kiwijims wrote:

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I had a ring from an old Mate of mine, who lives in Nelson, situated in the North of the South Island.

He is very concerned about reports that, if there is another major Earthquake along the same Fault line as the last Quake which struck Kaikoura, The whole South Island could be split in two !!! 

N.Z. has been long known as the shaking Isles with over 5000 Earth tremors being recorded per year,

The new P.M. may have more on his plate than he knows, should the separation happen,

It must be a worry for people living along the Fault Line, especially now with the Sea Bed rising over 3 Meters out of the Sea, evidence that things could be on the move.

Anyone here thinking of visiting N.Z. you may have to hurry it along, or you may have to take two ferry trips to see the whole of N.Z.

K.J. 

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 Any verifiable research on the subject, or is it simply someones opinion? people love to prophesize doom.

Bryan wrote:

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Before I get shot down, these are my thoughts and based solely on my very limited general knowledge and not backed by any scientific research or data. Its just stuff that goes through my head when I'm relaxed at night near a campfire with a bourbon in my hand, staring at the stars and wondering what is out there as well as what is below us.

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Don't think anyone will shoot you down for voicing your thoughts Bryan.

Know exactly what you mean relaxing near the campfire with a drink, your mind tends to go on all sorts of excursions, particularly after the second or third drink.

rockylizard wrote:

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Gday...

Gives some indication of the action -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3jHUGHOlhA

Cheers - John

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 The plot on the map at the end puts things into perspective, we're fortunate in Aust missing most of the action, NZ certainly gets a bit of a hammering.

Let me be the first bearer of bad news . How about some positive news .

People in the colonies were fearing the same sort of thing happening back in 1840 after a lot of activity had been occurring - sure enough in 1841 New Zealand broke away from New South Wales.I think at the time it was reported by CNN that it was due to a period of global cooling. We can all put up our own theories on why things are occurring but at the end of the day nature will do whatever it wants without too much help from us.

"Yep" dead right there,

If N.Z. was to turn over and sink over night , there'a not a thing anyone could do to save it,

Just hope all the People are good swimmers, it's a hell of a  long way, back to N.S.W. 

 

K.J.

We should have given NZ to Wills and Kate for a wedding gift.

That makes me think Bruce,

As the south Island has always been called the Main land, and the other ( Fushy bit )  the North Island has been described as The Pig Island, Us South Islanders, could concede and grant the Pig Island a new Status and call it. (almost) equal to the Main Land,

While the other bit that fell off would be returned to Aussie, as a training ground for improving Footballers and Cricketers, there's plenty of shell fish on the exposed sea bed now, so that will give the Aussies a bit of strength.  LOL  

 

K.J.

Bryan wrote:

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kiwijims wrote:

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That makes me think Bruce,

As the south Island has always been called the Main land, and the other ( Fushy bit )  the North Island has been described as The Pig Island, Us South Islanders, could concede and grant the Pig Island a new Status and call it. (almost) equal to the Main Land,

While the other bit that fell off would be returned to Aussie, as a training ground for improving Footballers and Cricketers, there's plenty of shell fish on the exposed sea bed now, so that will give the Aussies a bit of strength.  LOL  

 

K.J.

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  Thats not nice KJ 

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NZ's Fresh Oysters, Mussels, Scollops, & Crays are very very nice Bryan,

They'll build up the backbone like you wouldn't believe, the All-blacks have eaten them for years.

K.J.  

 

Philw wrote:

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Global warming in an atmospheric issue of rising carbon particles trapping direct and indirect radiant energy from the sun. Plus increased albedo, reflection, as we remove vegetation etc. (Forests ). The interesting thing is that the research for this uses scientific methodologies and data capture, which has given us our mobile phones, computers, medical technologies and medicines etc, yet when we dont like the story, we say the science is faulty and there is no problem. Yet we rely in our daily lives on all that science has given us. Its so friggin sad and frustrating. There...thats my rant. I used to teach this stuff.

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oh but you were doing so well Phil! A lot of my frustration on this subject comes from mis-information too.

