Yes I read it. No-one would say that NO older people get distracted, or never do the wrong thing, but the article obsesses about the older age group who are clearly not the worst category of offenders. It isn't "far from being a younger driver problem" as quoted in the study, in fact all age groups are integral to the problem and the younger age group to a greater extent than older. And that's before you add in the all-too-common reckless attitude among younger drivers. The article just singles out the older group as per popular agenda. Balance!
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-- Edited by SouthernComfort on Tuesday 4th of December 2018 12:42:59 PM
All the discussion on this topic prompted me to zip thru all the preamble including the report of an award to a Christine Thiel . Not our Crusin' Granny Christine though ... Her awards are related to Heavy Pilot Safety/Awareness.
The focus on distraction caught my attention as I skimmed through the actual academic focused report. I have in recent years, had a few near misses due to being distracted by stuff outside the vehicle, so that aspect was of interest to me.
So I actually got to the "Conclusion" (I am used to Executive Summaries of Business reports that enable you to quickly get the gist of a report & then go to the body of it if you need more info or to seek evidence. A far better way to present information IMHO).
Overall, far from being a younger driver problem, this review and the ANDS case study demonstrates that older drivers do indeed engage in distracted driving and that this negatively impacts their driving performance, more so than younger drivers.
However, there is evidence that older drivers regulate the type and timing of the tasks they engage in.
More specifically, older drivers engage in secondary tasks for shorter durations than younger drivers, engage more often when surrounding traffic is light or not present, and they avoid tasks that have been found in previous research to be high-risk, such as holding or manipulating a mobile phone.
Distraction countermeasures should capitalise on the natural self-regulatory tendencies of older drivers by increasing their awareness of dangers of certain secondary tasks and the driving conditions under which they should avoid engagement.
So as I read it, not such a damming indictment of older drivers after all. Just seemed to say that older drivers did it too (got distracted that is) but had strategies to reduce its impact. Perhaps!
I can understand the way the Journalist might have misrepresented the findings of such a report (Produced I think by academics for academics). But what's new about that in this era of overworked Journos seeking an instant attention-grabbing headline.
Exactly my approach. I've also had a business life dependent on exec summaries, otherwise nothing would have ever got done! And yes, it is the report more than the study which misrepresents the findings - by lack of balance. That's why I think the journo was working to an agenda...
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Sorry John I didn't actually read the document as being a baby boomer I find that my attention span is no longer sufficient to last for a whole 90 pages - just the name of the document was enough to make me want to doze off . I don't believe that you need some expert to do a study in order to find out that when people's attention is not on the task at hand they are more likely to have a mishap - IMHO old or young doesn't really matter maybe what changes with age is the reason that a person becomes distracted.
A little off topic but what really annoys me is one particular well known pizza chain who continually employs young people dressed in a costume at the busiest intersection that they can find to wave a large avertising sign at all the passing cars. You can go on about all the other things like mobile phones etc. that inadvertantly take people's attention off the road but this sort of brainless behaviour is designed to do exactly that.
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You seem to be one of the few who actually read, digested, dissected and absorbed the ACTUAL survey - rather than reading the inflammatory, selective article by the journalist/s.
And yes ... if you look back to my 'expanded' post I had already included the Conclusion to the survey report which, as you have correctly interpreted - "......not such a damming indictment of older drivers after all. Just seemed to say that older drivers did it too (got distracted that is) but had strategies to reduce its impact".
Unfortunately, folk reacted to the "......ill-informed report by a journalist with a misguided agenda who 'selected' a small portion of what was a detailed survey". I admit it was not unexpected.
Cheers - stay well and travel safely - John
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rockylizard wrote:Contrary to your frequent comment to my posts, I did not want, nor solicit comments - I don't post items etc on the forum to prompt, generate, or solicit comment - I post them for what they simply are - information of what I hope (often mistakenly) would be of interest to members of the forum.
Oh, I dunno John....
I think that like most of us extroverts you seek and enjoy the attention....
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I think that like most of us extroverts you seek and enjoy the attention....
Gday...
