Snakes

Felicia · Guru

Snakes

Hey Jim · Guru

Felicia wrote:
I live in a small town of 4,000 people in the Riverina and we are being warned that due to flooding around us there are more Brown snakes coming to town. Just thought I'd put it out there.

Lynda

Hi Felicia,

Let me Guess, West Wyalong. biggrin We love the land, and hate the snakes. I lost my Brother in 1996 to a western Brown. Too little to late. Our son Lives and works in Forbes. Three of our working dogs lost to the buggers. Friends at Cowra and Canowindra both have lost many working dogs.

Protected or not.Now you see them now you don't. All stockmen have access to a 410g if licenced. Taste's like Chicken. You can't tell the Difference.

adreamer · Senior Member

I say, "leave the snakes alone"!!.

We are in their environment. Up to us to keep our eyes open and take precautions. ie watch where you walk, don't walk at night and don't place your hands into cupboards without looking first, same for shoes.

I lived in the NT for years and yes, I did come across the King Brown and whip snakes but used common sense around them. They are after movement, smell and warmth!!

See one remain still and 10/10 they will depart.

A friend of mine is in a wheelchair after disturbing a King Brown from under a piece of roofing and the snake bit him several times in the chest. It was only because he was young and fit that he survived. I have never once heard him say that he hates them or wants to wipe them all out.

If humans had their way most of the dangerous animals in the world would be made extinct. (well some have been ie Tasmanian Tiger) and several in Africa as well.

The environmentalist!!

macka17 · Guru

We used to shoot when younger.
Me professionally for a few yrs to supplement spending money.

Mates missus was a vet nurse. We used to carry a "universal" Anti venine
and replace every yr.

There are Individual venines for individual breeds.
but too exxy to carry them all and throw away every 12m.
So we used the Universal one.
Not as good on specific ones. But if tightly bound immediately.
and kept cold if any ice to slow blood flow.
it normally gives time to get to doc or hospital

The Actual snake helps a lot too. Just to be sure.

we always wore high boots. gaitors and baggy pants when in snake country though.
They can't see YOU.to get a good grip.
Just slash at general area.and a lot of juice goes into pants.boot.
They do taste nice though. Brownies for me. Tigers a bit tough.

We used to take a switch/fork (twisted fencing wire) with us and catch a few for venine lab's.
Browns were $3 and Tigers $5 from memory.

Often paid most of the fuel for trip.

Could tell you a few stories about them.

One.

Left in sugar bag in shed while in for tea.
and missus went into shed.
SHE can scream.
Don't ask me when the next nookie was though.

chuckle.

-- Edited by macka17 on Wednesday 12th of October 2016 08:41:10 PM

adreamer · Senior Member

macka17 wrote:
We used to shoot when younger.
Me professionally for a few yrs to supplement spending money.

Mates missus was a vet nurse. We used to carry a "universal" Anti venine
and replace every yr.

There are Individual venines for individual breeds.
but too exxy to carry them all and throw away every 12m.
So we used the Universal one.
Not as good on specific ones. But if tightly bound immediately.
and kept cold if any ice to slow blood flow.
it normally gives time to get to doc or hospital

The Actual snake helps a lot too. Just to be sure.

we always wore high boots. gaitors and baggy pants when in snake country though.
They can't see YOU.to get a good grip.
Just slash at general area.and a lot of juice goes into pants.boot.
They do taste nice though. Brownies for me. Tigers a bit tough.

We used to take a switch/fork (twisted fencing wire) with us and catch a few for venine lab's.
Browns were $3 and Tigers $5 from memory.
Often paid most of the fuel for trip.

Could tell you a few stories about them.
One.
Left in sugar bag in shed while in for tea.
and missus went into shed.
SHE can scream.
Don't ask me when the next nookie was though.
chuckle.

-- Edited by macka17 on Wednesday 12th of October 2016 08:41:10 PM

Geezzzzzzzzz Macka, wished I'd known you when I was wrestling croc's on a Saturday night after a 'few' drinks, you could have won some money tying them up for me!

