I had seen the Camps 9 for 89.00 which I thought was expensive but for a tad under 50.00 seems pretty good value.
I have wiki camps but a hard copy in the hands of the co pilot might be handy as well.
Also good if no internet is available when planning the next days travel.
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I have wiki camps but a hard copy in the hands of the co pilot might be handy as well. Also good if no internet is available when planning the next days travel.
Geoff, that's the way we work. The navigator can use the book when I ask her where the next rest stop is if we are needing a rest/meal stop before our destination. She can handle that better than an electronic device.
Although we keep the latest CAW in the tug we don't bother much with the companion CPAW. We do have an old copy so on the very odd occasion we need to find a park address or phone number. That book does not change as much as CAW. For planning purposes I use Garry Strattons MyParkList. It produces maps with coloured pins (red for dog unfriendly, green for dog friendly.) You simply click on the pins for more info.
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Wikicamps will destroy most, if not all, of the good free camp sites in the fullness of time.
I ask, HOW will Wiki camps destroy good free camps?
The problem is that there are a certain proportion of people who camp, caravan and such who are lazy, foolish, selfish, self-indulgent, careless and usually rude.
We all know of these people: They defecate around camp sites and leave their unburied mess and toilet paper to blow around. They throw bottles and cans into firepits. They leave litter. They dump stuff that breaks because they "don't need it any more". They cut down growing trees - even if they are green and won't burn well. They get drunk and shout and swear loudly at 2am. Etc....
These people have always been with us and always will be. I suspect their numbers remain constant across times - in my experience I'd put them at around 20% of the total population of campers.
In the past, because they are lazy and selfish, they have not put any effort into finding campsites. When they want to go bush, usually at holiday times, they just go to the nearest and easiest place and if that's full (and it has to be *very* full to deter them) they drive a little further to the next easiest spot.
That was no real problem because the other 80% of us knew where these people collected and avoided those places like the plague and kept the location of our good camp sites to ourselves and people of a like mind.
Certainly there were books (Camps Oz and the like) and websites which listed better camps but they took effort and/or money to find and the selfish, lazy people were not about to spend $50+ on a book or join a forum in the hope of finding good sites for their two or three bush trips a year - far too much work.
And this is where Wikicamps comes in....
Now, for $5, every d!ckhead in the country has a full database of many of the best campsites in Australia at his fingertips. He doesn't have to make the effort we made to find these places he simply scrolls the screen and there they are.
So instead of most of the d!ickheads congregating in their few camps which they wantonly destroyed they are now nicely spread out across many of the good ones so it may take them a little longer but they'll destroy those just as effectively. We have seen exactly the same thing happen here in Victoria via Rooftop Maps - stacks of very hard to find wonderful, remote camp sites on an excellent map for $10 - no d!ckhead can resist it.
Over the past few months two good sites have been reported closed on this forum and the consideration was that it happened after they appeared on Wikicamps.
I ask you: who really thinks it's a good idea to advertise your treasures to every member of the public?
Dicko, if you have that many problems then I suggest you don`t free camp and stay at home.
The things you listed do happen but is the work of the local louts having a big night out. No caused by someone downloading Wiki camps.
I suggest you change your name from dicko to Dickhead.
Phillipn
I think you have done either Dicko on here a major disservice and insult.
Neither myself Dickodownunder, or the other one, DickO, wrote that rubbish so therefore you need to read the posts in full before making rude comments against any member.
A simple bit of advice from me is " pull ya head in mate"
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I have wiki camps but a hard copy in the hands of the co pilot might be handy as well. Also good if no internet is available when planning the next days travel.
Geoff, that's the way we work. The navigator can use the book when I ask her where the next rest stop is if we are needing a rest/meal stop before our destination. She can handle that better than an electronic device.
Although we keep the latest CAW in the tug we don't bother much with the companion CPAW. We do have an old copy so on the very odd occasion we need to find a park address or phone number. That book does not change as much as CAW. For planning purposes I use Garry Strattons MyParkList. It produces maps with coloured pins (red for dog unfriendly, green for dog friendly.) You simply click on the pins for more info.
They were my thoughts exactly Peter.
My wife is not good with the internet either so I will get the book mainly for the tug and for her to be able to reference easily any points of interest as required.
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Neither myself Dickodownunder, or the other one, DickO, wrote that rubbish
I'm wondering which parts of my post you think are "rubbish"?
Is it: 1 - There are people who have no regard for the bush and damage camps 2 - Such people seek easy to find camps 3 - WikiCamps makes many good sites easy to find 4 - WikiCamps, therefore, encourages bad people to use good camp sites
I think those four points sumarise the post.
I'm sure you will agree that WikiCamps encourages good people to use sites in its database so I'm perplexed as to why you consider the concept that it will also encourage bad people to use them to be "rubbish"?
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Neither myself Dickodownunder, or the other one, DickO, wrote that rubbish
I'm wondering which parts of my post you think are "rubbish"?
Is it: 1 - There are people who have no regard for the bush and damage camps 2 - Such people seek easy to find camps 3 - WikiCamps makes many good sites easy to find 4 - WikiCamps, therefore, encourages bad people to use good camp sites
I think those four points sumarise the post.
I'm sure you will agree that WikiCamps encourages good people to use sites in its database so I'm perplexed as to why you consider the concept that it will also encourage bad people to use them to be "rubbish"?
Mike Harding
personally I think your entire original post was unwarranted and completely off topic... again.
The quotation by you as part of my comment was not directed at you but at Phillipn.
I offer the same advice to you as I offered to him...
cheers
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