exorbitant increase in the cost of using M2 and M7 in Sydney.

Jenno · Member

exorbitant increase in the cost of using M2 and M7 in Sydney.

yobarr · Guru

Jenno wrote:
Today I looked at my account held with the Linkt freeways and associated roads. To my suprise the cost of using the M2 and M7 has shown an amazing increase., when towing a caravan as they now hold that a vehicle towing a caravan is classed as =HEAVY COMMERCIAL. As an example a car pays $3.41, if towing a van it jumps to what I see as commercial rates, ie $24.57 one way. that was charged from M7 M5 motorway to Richmond Rd, not even the full length of the M7=M2. My vehicle is registered for private use.
This ridiculous situation needs looking into, this increase probably applies equally in many other areas.

Hi Garry...seems there are now only two classes of vehicles? The first is 3 axle vehicles under 2 metres in height,(cars towing caravans etc) or 2 axle vehicles under 2.8 metres high.I dont know of any full-height vans under 2 metres? Everything else pays top dollar,so possibly worth considering alternative routes,which could be a nightmare for people not familiar with the area! Cheers

-- Edited by yobarr on Monday 21st of October 2019 08:47:03 PM

Jenno · Member

Alternate route unfortunately seems to becoming necessary, when Pennent Hills Rd tunnel is completed I see it costing about $100 return using the entire length of the M7 etc. Anybody would think we don't pay enough with rego, fuel tax etc

Tony LEE · Guru

I'd rather pay tolls than stop at a hundred sets of lights

erad · Guru

The M5 motorway charges for anything over 2 m high. I was charged the truck rate for my single axle caravan (3 axles total) because it was over 2 m high (it is just under 2.1 m high). So I can see these charges no applying to the M7/M2 motorways as well. What about a raised 4WD with roof racks - I am sure it won't take much to put the height over 2 m. There is going to be quite a few people upset about this change (including me). Even to drive a car on the M7/M2 is ludicrous, especially when you consider the original 3 x 3 fuel taxes which were supposed to be only for 3 years. How many years back was that?

yobarr · Guru

erad wrote:
The M5 motorway charges for anything over 2 m high. I was charged the truck rate for my single axle caravan (3 axles total) because it was over 2 m high (it is just under 2.1 m high). So I can see these charges no applying to the M7/M2 motorways as well. What about a raised 4WD with roof racks - I am sure it won't take much to put the height over 2 m. There is going to be quite a few people upset about this change (including me). Even to drive a car on the M7/M2 is ludicrous, especially when you consider the original 3 x 3 fuel taxes which were supposed to be only for 3 years. How many years back was that?

If the vehicle is under 2.8 metres, with only two axles,the low toll applies.Cheers

Yuglamron · Veteran Member

Who owns the roads and pays for their building. Who owns the Airports and pays to build them. Who owns the big stadiums and pays to build them?

The TAXPAYER of course. So why do they sell management rights to private companies who raise tolls to massive levels.

A few days ago even the Airlines banded together to lobby the Government to force Macquarie Group to drop the exorbitant fees they charge the airlines.

Personally I think they should be forced to publish the names of all their shareholders so we can see who owns shares in these companies.

Knightrider · Senior Member

I'm a shareholder in Macquarie, I'm a shareholder in Sydney Airport & a shareholder in Toll Holdings. Not sure what the point is in knowing shareholders, but as a shareholder, I may get a bigger return from these companies now - sorry, but that's part of my investment strategy.

Yuglamron · Veteran Member

Most Australians directly or indirectly through their Super funds own shares in these companies.

They have No say in how much they charge for tolls etc.

How much more sheer profit do the Toll companies make now just from Tug and Van increases?

blaze · Guru

there is a clear choice, pay the toll or by pass the toll. Take your pick, personally I will pay the toll.
It always amazes me the amount of people complain about taxes and tolls etc being too much but in the next breath complain about state of roads and congestion.

cheers

blaze

yobarr · Guru

blaze wrote:
there is a clear choice, pay the toll or by pass the toll. Take your pick, personally I will pay the toll.
It always amazes me the amount of people complain about taxes and tolls etc being too much but in the next breath complain about state of roads and congestion.
cheers.blaze

Ain't that the truth.....I recently heard a lady announce,at a public gathering,that "I don't think the taxpayer should have to finance that.It should be paid for by the Gummint (sic)". And these people vote! Spare me! Cheers

-- Edited by yobarr on Tuesday 22nd of October 2019 01:03:05 PM

Eaglemax · Guru

Tony LEE wrote:
I'd rather pay tolls than stop at a hundred sets of lights

You might but many cant afford to.