The only snakes the Aboriginal people eat is the 'file snake'! But guess they don't really know about these things! Could have poisoned themselves.

adreamer · Senior Member

adreamer wrote:
macka17 wrote:
We used to shoot when younger.
Me professionally for a few yrs to supplement spending money.

Mates missus was a vet nurse. We used to carry a "universal" Anti venine
and replace every yr.

There are Individual venines for individual breeds.
but too exxy to carry them all and throw away every 12m.
So we used the Universal one.
Not as good on specific ones. But if tightly bound immediately.
and kept cold if any ice to slow blood flow.
it normally gives time to get to doc or hospital

The Actual snake helps a lot too. Just to be sure.

we always wore high boots. gaitors and baggy pants when in snake country though.
They can't see YOU.to get a good grip.
Just slash at general area.and a lot of juice goes into pants.boot.
They do taste nice though. Brownies for me. Tigers a bit tough.

We used to take a switch/fork (twisted fencing wire) with us and catch a few for venine lab's.
Browns were $3 and Tigers $5 from memory.
Often paid most of the fuel for trip.

Could tell you a few stories about them.
One.
Left in sugar bag in shed while in for tea.
and missus went into shed.
SHE can scream.
Don't ask me when the next nookie was though.
chuckle.

-- Edited by macka17 on Wednesday 12th of October 2016 08:41:10 PM
Geezzzzzzzzz Macka, wished I'd known you when I was wrestling croc's on a Saturday night after a 'few' drinks, you could have won some money tying them up for me!
The only snakes the Aboriginal people eat is the 'file snake'! But guess they don't really know about these things! Could have poisoned themselves.

ps Macka - What is a nookie??

Phillipn · Guru

adreamer wrote:
adreamer wrote:
macka17 wrote:
We used to shoot when younger.
Me professionally for a few yrs to supplement spending money.

Mates missus was a vet nurse. We used to carry a "universal" Anti venine
and replace every yr.

There are Individual venines for individual breeds.
but too exxy to carry them all and throw away every 12m.
So we used the Universal one.
Not as good on specific ones. But if tightly bound immediately.
and kept cold if any ice to slow blood flow.
it normally gives time to get to doc or hospital

The Actual snake helps a lot too. Just to be sure.

we always wore high boots. gaitors and baggy pants when in snake country though.
They can't see YOU.to get a good grip.
Just slash at general area.and a lot of juice goes into pants.boot.
They do taste nice though. Brownies for me. Tigers a bit tough.

We used to take a switch/fork (twisted fencing wire) with us and catch a few for venine lab's.
Browns were $3 and Tigers $5 from memory.
Often paid most of the fuel for trip.

Could tell you a few stories about them.
One.
Left in sugar bag in shed while in for tea.
and missus went into shed.
SHE can scream.
Don't ask me when the next nookie was though.
chuckle.

-- Edited by macka17 on Wednesday 12th of October 2016 08:41:10 PM
Geezzzzzzzzz Macka, wished I'd known you when I was wrestling croc's on a Saturday night after a 'few' drinks, you could have won some money tying them up for me!
The only snakes the Aboriginal people eat is the 'file snake'! But guess they don't really know about these things! Could have poisoned themselves.

ps Macka - What is a nookie??

You are not that old that you have forgot about the pleasures in life.

The Belmont Bear · Guru

In this country we are probably a little bit laid back when it comes to dealing with venomous snakes probably because we know that normally you can get to medical assistance in a reasonable time and that they will have the correct anti venom available. When I lived in Mozambique if people were bitten by black mambas, cobras etc. they had a low chance of survival, we found a dead mamba at work one day and the look I saw on the locals faces when we carried it past them was one of shear terror. We can sometimes run into the odd eastern brown or red belly black snake here but my plan has always been to stay as far away as possible and never try to catch or kill one. I guess if you live or travel in the bush the chances are that you are going to have a lot more encounters with them than we do living here in a city - sorry Jim about your brother.

adreamer · Senior Member

The Belmont Bear wrote:
In this country we are probably a little bit laid back when it comes to dealing with venomous snakes probably because we know that normally you can get to medical assistance in a reasonable time and that they will have the correct anti venom available. When I lived in Mozambique if people were bitten by black mambas, cobras etc. they had a low chance of survival, we found a dead mamba at work one day and the look I saw on the locals faces when we carried it past them was one of shear terror. We can sometimes run into the odd eastern brown or red belly black snake here but my plan has always been to stay as far away as possible and never try to catch or kill one. I guess if you live or travel in the bush the chances are that you are going to have a lot more encounters with them than we do living here in a city - sorry Jim about your brother.

