Must admit I was pretty shaken up, and yes the traffic flow was that which was reasonably heavy and not inclined to give way, however I am wondering if the Jayco indicator lights can be seen by vehicles unless they are directly behind.
Are other van built with extra indicator lights standard?

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Gday...

This is rear of my van ... I am sure this is not very different to other vans ... although I have always liked the biggish style of the rear lights.

Cheers - John

I think for sure their is a case for indicators on the side of vans. Coming from a law enforcement background I'm wondering about the legalities. Clearance lights are red facing the rear, yellow facing the front...why havent we had side indicators also in those clusters? Is it illegal for some reason not known to us? I think the relevant area is Australian Design Rule 6/00 direction indicators. Topics like height, intensity of light etc are covered. The area of "supplementary indicator lights" I've found elusive. Commonsense is not involved in law. We cant simply add lights without considering the legal implications so I'm just suggesting getting clarification of your intention to install extra indicators.

Earlier Roadstars had them. Standard.
It's easy enuff to change out the one each side halfway along. for a red\yellow (pointing back).

then run a separate wire from a splice in loom under van.

Or even run a ring loom for Indicators round the van.
With several each side rivetted to sides,

Below? existing ones.

Yeah I had a look at some reg's. Looks like its all legal as Treecrest says, wiring the lights will be no problem. I hooked up the van and put myself in a driver situation in the inner or outer lane, and as I suspected, near impossible to see the indicators.
So new Jayco owners beware.

Haven't gone a put LED globs in your lights have you. Incandescent globes give light out all round and therefore picked up by all the lenses of the lens cover so allowing the light to be seen from the wider angles.

However with LED globes, the light source is very directional and will only be seen from straight on.

I changed mine across and was getting tooted all the time until I realized what the problem was. Went back to incandescent and no more horn blowing.

Now have replaced all lights with complete LED lamps and now even brighter.

Just a thought!!!

Ta

John

The first thing I would do is attach the "give way to turning vehicles" sign, if you had contact with that vehicle you could be in the wrong, if you have the sign attached the onus is back onto to the other driver.

I would have thought the vehicle indicator would be seen by anyone level with the back of the van that couldn't see the van indicator
cheers
blaze

I like the idea of side repeaters. We already have 2 x "DO NOT OVERTAKE TURNING VEHICLE" signs on the back of the van, but it doesn't seem to deter idiots.

The ignorant and arrogant factor overrides the decision of putting on repeater lights imho. I have given up being considerate in overtaking lanes, I used to stay left until the last 100 to 200 metres to allow as many vehicles as possible to pass, after twice being nearly run off into a signpost & fence by the b#stards wanting to get past at all costs and not allowing me to cross, I now put the indicators on at the 500 metre mark and will only allow those vehicles alongside or right on my hammer to pass before I   Move across...b#gger em, I say!

Not sure, but there may well be a difference between changing lanes and merging lanes?

Changing lanes and merging as I understand it, merging is where you are traveling along a two lane road, the dashed markings between them stop, and it becomes one wide lane narrowing down to a single lane, the vehicle in front has right of way. Changing lanes is changing lanes, you have to cross over the dashed lane marking.
So if you are coming up to where two lanes merge, i.e. the middle dashed line ends, but you change lanes back a bit and have to cross over the dashed lines, then that is changing lanes, the person in the lane that you are going into has right of way, however if you wait it out, continueing until the middle dashed line ends, then that is merging, and the vehicle in front has right of way, regardless of which lane they leave.

iana wrote:

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Had an interesting situation in town the other day, towing the van in the central lane of a 3 lane road, I needed to move over to the right hand lane to be at the lights and make a right hand turn.

I had my right hand indicator on for quite some time, and when I thought there was enough room, began to slowly move over. Something took my attention away, and then I heard a horn blaring, looking, I had a car now in a very small space where my vehicle was moving over to.

That car was well behind when I began to make the maneuver. We have found that the indicator lights, are very directional and now wonder if the indicator lights can actuarly be seen by motorists in the lanes each side of the van.

Am now considering putting extra indicators along each side of the van. Has anyone else had this situation.

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 Hello Everyone,

I have done a search on the location of indicator lights & found Iana's query on the location of van lights.

However, am I the only person who has experienced several close shaves especially on round-a-bouts on bright shiny days? My Patrol has the front indicator lamps on the outer extremities of the car but a lot of new cars (especially European cars) don't seem to have the same rules. Often the indicator is placed (as a last minute thought?) between the inside of the headlight & the grill & due to this location, it is generally quite small. And they are VERY HARD TO SEE!

I thought every car that is sold for Australia should be compliant to the ADRs. Have the rules been watered down to suite the powerful European manufacturers?

Rocky Lizard, you seem to know a lot about rules & regulations - do you have any comments? Or do I voice my distain to the Automobile Associations?

 

www.hella.com/MicroSite/soe/sites/default/files/downloads/Hella_Product_Overview_12V-Trailers_LegalPrescriptions.pdf

Apparently not a regulation for vans < 3.5 T

Most semis have them these days and I consider them to be a great safety feature.

Unfortunately most van manufacturers build only to the legal requirement to keep costs down.
If I ordered another van and they offered side indicators as an option, I would take that option.