Saw this one last night on FB - bit scary - never do know what is around the next corner.

Consider this before you make any judgement. Is the tree the issue? Trees fall down all the time don't they?

What if it wasn't a tree. What if it was you with your van. You had been driving sensibly and as you approached the corner your car engine simply failed. With no power to continue on and nowhere to pull off the roadway you had no choice but to stop on the road, right near where that tree would have been.
With your wife still in your car, you exit your vehicle to inspect the engine bay and possibly warn approaching traffic of the danger.
Along comes truck 1, "Hey mate, you OK? Need any help?"

"My engine just stopped", says you.

Now comes that 2nd truck. He sees you last minute and pulls that pointless emergency stop.
The 2nd truckie would have killed you instantly, and your wife may have been permanently mamed or killed as the truck steamrolled over the top of you, your van and car. The sliding trailer on truck 2 now slams sideways at speed into truck 1, seriously injuring that driver.

What do you think now?

The tree wasn't the problem. Plain and simple, if you travel at a speed that prevents you from stopping within the visible distance, then by definition you are speeding.

You must always travel at a speed suitable for the prevailing conditions and that 2nd truckie wasn't and would have been booked for dangerous driving.

Not only was he speeding for the conditions but his trailer brake bias was not set correctly. If it was, his trailer on that dry sealed road would not have tried to pass him in that emergency stop.

Well Hylife and spinny have either of you got a semi licence or even traveled in a truck,

I have in fact I've had it since I were 19 years old and I will be 60 in December this year got my B -double licence about 3 years ago when did you last sit a drivers licence test ? in fact I'm in my semi right now in st arnaud Vic waiting to unload at Ridley.
Let me say I find your comments very ill informed idiodic bull dung that semi driver has just performed a magnificent piece of driving to be able to guide his truck between the truck and car after just running over a tree which would have catapulted him up off his seat probably into the roof and his knees into the steering wheel whilst forcing his foot off the break peddle in the process to still have control of that truck in the way he did is nothing short of amazing.

If there was no tree and just those two parked as in your hypothesis then the 2nt truck would have quite easily fitted between them as it did with the added inconvienance of running over a tree in the video, your point is ridiculous you clearly have no idea of how long it takes to stop a truck, by the way looking at it I would say the 2nd truck was empty or it would probably not slid out to the side like it did.
And as for your comment as to the trailer - truck brake bias what a dumb a.s Comment the modern trucks no longer have a manual balance control and haven't had for maybe 30 years

If that corner was so sharp as you hypothesise and the truck was driving at a speed that he could pull up before hitting the tree he would have been doing about 20 kph I would love to have you following a truck at 20 kph around every bend in the road

Please stick to commenting on things that you have some knowledge about because this one you certainly do not

Woody

Woody n Sue wrote:

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Well Hylife and spinny have either of you got a semi licence or even traveled in a truck,

I have in fact I've had it since I were 19 years old and I will be 60 in December this year got my B -double licence about 3 years ago when did you last sit a drivers licence test ? in fact I'm in my semi right now in st arnaud Vic waiting to unload at Ridley.
Let me say I find your comments very ill informed idiodic bull dung that semi driver has just performed a magnificent piece of driving to be able to guide his truck between the truck and car after just running over a tree which would have catapulted him up off his seat probably into the roof and his knees into the steering wheel whilst forcing his foot off the break peddle in the process to still have control of that truck in the way he did is nothing short of amazing.

If there was no tree and just those two parked as in your hypothesis then the 2nt truck would have quite easily fitted between them as it did with the added inconvienance of running over a tree in the video, your point is ridiculous you clearly have no idea of how long it takes to stop a truck, by the way looking at it I would say the 2nd truck was empty or it would probably not slid out to the side like it did.
And as for your comment as to the trailer - truck brake bias what a dumb a.s Comment the modern trucks no longer have a manual balance control and haven't had for maybe 30 years

If that corner was so sharp as you hypothesise and the truck was driving at a speed that he could pull up before hitting the tree he would have been doing about 20 kph I would love to have you following a truck at 20 kph around every bend in the road

Please stick to commenting on things that you have some knowledge about because this one you certainly do not

Woody

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This is certainly an A Grade rant. It is obvious without the author even mentioning it, that he is a truck driver and will defend to the death all truck drivers no matter what they do.