Perhaps a bit presumptuous Mike
We have never met and quite probably will not.
You know nothing of me, neither me you. I can assure you I do not "seek and enjoy attention".
If you have arrived at your psychological epiphany from suffering my verbose ramblings in the anonymous security of cyber space, you are sorely mistaken.
Cheers - stay well and travel safely - John
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Who to blame with driverless cars ?? Watching the speedo instead of watching and concentrating on driving . After all speed causes accidents..
I mentioned this in another thread. Typically, no-one bothered to respond.
Question: If driverless cars drive "to the speed limit" at all times, how are Governments to replace the lost revenue from speeding fines (for which they budget year-on-year increases)?
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I mentioned this in another thread. Typically, no-one bothered to respond.
Question: If driverless cars drive "to the speed limit" at all times, how are Governments to replace the lost revenue from speeding fines (for which they budget year-on-year increases)?
Gday...
I guess it doesn't really need a response ... the only answer to that question - "They WILL replace the revenue".
It is not like governments of all colours in any jurisdiction are ever stymied in thinking up a 'new' tax.
Cheers - John
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You seem to be one of the few who actually read, digested, dissected and absorbed the ACTUAL survey - rather than reading the inflammatory, selective article by the journalist/s.
And yes ... if you look back to my 'expanded' post I had already included the Conclusion to the survey report which, as you have correctly interpreted - "......not such a damming indictment of older drivers after all. Just seemed to say that older drivers did it too (got distracted that is) but had strategies to reduce its impact".
Unfortunately, folk reacted to the "......ill-informed report by a journalist with a misguided agenda who 'selected' a small portion of what was a detailed survey". I admit it was not unexpected.
Cheers - stay well and travel safely - John
John, I'm sure you knew the topic would prompt and generate comment. However, understand that in this instance some may be more concerned about the reporting than the actual survey findings. It is the biased and imbalanced reporting that has an inflammatory agenda to turn the spotlight on older drivers once again, even if the survey findings themselves may be rather more benign. As the journalists credo goes, 'never let the facts get in the way of a good story'. Members responses are individual interpretations and opinions, they don't need to be judged.
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Thats it Im not getting any older !! As with all these things . Its everyone else that has issues !! Till it hits the fan !! Driving is one thing we should NEVER take for grunted . Mind you our vehicles are like lounge chairs . Too comfortable!! We take shorter trips these days . I used to travel Parramatta to Port Lincoln is one trip .
Thats it Im not getting any older !! As with all these things . Its everyone else that has issues !! Till it hits the fan !! Driving is one thing we should NEVER take for grunted . Mind you our vehicles are like lounge chairs . Too comfortable!! We take shorter trips these days . I used to travel Parramatta to Port Lincoln is one trip .
I rode an 1100cc Motorbike from Darwin to Adelaide in 3 days back in 2001. Nearly killed me, esp. after doing Darwin-Alice in the first day (1500 kms). I was in my 30s then...wouldn't consider doing that kind of length trip these days!
Have done plenty of longer trips in cars over the journey too.
I think these days, I'm coming around to the "enjoy the journey" way of thinking, rather than the "I'll drive until I get there, irrespective of how far it is" mentality I used to have.
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I did not read every single word, but what I picked up on, was that older drivers who travel less, have more accidents than old drivers, who travel more
This (to me, so I could be wrong), is more or less fitting in, with my own limited experience.
I like to travel, and think that I am a better driver, as I get older, as I know what the consequence of having an accident when you are old, actually means
For me, it means that my bones will take much longer to heal, if they actually do heal
I also notice that those of us who unfortunately are not in good health, do not travel very much
Talking of older folk having accidents, there has been a triple fatality, in my part of the world, on a road I have been on plenty of times
Snip from the article) a Toyota Hilux travelling north veered from its lane and clipped a camper trailer being towed by a Toyota Landcruiser that was travelling south. The impact caused the trailer to flip, and the Hilux continued on the wrong side of the road where it crashed head-on with a minibus that was also travelling south. The driver of the Hilux died at the scene