I thought 'nookie' was something to do with boy scouts, you know!! tying knots!!

sandgrooper1 · Senior Member

Adreamer,

nookie is another word for sex.

Cheers AL

adreamer · Senior Member

sandgrooper1 wrote:

Adreamer,

nookie is another word for sex.

Cheers AL

OH, Too much information!!

macka17 · Guru

DAMNNNNNNN.
I was going to ask her round and give her a demo.

Bummer. ...........................................Chuckle

A lot of us had weapons of the rifled type back in '70's and '80's. before all the rules came out.
I had 7 rifles of differing calibre. plus a fav O/U WInchester "pigeon Grade" I used for trap and rabbits
All $2 500 of it. (and that was the cheaper model.) and my favourite.
Remington 870 Pump with two barrels. 20in and 31in.

And a lot went walkabout in scrub. Out in bush and round the back creeks.
Make a bit of noise as you moving. and Normally they'll (the snakes) move.

Unless a tiger asleep and you wake it.(normally standing on it.)
That makes you jump believe me.
or a mother with pups. They'll go you. I know.

It was nothing special. a lot more than I did it,
and a lot used to take snakes into serum lab's in Adel too. for the money.
You sensible with them. Same as croc's.
They not normally a prob.

The operative word being "sensible".
Anything cranky. YOU back off and go elsewhere.

Same as these idiots in NSW.
Shark net. Shark Nets.
Kill the whales.... Basically.
Baited set lines have worked forever up here. Not a problem.

These HUMANS. should remember.
sharks and croc's are in THEIR environment.
WE are the intruders. accept it and behave correspondingly.

RESPECT THEM..at all times. they just doing what comes naturally.
Bears and Tigers the same.

I've been at sea on a lot of the worlds Oceans. ON the sea.

Anything swimming is quite welcome to the UNDER bit thank you.

I can't even swim.
We have an 8 mtr pool in back yard and I don't intent to learn either.

-- Edited by macka17 on Thursday 13th of October 2016 01:11:54 AM

The Belmont Bear · Guru

Macka although I'm not a big fan of netting it is not only us idiots here in NSW who do it there are also idiots in, Queensland, New Zealand, Hawaii, Kwa Zulu Natal and Brazil who net beaches for part of the of year. With Hong Kong, Cape Town, Gold Coast, Pit****er (NSW) also introducing fully netted swimming enclosures. I can vouch for the KwaZulu Natal netting program as I've seen first hand the sharks that the guys have caught at the Natal Shark Board's depot in Richards Bay (which I used to pass on the way to work). As a keen surfer for most of my life I frequented many beaches up and down the east coast from south of Newcastle up to the Sunshine coast the vast majority of them not having shark nets. I believe that most surfers both past and present aren't great supporters of netting either and knowingly take a risk by entering their environment - that doesn't make it any easier when someone does actually get maimed or killed by a shark.

My grandkids are both under 4 and have now learnt to swim this is only my opinion but I believe that this is a basic skill in a nation where people are involved in so many activities that involve being near water - for your sake I hope that you never fall into a river or worse still get caught in some floodwaters.

-- Edited by The Belmont Bear on Thursday 13th of October 2016 03:35:36 PM

Felicia · Guru

Hey Jim, sorry about your brother. No don't live in West Wyalong.

Lynda

sandgrooper1 · Senior Member

Adreamer,

You did ask....

Cheers AL

macka17 · Guru

B.Bear.

It's the fact that they put them in when WHALES are on migration run.
Rest of yr is fine.
It's only for a month.

I've been alongside "Big Fred" in mates 18ft fishing boat doen in Adel in Snapper season )in '70's)
when he came up for a look. and if you look at the records, he was estimated at 21 to 23 ft long Pointer.