Tony

Eaglemax · Guru

Every few years we tow up the Hume to Newcastle via those tollways. Is there an alternative route to Newy and avoiding those money grabbing ars.hole tolls?

Btw we taxpayers here in vic fully owned the tullamarine freeway when toll were introduced then private companies made and are still making profit from them with tolls. Nice one Jeff Kennett.

Tony

Dougwe · Chief one feather

I just got my Monthly Statement form Linkt (VIC) Toll system. I thought I would just check it out and there it was. I used the M7 M2 going up to Townsville in June this year and it was $8.19. I used it again in September just gone and BINGO $24.57

Oh well, I'll still use the M7 M2 as it is only twice a year.

In VIC I am classed as a LCV but on the M7 M2 I am a heavy vehicle due to van being on back. It had to happen as I thought it would.

Bicyclecamper · Guru

Although I don't use toll roads, as I never ever visit the cities, I think they don't charge enough. It should be at least $50 each way for any vehicle, and their also should be a congestion tax in cities of at least $2.00 a km. That would force people to use public transport. If you are travelling on a trip away from the city, you don't have to pay the CT.

Iva Biggen · Senior Member

Bicyclecamper wrote:
Although I don't use toll roads, as I never ever visit the cities, I think they don't charge enough. It should be at least $50 each way for any vehicle, and their also should be a congestion tax in cities of at least $2.00 a km. That would force people to use public transport. If you are travelling on a trip away from the city, you don't have to pay the CT.

You can not be serious,

You obviously have never had to navigate around Sydney or any other capital for that matter in a motor vehicle.

As your name suggests you are in fact a Bycyclecamper.

Well if you are then I propose this, that all bicycles travel only on the shoulder off the bitumen and are not permitted on any major highway.

I also propose that all bicycles are registered and that all riders are licenced and bicycles have a weight limit as well and if riding double file or more your bicycles are confiscated.

Aus-Kiwi · Guru

Plan your trip.Set your gps to no tolls . In most cases you dont have to travel through cbd to get through . Cities seem to be a mig magnet . Even going south from Penrith to Mt Gambier the GPS takes you near Melbourne . I break it up with towns like Wagga Wagga to go through . Yea Pennant Hills road has plenty of traffic lights . But whats the hurry ? Just plan , keep away from peak traffic !! M1 is free . If you dont get flashed !!

PetenSue · Veteran Member

Iva Biggen wrote:
Bicyclecamper wrote:
Although I don't use toll roads, as I never ever visit the cities, I think they don't charge enough. It should be at least $50 each way for any vehicle, and their also should be a congestion tax in cities of at least $2.00 a km. That would force people to use public transport. If you are travelling on a trip away from the city, you don't have to pay the CT.
You can not be serious,
You obviously have never had to navigate around Sydney or any other capital for that matter in a motor vehicle.
As your name suggests you are in fact a Bycyclecamper.
Well if you are then I propose this, that all bicycles travel only on the shoulder off the bitumen and are not permitted on any major highway.
I also propose that all bicycles are registered and that all riders are licenced and bicycles have a weight limit as well and if riding double file or more your bicycles are confiscated.

Seven hours before you post this tripe you call another member a troll. Mmmmmm. Whos the troll here. Even your name is a troll.

Iva Biggen · Senior Member

PetenSue wrote:
Iva Biggen wrote:
Bicyclecamper wrote:
Although I don't use toll roads, as I never ever visit the cities, I think they don't charge enough. It should be at least $50 each way for any vehicle, and their also should be a congestion tax in cities of at least $2.00 a km. That would force people to use public transport. If you are travelling on a trip away from the city, you don't have to pay the CT.
You can not be serious,
You obviously have never had to navigate around Sydney or any other capital for that matter in a motor vehicle.
As your name suggests you are in fact a Bycyclecamper.
Well if you are then I propose this, that all bicycles travel only on the shoulder off the bitumen and are not permitted on any major highway.
I also propose that all bicycles are registered and that all riders are licenced and bicycles have a weight limit as well and if riding double file or more your bicycles are confiscated.

