Mitsubishi Pajero

Greg 1 · Guru

RE: Mitsubishi Pajero

yobarr · Guru

Greg 1 wrote:
Yobarr just to correct you on the McHitch. Assuming that we take the centre line of the universal joint as the load point it is exactly 90mm behind the centre line of where a normal towball bolt fits. I have measured it. Do the math and you will find that moving the lever out 90mm will apply such a small difference in the cars rear axle load that I would defy you or anyone else to feel that in the car. The carton of beer you have just loaded into the back of your vehicle would have a similar effect. Having towed many rigs with 3 different types of hitches and having done about 50,000ks with the McHitch over all types of roads, I think that I am qualified to comment that it's a bloody excellent product and you should not rubbish something until you have used one to the extent that I and other forum members have.

Hi Greg....any increase in TBO will increase weight applied to rear axle,with an associated increase in instability.I do not know what size McHitch you measured, but the 4.5 ton unit I have is 150mm from centre line of normal towball to centre of universal.Given that it never is wise to buy the smallest possible unit,I suggest that the 4.5 ton unit would be a good option for 3500kg ATM?And please do not forget that in the vast majority of cases,users of McHitch have fitted the universal cure-all WDH,which again increases TBO by at least 100mm.My original figure was a guess,but subsequent measurements show that it was right on the money.No matter how anyone tries to trivialise the matter,or minimise the effects,a McHitch increases TBO,increases weight on the rear axle and increases instability. Sad,inconvenient,indisputable fact.Cheers

P.S Assuming the average TBO is around 1400mm,the 150-200mm increase adds between 10% and 14% extra weight to the rear axle.....hardly a small difference? And how would you reach the beer if it is in the back?

-- Edited by yobarr on Friday 2nd of August 2019 12:41:10 PM

yobarr · Guru

moamajohn wrote:
Hey Chris If you scroll back it appears that you are clearly monopolising this topic and frankly moving away from the topic also by your overly detailed paragraphs because you won,t let go ! We other folk just enjoy our vans for good or bad as we see fit .I for one don,t give a rats how others perceive my towing capabilities to be since I have covered many kays with my current set up . Life is too short to get into problems that folk need to do without others giving conflicting views that frankly bewilder them .Any how you clearly are most knowledgeable about your field ,however folk need to make their own decisions .Cheers mate . john. -- Edited by moamajohn on Thursday 1st of August 2019 08:11:00 PM

Hi John...Experience on this forum tells me that very few people actually read the the posts,rather simply look at them.By giving perhaps overly detailed paragraphs to explain what I am saying,there surely is a greater chance that readers will understand? If ever there is any confusion,and any member would prefer to PM me to avoid public scrutiny,that is fine... always I am happy to help.You are well entitled to not give a rats about your towing capabilities,and it is great that to read that you have covered many kays,but as one of few who understands weights,I feel that I have a moral obligation to point out any illegalities....and many/most vehicles are indeed illegally loaded........as I would hate to read that someone we know of had killed themselves or others by driving an illegally overloaded car,when perhaps I could have done something to prevent that. Think Walcha......that case was on Monday adjourned until August,but two people lost their lives,with subsequent police investigations resulting in 8 charges being laid against the driver.I will not mention what those charges are,for fear of being challenged,but some charges include reference to a vehicle being operated outside its legal capacities.The deceased were the drivers wife and her/their son.I hope that this helps you understand my motives? Cheers Mate.

-- Edited by yobarr on Friday 2nd of August 2019 01:40:15 PM

Greg 1 · Guru

I appreciate your motives yobarr and in most instances I agree whole heartedly with your posts. You are generally right on the money with your description of weights and how to navigate the sometimes confusing mess of numbers that caravanners have to deal with. There are times that I do disagree with some things you come out with and given my background, I believe I am well qualified to say so. It is obvious that you have a unfounded dislike of both the McHitch and WDH's which I nor anyone else that have proven results from both products will convince you otherwise. So in this mate we will have to agree to disagree

yobarr · Guru

eGreg 1 wrote:
I appreciate your motives yobarr and in most instances I agree whole heartedly with your posts. You are generally right on the money with your description of weights and how to navigate the sometimes confusing mess of numbers that caravanners have to deal with. There are times that I do disagree with some things you come out with and given my background, I believe I am well qualified to say so. It is obvious that you have a unfounded dislike of both the McHitch and WDH's which I nor anyone else that have proven results from both products will convince you otherwise. So in this mate we will have to agree to disagree

Thanks Greg,for your kind comments.Regarding the McHitch and WDH,and their negative effects on stability,I would love to be able to agree with you,but if I did that,we would both be wrong! Cheers Mate.

-- Edited by yobarr on Saturday 3rd of August 2019 12:06:06 PM