Seen some massive Tigers and Hammers too Live and movies.
But they alll in water. Me always ON water.

my boys were surfies with a lot of mates back then. Surf off Adel and S.E coast had lots of shark.

They were accepted as part of the sport.

We used to fish for Pointers in those days.
Biggest alongside my boat was around 12ft and that was 10 ft too big at that range.
3 to 6ft pups were good fun and great tucker on 20lb line off Sellicks in breeding season.
Hundreds of them..Mainly Hammers and Bronzies with a few Pointers in there
as the sun rose.

We used to fish for them Overnight off Local Jetties too
.Huge ones sometimes. They just spooled you and you never even saw it.
Just FELT the power.
POP the balloon. Strike.
then Gone. Bare spool Cheap 50 or 60lb from woolies.

Read on Shark fishing and floaters down in Adelaide.
it was a very popular sport with a lot of us.

Rays too. 8ft span was biggest I was ever involved in (Full game gear Penn 12.0)
I liked the 6.0 myself.
and we had to use Land Rover to drag it up on beach.
Fed the whole fishing club coupla days later.
around 230 of us.

I worked in Cape Town for Graystons Cranes (Big Gottwald ring beam stick mainly)
back in late '60's early '70's too.
They got some huge Pointers and Tigers down there off the tip.
I went out on Trawlers occasionally with mates from ex UK boats I worked on in the '50's.
Ex Trawlerman myself in '50's for a few yrs.

It got bumpy out there. Just like North sea/Atlantic seam in winter.
Used to buckle a few it the forward hull plates at times.
BUT Not cold like Pommy waters hey.

Dickodownunder · Guru

Wow, this thread just about wins "The Most Off Topic" award.

From extra snake danger during times of flood to white pointer and black ray fishing in SA. biggrin biggrin

Sorry to hear of the loss of your brother Hey Jim.
Venomous snakes are a worry at any time let alone during times of flood or fire.
I certainly does pay to keep a watchful eye for them and making noise while walking does help.

I was loading grain many years ago at the Port Neill silos and I saw another driver being chased by an angry tiger snake....he ran and climbed up on one of his trailers to get away from it. Funny but serious all at the same time.

Hey adreamer, I was the bloke that used to throw you dollar coins while you were restling those crocks.
I miss that quality entertainment on a Saturday night. Life is so boring now. biggrin biggrin

Ron-D · Guru

I know this is a snake thred but it's sort of turned into a shark one as well and that's one subject that riles me,when you look at the scale of the oceans in the world our surfing beaches are a mere pin pric ,and it should be safe for our kids,apparently the fabulouse white shark has to be looked after at the expense of our kids that's stupidity at the highest level.

greenies talking about useless drones and blimps get all the press,, while the fabulousness white shark dines on our beaches give me a break, tuna a big fish too taken and killed by the tones,but that's ok there not the fabuloue killer white shark ,I put human life above the white shark or any shark why can't we have our pin prick of the ocean made safe at there expense!, baited drum lines nets whatever it takes stop pussy footing and listening to the stupid greenies for once ..sorry about the rant....

-- Edited by Ron-D on Friday 14th of October 2016 09:47:03 AM

macka17 · Guru

Sorry Ron.

Just remember. WE.... Are in the food chain,
the second we step out of our environment into theirs.

We're nothing special. being human.
Apart from wanting to kill and destroy everything in sight.

Bait lines DO work and destroy, kill nothing.
Used properly..

The amount of humans on this planet and breeding.
Maybe the sharks should be culling us hey.

and to me. One whale OR shark.
is worth numerous humans on any scale.

Same as a dog and a human in a car accident. unless a child.
I'll check the dog first every time. I have.

We're mainly the trash of the planet. totally self destructive.
I have very little repect for humans as a race.

My opinion on killing wildlife, unnecessarily.
Have a gud won hey.

Seaford is a good left hander with healthy shark population in the area.

macka17 · Guru

Dick.
Talking about angry Tigers with pups.
I was on dragline cleaning ditches a while ago.
Got out of cab for lunch. 3 steps and a Tiger reared up beside me.