Seven hours before you post this tripe you call another member a troll. Mmmmmm. Whos the troll here. Even your name is a troll.

Really...

my name is Ivan Biggs and I have made a forum name from a derivative, be it a funny one, from my name,

I am not a troll and I challenge this Bicycle dude to identify himself.

If anyone thinks for one minute that this character is for real as a caravanner then ask him to double dink you on his bike to his caravan and towing vehicle.

Whenarewethere · Guru

I live on Sydney's northern beaches & if you travel during the middle of the day across Sydney the traffic is bearable. I avoid tolls like the plague & I'm not towing.

If you followed the GPS for the Great Central Road you go around in circles & detours beyond comprehension. Same on Gibb River Road.

Greg 1 · Guru

Thankfully I live in one of the sensible states that doesn't have tolls and it would be political suicide for a government to think about bringing them in here. When I travel to the east I avoid them like the plague. Sydney, Melbourne & Brisbane miss out on my tourist dollars.

Ger08 · Senior Member

Like Greg I live in a sensible state that hasnt gone down the path of selling off the the roads to private companies. Ive always wondered how they enforce these charges on vehicles from a different state?

Whenarewethere · Guru

Number plate recognition & you get an invoice in the mail, you are also charged extra if you don't have an Etag.

Kebbin · Guru

AusKiwi you live in Greater Sydney, so how on earth do you think that setting your GPS to no tolls is going to work out?

-- Edited by Kebbin on Wednesday 23rd of October 2019 07:54:42 AM

Eaglemax · Guru

Iva Biggen wrote:
PetenSue wrote:
Iva Biggen wrote:
Bicyclecamper wrote:
Although I don't use toll roads, as I never ever visit the cities, I think they don't charge enough. It should be at least $50 each way for any vehicle, and their also should be a congestion tax in cities of at least $2.00 a km. That would force people to use public transport. If you are travelling on a trip away from the city, you don't have to pay the CT.
You can not be serious,
You obviously have never had to navigate around Sydney or any other capital for that matter in a motor vehicle.
As your name suggests you are in fact a Bycyclecamper.
Well if you are then I propose this, that all bicycles travel only on the shoulder off the bitumen and are not permitted on any major highway.
I also propose that all bicycles are registered and that all riders are licenced and bicycles have a weight limit as well and if riding double file or more your bicycles are confiscated.

Seven hours before you post this tripe you call another member a troll. Mmmmmm. Whos the troll here. Even your name is a troll.
Really...
my name is Ivan Biggs and I have made a forum name from a derivative, be it a funny one, from my name,
I am not a troll and I challenge this Bicycle dude to identify himself.
If anyone thinks for one minute that this character is for real as a caravanner then ask him to double dink you on his bike to his caravan and towing vehicle.

Bicyclecamper has participated in many topics about his caravan/camper. He does not need to identify himself at all nor prove himself.

While his mention of his toll costs are over the top with price eg $50 and $2/km his principle sounds good to me to lower congestion.

This country would not have the traffic problems it has if decentralisation was introduced decades ago.

yobarr · Guru

Eaglemax wrote:
Iva Biggen wrote:
PetenSue wrote:
Seven hours before you post this tripe you call another member a troll. Mmmmmm. Whos the troll here. Even your name is a troll.

Really...my name is Ivan Biggs and I have made a forum name from a derivative, be it a funny one, from my name, I am not a troll and I challenge this Bicycle dude to identify himself.If anyone thinks for one minute that this character is for real as a caravanner then ask him to double dink you on his bike to his caravan and towing vehicle.

Bicyclecamper has participated in many topics about his caravan/camper. He does not need to identify himself at all nor prove himself.

While his mention of his toll costs are over the top with price eg $50 and $2/km his principle sounds good to me to lower congestion.

This country would not have the traffic problems it has if decentralisation was introduced decades ago.

