rockylizard wrote:

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Mutley wrote:

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SNIP ~ ~ ~My research was done in my driveway! Stock standard suspension, car was empty, not even a driver, supposedly 280kg allowed on the ball in that situation. I put a caravan with 165kg on the ball onto it & the Ute was dragging its arse like a dog with worms. Any modification to the suspension, or just driving it like that over a spoon drain/servo driveway etc & I'd have had a very bent Ute! ~~~SNIP

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 Gday...

So you are saying that if TWO people had stood, sat, lay, or even squatted in the empty tub of your Navara the "arse would have dragged like a dog with worms" ??   

I concede that you were apparently there and saw this, so it is difficult to challenge .........BUT that is INCREDIBLE ! ! !   

Cheers - John

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 Our 2015 Navara sits dead level with a fully loaded tub & 170kg on the ball. No WDH required either. https://www.caravansplus.com.au/catalog/help-tips10.php

rockylizard wrote:

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Mutley wrote:

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SNIP ~ ~ ~My research was done in my driveway! Stock standard suspension, car was empty, not even a driver, supposedly 280kg allowed on the ball in that situation. I put a caravan with 165kg on the ball onto it & the Ute was dragging its arse like a dog with worms. Any modification to the suspension, or just driving it like that over a spoon drain/servo driveway etc & I'd have had a very bent Ute! ~~~SNIP

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 Gday...

So you are saying that if TWO people had stood, sat, lay, or even squatted in the empty tub of your Navara the "arse would have dragged like a dog with worms" ??   

I concede that you were apparently there and saw this, so it is difficult to challenge .........BUT that is INCREDIBLE ! ! !   

Cheers - John

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 NO! What I said was the Ute was already dragging its arse with nobody in the thing when hooked up to a caravan with 165kg on the ball. Reading lessons?

Mutley wrote:

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rockylizard wrote:

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Mutley wrote:

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SNIP ~ ~ ~My research was done in my driveway! Stock standard suspension, car was empty, not even a driver, supposedly 280kg allowed on the ball in that situation. I put a caravan with 165kg on the ball onto it & the Ute was dragging its arse like a dog with worms. Any modification to the suspension, or just driving it like that over a spoon drain/servo driveway etc & I'd have had a very bent Ute! ~~~SNIP

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 Gday...

So you are saying that if TWO people had stood, sat, lay, or even squatted in the empty tub of your Navara the "arse would have dragged like a dog with worms" ??   

I concede that you were apparently there and saw this, so it is difficult to challenge .........BUT that is INCREDIBLE ! ! !   

Cheers - John

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 NO! What I said was the Ute was already dragging its arse with nobody in the thing when hooked up to a caravan with 165kg on the ball. Reading lessons? 

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Gday...

Sorry Mutley ... I thought I had correctly read what was typed ... praps I should break it down and see if I can understand it better this time around.

• The Navara has stock standard suspension
• The Navara was empty, not even a driver in it
• The Navara is apparently rated to allow a towball weight of 280Kg when empty
• A caravan with a towball weight of 165Kg was then attached to the Navara
• and then the Navara was dragging its "arse like a dog with worms".

Does that seem to provide a fair summation of your post?

Now, what did I ask in my post?

Perhaps I should paraphrase a bit - You say you added 165Kg towball weight to the completely empty Navara and it dragged its 'arse like a dog with worms".

I simply then asked that, given the Navara was empty BEFORE you added the van, with its 165Kg towball weight, but instead of attaching the van ... if TWO people (which would equate to approximately 165Kg of weight) then stood, sat, lay, or even squatted in the empty tub of your Navara the "arse would have dragged like a dog with worms".

So - I do admit I have a penchant for misunderstanding or not comprehending people's comments. However, I thought I had actually quite grasped what you had been trying to impart.

Cheers - John

Hylife wrote:

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Nissan Navara = NP300 (not sold here yet)

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 Some education for you.

On 11 June 2014, Nissan unveiled the third generation Navara (now known as the NP300 Navara) and is codenamed D23. It has been on sale in Oz for some years, a mate of mine has had one for a year or so. He is wrapped in its performance, he tows a 2800 kg Future Systems van. He reckons it is more comfortable than his previous R51 Pathfinder.

I have a D40 twin cab. When I purchased it it had the best back seat of the twin cabs then on sale. Most people seem to judge the rear seat room after sitting in a D22 twin cab ( which has 250 mm shorter wheel base, most of that is taken from the rear seat room.)

I chose the twin cab because of the problem of the smell when carrying fuel in station wagon SUVs. I also carry comfortable outdoor furniture (I don't like those umbrella style folding chairs.) I found that furniture difficult to handle in a station wagon (Disco D2.)