Bolted for machine with it in hot pursuit.
I jumped up onto 3 ft high tracks and the buggar followed me up end of.
had to get up over winches and out cab at other side to depart it.

Bloody things.
A good laugh after though.

Ask Di About the time in 10ft inflatable coming back from yacht to Mossman wharf at 2 in morning.
Dodging the croc's. some of the eyes were 2 ft apart and right alongside of boat.
She walked on water the last mtr to wharf.
We couldn't stop laughing.

JayDee · Guru

This morning we were travelling from Yarrawonga to Shepperton when the cruiser and van ran over a

6 ft ?? brown snake.

My Q is should I have phoned the number we see advertised along the road re reporting injured wild life.

Again my answer is ...

so what... a dead or injured snake, he should have followed the golden rule when crossing a road.

Look left ... look right... then look left again.

Snakes Sharks and Crocodiles.... Scare me.

.I had intentions of swerving to miss it, as I could have easily caused a crash... what for the life of a bloody snake... No way.

Jay&Dee

Ron-D · Guru

That's ok Mackay as long as the sharks eat your white trash not mine biggrin

The Belmont Bear · Guru

By coincidence I heard on one of the local radio stations this morning that there had been a big increase in the number of snakes being reported by people living in the suburbs - a bit of a worry as we haven't had any flooding here.

aussie_paul · Guru

macka17 wrote:

Same as a dog and a human in a car accident. unless a child.
I'll check the dog first every time. I have.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You have crossed the line there Macka.
Aussie Paul.

macka17 · Guru

No Paul.

As I said. I have very litle respect for the human race.

I've seen too much of the crap and killing they do to each other.

At least animals are honest.
they either lick you or bite/kick you.
And as I said.

Unless it was a kid.

I have all the time in the world for them
I have 9 girls 1 boy and a 4mth on the way boy.

compliments , my kids to me.

Dickodownunder · Guru

macka17 wrote:
Dick.
Talking about angry Tigers with pups.
I was on dragline cleaning ditches a while ago.
Got out of cab for lunch. 3 steps and a Tiger reared up beside me.

Bolted for machine with it in hot pursuit.
I jumped up onto 3 ft high tracks and the buggar followed me up end of.
had to get up over winches and out cab at other side to depart it.

Bloody things.
A good laugh after though.

Hahaha, I was not aware that those tiger snakes could move so quickly until I saw that one chase my mate.

I was talking to a guy a few years ago that used to row a canoe from his house across the Murray river to the overland corner pub and he reconed that quite often a snake would climb up over the side of the canoe, slither across and go back into the water on the other side.

We were on a house boat at the time and there were quite a few snakes swimming in the water......

Over the years I have done a lot of work on farms on the Eyre Peninsula and brown snakes are commonplace here as I would imagine they would be in most farm situations throughout Aus.

The Belmont Bear · Guru

Little off topic - but I thought that as you were discussing being harassed by fauna I was playing golf this morning driving a golf cart. There had been a bit of rain overnight and on one of our forays into the bush chasing a wayward golfball clay had stuck to the front tyres. While I was driving along I thought that a piece of that clay had flicked off the wheel and landed on my thigh when I looked down there was a very large ugly looking spider on my bare thigh who I was pretty sure was about to run up the leg of my shorts. As all brave men would do in this situation I panicked went to flick it off my leg with my hand which then caused it to run up my arm - I alighted from the moving cart rather quickly and began doing a war dance until I was finally able to dislodge it. My golfing buddies thought that this was probably the greatest entertainment that they have had in years - I hate spiders even those big harmless ones !!!

-- Edited by The Belmont Bear on Friday 14th of October 2016 10:29:06 PM

macka17 · Guru

Dick.
We used to go across to Overland Corner into the ponds off sides of the Murray
Again in '70's, early '80's.
Fishing for Carp.
Used to average 12 to 17lb fish, on 6lb line and Tiger worms.

Usually a bus load of ut with a trlr behind with barby.booze, and sleeping bags.
Made a w'end of it regularly and used to dig big holes to bury them as you weren't, By Law.
allowed to put them back.