While I agree that Bicycle Campers suggested tolls are a "bit" high,the concept is good. During my travels around the world I met many people who never had driven a car,and relied solely on public transport.Imagine the attraction for tourists,and others,if all public transport was free,financed by a a small fuel surcharge.Although I understand that many people may need their cars during the day,a percentage of commuters surely would take advantage of free travel,thus reducing congestion,as well as them not having to pay for parking? Instead of often running almost empty,trains and buses would be better utilised.......I expect that the cost of running a loaded train or bus would be only slightly greater than the cost of empty running? Cheers.

Finny · Newbie

Back to the point.
A caravan is not a heavy vehicle, height has nothing to do with road wear and tare. I am happy to pay a toll for my van eg. double car toll. A caravan is only another car its not a 50ton rig.
So if I put a canoe on the roof of my car (4x4) I am considered a heavy vehicle, give me a brake.
Write to your local state member, I have and if everyone on this forum did the same maybe something would happen.
We have the numbers so lets make it happen.
Cheers

Iva Biggen · Senior Member

Eaglemax wrote:
Iva Biggen wrote:
PetenSue wrote:
Iva Biggen wrote:
Bicyclecamper wrote:
Although I don't use toll roads, as I never ever visit the cities, I think they don't charge enough. It should be at least $50 each way for any vehicle, and their also should be a congestion tax in cities of at least $2.00 a km. That would force people to use public transport. If you are travelling on a trip away from the city, you don't have to pay the CT.
You can not be serious,
You obviously have never had to navigate around Sydney or any other capital for that matter in a motor vehicle.
As your name suggests you are in fact a Bycyclecamper.
Well if you are then I propose this, that all bicycles travel only on the shoulder off the bitumen and are not permitted on any major highway.
I also propose that all bicycles are registered and that all riders are licenced and bicycles have a weight limit as well and if riding double file or more your bicycles are confiscated.

Seven hours before you post this tripe you call another member a troll. Mmmmmm. Whos the troll here. Even your name is a troll.
Really...
my name is Ivan Biggs and I have made a forum name from a derivative, be it a funny one, from my name,
I am not a troll and I challenge this Bicycle dude to identify himself.
If anyone thinks for one minute that this character is for real as a caravanner then ask him to double dink you on his bike to his caravan and towing vehicle.
Bicyclecamper has participated in many topics about his caravan/camper. He does not need to identify himself at all nor prove himself.
While his mention of his toll costs are over the top with price eg $50 and $2/km his principle sounds good to me to lower congestion.
This country would not have the traffic problems it has if decentralisation was introduced decades ago.

Hi Eaglemax,

Interesting that if I challenge someone to identify themselves you suggest that it is not necessary however when I am challenged in another topic even asking for me to supply a photo then that just seems to be accepted.

In this topic.

https://thegreynomads.activeboard.com/t65988937/looking-for-a-place/

I actually contributed in that thread in a constructive manner, unlike the forum troll that is sending forum enquires by PM. and dragging almost every topic he posts in way off topic just to suit his own agenda of promoting a certain model vehicle and a certain company for modifications. Here is a recent example of his trolling. https://thegreynomads.activeboard.com/t65973083/bent-chassis/

By all means if your reply is so derogatory that it needs to be private then use the PM function but there is no need to advertise the fact in a public post.

Here is the topic link. https://thegreynomads.activeboard.com/t65988937/looking-for-a-place/

Bicycle campers suggestion would create massive chaos in Sydney and surrounds but it would not worry him as he has stated he never goes there.

My opinion is just as entitled as is his.

Anyway keep supporting these trolls at the eventual demise of what could be a good forum.

-- Edited by Iva Biggen on Wednesday 23rd of October 2019 09:13:25 AM

yobarr · Guru

Finny wrote:
A caravan is only another car its not a 50ton rig.
So if I put a canoe on the roof of my car (4x4) I am considered a heavy vehicle, give me a brake.

You probably would "get a break".........the higher toll applies only if your two axle vehicle exceeds 2800mm in height.Cheers

-- Edited by yobarr on Wednesday 23rd of October 2019 10:03:41 AM

wasn_me · Guru

Does this change apply to the Logan Motor Way in QLD? I use it regularly. There's two tolls to get across it. Cheers Pete