Perhaps you are talking of the gas molecule, Carbon Dioxide -not the elementary building block carbon, as found in diamonds and pencils?

Philw wrote:

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A few things. New Zealand straddles both the Indoaustralian plate and the pacific plate. The plate boundary they are on is sliding past each other. The indoaus on is moving northwards. But the rate is about 6 cm a year. Enough to cause these terrible quakes but the process is on millenium time scales. Like in Oz if you are prepared to wait for 50 million years we wont have to fly to Hong Kong, we can walk there as it will be at the end of the street.

So its a natural tectonic process of the planets crustal plate movement. We dont get the same effect here as we are intraplate. In other words, we are in the middle of the plate and thus there are significant earthquake events. And what do occur, and there are plenty of them, are deep in the crust so the energy dissipates as it gets to the surface.

Global warming in an atmospheric issue of rising carbon particles trapping direct and indirect radiant energy from the sun. Plus increased albedo, reflection, as we remove vegetation etc. (Forests ). The interesting thing is that the research for this uses scientific methodologies and data capture, which has given us our mobile phones, computers, medical technologies and medicines etc, yet when we dont like the story, we say the science is faulty and there is no problem. Yet we rely in our daily lives on all that science has given us. Its so friggin sad and frustrating. There...thats my rant. I used to teach this stuff.

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 Thank you Philw I accept your explanation & share your frustrations.

Those who don't want to believe will forever continue to procrastinate & throw up more & more obstacles to accepting & moving forward.

I just trust in the expert scientists and accept their views rather than listen to the nay sayers from the extreme right wing with their vested interests. (Though I'm not referring to anyone on this forum of course).

I just wish that I could articulate my views on this subject as well as you do.

-- Edited by Cupie on Thursday 15th of December 2016 09:53:32 AM

Reading my post written in haste. Yep.bagmaker. thanks for the correction. I was putting diamonds into the atmosphere instead of atmospheric gas. Oops. And yes, bear, I agree. Just got back from Emerald and they are excited that the coal industry will pick up with Adani. Gotta sympathise. People want jobs, and security and many industries rely on this. The same arguement occurred when Keating opened up the Oz economy to competition. He stopped protection. A lot of workers suffered but overall the Aus economy boomed. (Some suggest by too much). But I guess my concern is that we need to leave this planet intact for our children. (And yes way off track from Jims post...sorry). And if the scientific community is even half right, then we cant take a chance with continuing to run down a finite resource. We have the means to lead the world in reducing emissions and even if our efforts make negligible impacts globally, shouldnt we do our best to achieve something. To be an example? I taugh boys to be good men. My efforts had little impact on the day. It is in the fullness of time that the results stand out as to whether I was successful. As to whether society benefits from these efforts as it does when we bring our children up with ethics and values congruent with social values. To be good citizens. Its in the long march of time that we find our success. Thus with moderating our global emissions for our future generations so that they have a chance of living a life as good as ours.

Oops..sorry all. No more from me.
phil

"AW GEE Bruce" Sorry to hear that Mate,  Ya just can't help having bad luck AH. !!!

There are others in NZ who are glad to see the last P.M. take a rest,

My mate who ran a Dairy Farm in the back country of the South Island, ended up selling all his milkers because he just wasn't getting anything out of it, in the end, he is now breading cattle and said there is good money in it, plus far less hours of work compared to milking.

I won't get into a debate on the political virtues of Mr Key, it's a "no no " here,

and always ends up with "PUAHI" on ones face.   

K.J.

"KJ - I'm a JAFFA - as an exKiwi hopefully you know what this means LOL"

For Aucklanders JAFA means Just Another Friendly Aucklander

For most other kiwis JAFFA means Just Another Fxxxwit From Auckland

Obviously Bruce you are an Aucklander so just curious about which one you were referring to yourself as ?

I imagine John Key would find it a little more difficult to get things done on this side of the ditch as unlike NZ we have 2 houses of parliament that he would need to get his reforms through. Maybe it would be better for us to take a leaf out of NZ's book and get rid of our upper house, not only would it save us heaps of money but it may finally get things moving. (tongue in cheek)