid any issues regarding the mandatory use of "D shackles,I have one of those permanently included in each chain,with hammerlocks,and done up very tight so nobody can decide that they need the pins more than I do! The latch hooks are attached to the chains with pins similar to those in hammerlocks. Really quick and easy to hook up with one hand,even in the dark! Cheers

-- Edited by yobarr on Tuesday 19th of November 2019 05:22:35 PM

Greg 1 · Guru

Just to correct something. There is no legal or legislative requirement to have load rated shackles on trailer safety chains. Whilst it is comforting and probably sensible to have them you can use unrated shackles quite legally.

jade46 · Senior Member

Note the item heading? No I don't want to start a can of worms just a personal observation www.ebay.com.au/i/223608490867

yobarr · Guru

jade46 wrote:
Note the item heading? No I don't want to start a can of worms just a personal observation www.ebay.com.au/i/223608490867

That is a latch hook.

-- Edited by yobarr on Wednesday 20th of November 2019 11:51:43 AM

2weis · Senior Member

below is a section from RACQ towing recommendations
if you google tour question there are a lot of answers all backed up by facts
looking quickly the ones in your link seem quite acceptable

Queensland's Department of Transport and Main Roads recommends that a shackle used for this purpose:

complies with Australian Standard AS 2741-2002 Shackles or other equivalent recognised standard; and
has a break load limit *at least 1.5 times greater than the trailers ATM.
However, this is a recommendation, not legislation. We strongly recommend using a load rated shackle.

Brian

dogbox · Guru

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Yuglamron · Veteran Member

I use Hammerlocks on my Tow Bar's Shackle points. Had a hell of a job trying to hammer the pins into the Hammerlocks.Ended up buying a cheap G Clamp and putting the pins in with that. Now I can just bend down and connect my trailer chains with a bow shackle instead of kneeling on the ground.( Always seems to be Gravel)

I checked a lot of Transport websites before fitting then to make sure they were legal.

Craig1 · Guru

Yobarr , is there an easy way to make sure you get a latch hook that will fit the chain ? , or should supplier know if you measure caravan chain and take info?

Nevd · Senior Member

You certainly need shackles that can take it. However the stamped load rating is not a requirement. For example, my last two vehicles had 3.5t factory towbars - ADR approved of course, and the supplied shackles had no markings at all. If replacing, a stamped one makes sense for peace of mind.

yobarr · Guru

Craig1 wrote:
Yobarr , is there an easy way to make sure you get a latch hook that will fit the chain ? , or should supplier know if you measure caravan chain and take info?

I bought all my stuff at the same time,so easy to match,but if you take a rough measurement,and perhaps a photo of your chains etc,any lifting equipment place will be happy to help? I also bought a couple of hammerlocks so that I could play around with the length of the chains while I was setting it up,so that if the van parts company with the car,the towbar of the van will not be able to make contact with the road,as that is the law,I believe? Cheers.

Noelpolar · Veteran Member

2weis wrote:

below is a section from RACQ towing recommendations
if you google tour question there are a lot of answers all backed up by facts
looking quickly the ones in your link seem quite acceptable

Queensland's Department of Transport and Main Roads recommends that a shackle used for this purpose:

complies with Australian Standard AS 2741-2002 Shackles or other equivalent recognised standard; and
has a break load limit *at least 1.5 times greater than the trailers ATM.
However, this is a recommendation, not legislation. We strongly recommend using a load rated shackle.

Brian

and off course.... they reffer to a break limit.... not the working limit ..... so a pair of rated 1t shackles could be used on a 3.5t van.

Greg 1 · Guru

The load limits stamped on the shackles is a lifting load rating. Whilst it is at least something, it is not necessary representative of the loads that would be imposed with a van coming loose. This is the reason that it has not become law to use rated shackles as the rating does not apply to a towing application.

Stretch60 · Senior Member

Seems ludicrous to have rated chain per VSR but not shackles, however as most have said, for peace if mind, why wouldn't you.

