Do you have a backup plan?

Greystone · Senior Member

Do you have a backup plan?

deverall11 · Guru

Greystone wrote:
Apparently Australia's diesel reserves are only good for 21 days should supply from overseas be interrupted. This started me thinking about the "what if". What if I am at the other side of the country and the proverbial hits the fan and fuel is rationed? How will I cope with that? I have sufficient fuel on board for 2000 km range (no towing), so provided I keep it topped up I should be ok for most scenarios. What are your thoughts?

Analysis: With just 26 days of petrol stockpiled, Iran's the alarm bell we need
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-03/iran-us-tensions-expose-risk-australias-fuel-reserves-security/11272180
-- Edited by Greystone on Wednesday 3rd of July 2019 09:31:09 AM

Good point Greystone,
Perhaps this is the time when we seriously embrace electric vehicles and therefore do not depend on fossil fuel for transport
and are not at the mercy of oil producers.
For the sceptics, there are electric buses that are in operation somewhere around the world, UK maybe.
Therefore the argument about not being able to tow with an electric vehicle is nonsense.

-- Edited by deverall11 on Wednesday 3rd of July 2019 09:47:23 AM

Colin Penrose · Senior Member

Looks like my holiday will be extended. Wooopeeeee

MarkAC · Veteran Member

my plan is to have no plan. just stay longer in the spot im in.

Remember that the yanks only start wars in places with oil, so Iran is on the cards

dogbox · Guru

deverall11 wrote:

Greystone wrote:
Apparently Australia's diesel reserves are only good for 21 days should supply from overseas be interrupted. This started me thinking about the "what if". What if I am at the other side of the country and the proverbial hits the fan and fuel is rationed? How will I cope with that? I have sufficient fuel on board for 2000 km range (no towing), so provided I keep it topped up I should be ok for most scenarios. What are your thoughts?

Analysis: With just 26 days of petrol stockpiled, Iran's the alarm bell we need
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-03/iran-us-tensions-expose-risk-australias-fuel-reserves-security/11272180
-- Edited by Greystone on Wednesday 3rd of July 2019 09:31:09 AM

Good point Greystone,
Perhaps this is the time when we seriously embrace electric vehicles and therefore do not depend on fossil fuel for transport
and are not at the mercy of oil producers.
For the sceptics, there are electric buses that are in operation somewhere around the world, UK maybe.
Therefore the argument about not being able to tow with an electric vehicle is nonsense.

-- Edited by deverall11 on Wednesday 3rd of July 2019 09:47:23 AM

cost maybe the main factor

blissonwheels · Senior Member

Gooday,

It is all very fine to promote Electric Vehicles but I do not think it will make it any more reliable in the long run, there is a reluctance to build any more Power Stations, yes there is lots of money going into Solar and Wind Generation but you cannot store electricity but you can store Diesel or Petrol, think whatever mode you have a Bicycle will be a good backup.

Cheers,

Knight · Senior Member

Oil refineries in Australia

aip.com.au/sites/default/files/download-files/2017-09/At%20a%20Glance%20Australian%20Oil%20Refineries.pdf

Plain Truth · Guru

"greystone" don't worry,it was the same as this time last year.

Just enjoy your holiday,and remember the song"Que Sera"

Life goes on,to short to worry.

the rocket · Guru

Greystone wrote:
Apparently Australia's diesel reserves are only good for 21 days should supply from overseas be interrupted. This started me thinking about the "what if". What if I am at the other side of the country and the proverbial hits the fan and fuel is rationed? How will I cope with that? I have sufficient fuel on board for 2000 km range (no towing), so provided I keep it topped up I should be ok for most scenarios. What are your thoughts?

Analysis: With just 26 days of petrol stockpiled, Iran's the alarm bell we need
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-03/iran-us-tensions-expose-risk-australias-fuel-reserves-security/11272180

-- Edited by Greystone on Wednesday 3rd of July 2019 09:31:09 AM

Have not even considered this. Everyone in australia will be in the same boat. i am not even concerned. If we stay in one place a few months, so be it. No amount of worrying by us will make any difference To the outcome. go and travel and enjoy.

Meredith · Senior Member

If the country runs out of fuel keeping travelling will the least of our worries, more concern about getting basic supplies of food etc, the supermarket shelves would soon be bare when the trucks stop.

the rocket · Guru

Meredith wrote:
If the country runs out of fuel keeping travelling will the least of our worries, more concern about getting basic supplies of food etc, the supermarket shelves would soon be bare when the trucks stop.

Exactly

Tony Bev · Guru

Knight wrote:
Oil refineries in Australia

aip.com.au/sites/default/files/download-files/2017-09/At%20a%20Glance%20Australian%20Oil%20Refineries.pdf

Your link does not work, Knight

Santa · Guru

Media doing what they do best, stoking the fire of fear.

Tony Bev · Guru

I did not have a back up plan, but now I have two

Plan A
Trust the PM to look after me, as he already knows what the problem is, and his predecessor has been working on the problem since 7 May 2018

Plan B
Trust that my fellow human beings will be as responsible as myself

My personal opinion only
If there is a lack of fuel, then it must go to essential services, and I would consider myself (as a traveller), to be at the very bottom of the list
The only sensible plan I can think of, is to sit tight, help others where we can, if we are not locals then tell them what skills we have, and offer to volunteer our services

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Whenarewethere · Guru

I heard on ABC a few years ago that once you take out of the equation all the fuel sitting in downstream tanks, petrol stations & vehicles, on farms & big users own storage etc, we really only have about 9 days of fuel.

We are supposed to have 90 days reserve according to an international protocol.

As far as fuel for food. For 1 calorie of food on the table it takes 9 calories of fossil fuel to get it there & all associated packaging, fertilizers etc!

I can only carry an additional 50 litres, so I can get from Norseman to Ceduna with a few small side trips. After that I walk!

PeterX · Senior Member

Re link does not work ... copy and paste into your browser address bar, and the pdf file downloads...

aip.com.au/sites/default/files/download-files/2017-09/At%20a%20Glance%20Australian%20Oil%20Refineries.pdf

2foot6 · Veteran Member

I have two plans in place if we run out of fuel...

Plan A ................. Stay where I am and conserve what I have left.

Plan B ................. Refer to plan A..................................................Peter.

Craig1 · Guru

start sowing seeds of the quickest growing vegetable, make a canoe so we can all hunt dugongs, hope the solar can pump the water for the vegies.

lizard · Veteran Member

Makes me think about buying a petrol vehicle that can run on gas

Aus-Kiwi · Guru

Ethanol!! Like South American countries., if it ever happens ? Just means well be staying where we are for the time being . Just hope its around cattle stations ! Lol Or on coast for fishing !!

Tones · Veteran Member

Can you just imagine what a tangle of extension leads (15amp of course) there is going to be at major crossroads across the country!!!!!!!

Tones

MarkAC · Veteran Member

I'll cross that bridge if/when it happens. Im not going to be a 'prepper' but I will also keep an eye on things. If the yanks and their mates start a nuke war, running out of fuel will be the least of our worries.

denmonkey · Senior Member

I've got the internet and hands Why do I need to leave home ?

Baz421 · Guru

It will catch us out one day,,, our war reserves for many things are probably in the same situation,,

we are not the smart country some think

Santa · Guru

Smartness has nothing to do with it, were a tiny nation surrounded by over populated Asian countries who see nothing but wide open spaces, they are desperate to move in.

Just a matter of time.

We've already handed them Darwin harbour on a plate

Bicyclecamper · Guru

Do I have a back up plan?, it is not a big one, but always have 2000 lts of diesel ways ready in case, if their is a problem. If when have a country wide shortage, will be extra careful, and we will use our bikes to get to town. Food wise we have our own meat, no veges as no real rain, just surviving on clean bore water.

-- Edited by Bicyclecamper on Friday 5th of July 2019 10:43:35 PM

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Olive Oil · Senior Member

I'd cut two round holes in the floor of my car, poke my legs through & do a Fred Flintstone. biggrin

Greystone · Senior Member

Thanks for all the feedback. It is interesting to say the least, ranging from those who call it a joke to those who have some plan reduce their exposure. I wish you all the best in these uncertain times. Safe travels!