Cupie · Guru

yobarr wrote:
Craig1 wrote:
Yobarr , is there an easy way to make sure you get a latch hook that will fit the chain ? , or should supplier know if you measure caravan chain and take info?
I bought all my stuff at the same time,so easy to match,but if you take a rough measurement,and perhaps a photo of your chains etc,any lifting equipment place will be happy to help? I also bought a couple of hammerlocks so that I could play around with the length of the chains while I was setting it up,so that if the van parts company with the car,the towbar of the van will not be able to make contact with the road,as that is the law,I believe? Cheers.

Yobarr ..

I have read your contributions to this thread & have diligently searched some of the terms that you use, like hammerlock, latch hooks, clevis hooks etc & can't for the life of me understand what your set up is.

Could you please give me some peace of mind by posting a photo of your set up.

It would be most appreciated.

ps. I just use the unmarked shackles that came with the van 20 years ago. I painted the pins yellow just like the rated ones. LOL.

yobarr · Guru

Cupie wrote:
Yobarr ..

I have read your contributions to this thread & have diligently searched some of the terms that you use, like hammerlock, latch hooks, clevis hooks etc & can't for the life of me understand what your set up is.
Could you please give me some peace of mind by posting a photo of your set up.
It would be most appreciated.
ps. I just use the unmarked shackles that came with the van 20 years ago. I painted the pins yellow just like the rated ones. LOL.

Hi Cupie....PM sent earlier today.Hope it helped? Cheers.

Cupie · Guru

yobarr wrote:
Cupie wrote:
Yobarr ..
I have read your contributions to this thread & have diligently searched some of the terms that you use, like hammerlock, latch hooks, clevis hooks etc & can't for the life of me understand what your set up is.
Could you please give me some peace of mind by posting a photo of your set up.
It would be most appreciated.
ps. I just use the unmarked shackles that came with the van 20 years ago. I painted the pins yellow just like the rated ones. LOL.
Hi Cupie....PM sent earlier today.Hope it helped? Cheers.

Hi Y ... Thanks for that ... will be in touch. cheers G

Legendts · Member

Having a 200 series I have rated latch hooks attached to the van chains with hammerlocks and the hook fits the loops on the cruiser tow bar area. Very easy and simple to hook on.

Iva Biggen · Senior Member

Cupie wrote:
yobarr wrote:
Cupie wrote:
Yobarr ..
I have read your contributions to this thread & have diligently searched some of the terms that you use, like hammerlock, latch hooks, clevis hooks etc & can't for the life of me understand what your set up is.
Could you please give me some peace of mind by posting a photo of your set up.
It would be most appreciated.
ps. I just use the unmarked shackles that came with the van 20 years ago. I painted the pins yellow just like the rated ones. LOL.
Hi Cupie....PM sent earlier today.Hope it helped? Cheers.
Hi Y ... Thanks for that ... will be in touch. cheers G

Yobar, a private message to another member is useless to all others on the public forum.

You seem to delight in supplying information in a private manner as this happens quite regularly with you on this forum.

Is there something that none of us but Cupie should know.

Could you please post a picture of your set up so that we may all benefit by your knowledge?

Or failing that can you send a PM at least all the members that have up until this point, participated in the topic.

If this goes against your grain then could you please PM me with the details that you have shared with Cupie.

Thank you

yobarr · Guru

Legendts wrote:
Having a 200 series I have rated latch hooks attached to the van chains with hammerlocks and the hook fits the loops on the cruiser tow bar area. Very easy and simple to hook on.

That is very similar to my setup,but I also have included a 'D' shackle in each chain to circumvent what I have been informed is law? Seems that a rated shackle must be used with each chain(?) so I have two shackles locked up so tight that they cannot be easily undone,thus meeting this alleged requirement.The shackles are attached with hammerlocks so they cannot be "borrowed" by anybody who thinks that they need them more than do I.Whether or not this is actually law,I do not know,but for the sake of a miserable couple of dollars I have covered all the bases,and I can show that I am indeed legal,avoiding the need to argue with any officials! Cheers.

-- Edited by yobarr on Saturday 23rd of November 2019 08:20:26 PM

Iva Biggen · Senior Member

Yobar,
I have sent you a PM, could you check your PM inbox.
Thank you

Legendts · Member

Havent heard of that as law Yobarr. I did check with the local police and told them what I intended to do and they said I had covered the bases well as far as they could see. It could be a real minefield if various states got serious with shackles, but I cant see it happening as too many other important things for them to follow up on.

yobarr · Guru

Legendts wrote:
Havent heard of that as law Yobarr. I did check with the local police and told them what I intended to do and they said I had covered the bases well as far as they could see. It could be a real minefield if various states got serious with shackles, but I cant see it happening as too many other important things for them to follow up on.

Yeah,not sure if it's law,but it is something I heard somewhere.For the sake of a couple of dollars,I've covered the bases! After years on trucks,where I once got written-up for a cracked glass in a reflector on my second trailer,I have learned that many officials have no idea what they're talking about particularly with weights.But they always win,because if you prove them wrong,always they'll win by writing you up for something petty,such as reflector lenses,or logbook hours......but that's another story! Cheers

-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 25th of November 2019 11:56:14 AM

Iva Biggen · Senior Member

Iva Biggen wrote:
Yobar,
I have sent you a PM, could you check your PM inbox.
Thank you

Yoo Hoo Yobar,

Check you inbox please!

Iva Biggen · Senior Member

Iva Biggen wrote:
Iva Biggen wrote:
Yobar,
I have sent you a PM, could you check your PM inbox.
Thank you
Yoo Hoo Yobar,
Check you inbox please!

It appears that old mate can send out PMs but not receive them, or maybe he just does not want to privately reply to me.

HEY YOBARR!!

check your PM inbox, I would like to know how you have set up your safety chains.

Thank you

yobarr · Guru

My previous posts clearly explain how I have set things up legally.My set up allows me to quickly and easily connect and disconnect my chains with only one hand.Unfortunately,I don't seem to be able to locate any photos.Sorry.

Iva Biggen · Senior Member

yobarr wrote:
My previous posts clearly explain how I have set things up legally.My set up allows me to quickly and easily connect and disconnect my chains with only one hand.Unfortunately,I don't seem to be able to locate any photos.Sorry.

Yobarr, when you communicate in a lot of your posts, you have a habit of using the incorrect terminology for many references so a clear explanation or vision would be helpful to all.

When you did it in previous weight related posts most of the information was eventually corrected by others so as to clarify the meaning but unfortunately the end result was that we lost the topics due to the admin having to act and lock those topics.

We may use google and other search engines but if your terminology is incorrect in the first place then we are all in the dark.

Well we are all in the dark except one member who apparently received a PM with the information.

I am basically in the same boat as Cupie whereby he could not decipher your description and to be honest, neither can I. Just read his post above.

I did google the parts mentioned in these posts but I found one of the items I googled was related to some sewing procedure.

It surely is not that hard for you to describe what you may have given out privately so we all may see and assess our options.

So I ask once again, if you choose not to post the information on the open forum, how about just send me the information on a PM the same as you have done for another member.

Thanking you in anticipation

PetenSue · Veteran Member

Iva Biggen wrote:
yobarr wrote:
My previous posts clearly explain how I have set things up legally.My set up allows me to quickly and easily connect and disconnect my chains with only one hand.Unfortunately,I don't seem to be able to locate any photos.Sorry.
Yobarr, when you communicate in a lot of your posts, you have a habit of using the incorrect terminology for many references so a clear explanation or vision would be helpful to all.
When you did it in previous weight related posts most of the information was eventually corrected by others so as to clarify the meaning but unfortunately the end result was that we lost the topics due to the admin having to act and lock those topics.
We may use google and other search engines but if your terminology is incorrect in the first place then we are all in the dark.
Well we are all in the dark except one member who apparently received a PM with the information.
I am basically in the same boat as Cupie whereby he could not decipher your description and to be honest, neither can I. Just read his post above.
I did google the parts mentioned in these posts but I found one of the items I googled was related to some sewing procedure.
It surely is not that hard for you to describe what you may have given out privately so we all may see and assess our options.
So I ask once again, if you choose not to post the information on the open forum, how about just send me the information on a PM the same as you have done for another member.
Thanking you in anticipation

Iva. You had the hide to call people trolls a few weeks ago. Come on buddy. Give it a bone. Once again I think YOU are the TROLL here. Hatred is a very ugly thing.

The Travelling Dillberries · Guru

Perhaps these pics will help, selected from the internet.

Hammerlock, used to join chains.

Clip a D shackle in, very easy.