That he is able to describe the actions and reactions of the driver of the offending truck in such detail tells me that he has some sort of power of telepathy.

Let's just be thankful that we have a truckdriver (the one with the camera) that was able to record a halfwit driving his truck in a dangerous manner. That no-one was injured or killed is pure luck, not good driving.

Now that this video has been aired on the Internet ad nauseum, I hope the owners of the errant truck do the righty and sack the idiot driver forthwith.

 

The Phantom

The Phantom wrote:

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Woody n Sue wrote:

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Well Hylife and spinny have either of you got a semi licence or even traveled in a truck,

I have in fact I've had it since I were 19 years old and I will be 60 in December this year got my B -double licence about 3 years ago when did you last sit a drivers licence test ? in fact I'm in my semi right now in st arnaud Vic waiting to unload at Ridley.
Let me say I find your comments very ill informed idiodic bull dung that semi driver has just performed a magnificent piece of driving to be able to guide his truck between the truck and car after just running over a tree which would have catapulted him up off his seat probably into the roof and his knees into the steering wheel whilst forcing his foot off the break peddle in the process to still have control of that truck in the way he did is nothing short of amazing.

If there was no tree and just those two parked as in your hypothesis then the 2nt truck would have quite easily fitted between them as it did with the added inconvienance of running over a tree in the video, your point is ridiculous you clearly have no idea of how long it takes to stop a truck, by the way looking at it I would say the 2nd truck was empty or it would probably not slid out to the side like it did.
And as for your comment as to the trailer - truck brake bias what a dumb a.s Comment the modern trucks no longer have a manual balance control and haven't had for maybe 30 years

If that corner was so sharp as you hypothesise and the truck was driving at a speed that he could pull up before hitting the tree he would have been doing about 20 kph I would love to have you following a truck at 20 kph around every bend in the road

Please stick to commenting on things that you have some knowledge about because this one you certainly do not

Woody

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This is certainly an A Grade rant. It is obvious without the author even mentioning it, that he is a truck driver and will defend to the death all truck drivers no matter what they do.

That he is able to describe the actions and reactions of the driver of the offending truck in such detail tells me that he has some sort of power of telepathy.

Let's just be thankful that we have a truckdriver (the one with the camera) that was able to record a halfwit driving his truck in a dangerous manner. That no-one was injured or killed is pure luck, not good driving.

Now that this video has been aired on the Internet ad nauseum, I hope the owners of the errant truck do the righty and sack the idiot driver forthwith.

 

The Phantom

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Woody n Sue wrote:

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Well Hylife and spinny have either of you got a semi licence or even traveled in a truck,

I have in fact I've had it since I were 19 years old and I will be 60 in December this year got my B -double licence about 3 years ago when did you last sit a drivers licence test ? in fact I'm in my semi right now in st arnaud Vic waiting to unload at Ridley.
Let me say I find your comments very ill informed idiodic bull dung that semi driver has just performed a magnificent piece of driving to be able to guide his truck between the truck and car after just running over a tree which would have catapulted him up off his seat probably into the roof and his knees into the steering wheel whilst forcing his foot off the break peddle in the process to still have control of that truck in the way he did is nothing short of amazing.

If there was no tree and just those two parked as in your hypothesis then the 2nt truck would have quite easily fitted between them as it did with the added inconvienance of running over a tree in the video, your point is ridiculous you clearly have no idea of how long it takes to stop a truck, by the way looking at it I would say the 2nd truck was empty or it would probably not slid out to the side like it did.
And as for your comment as to the trailer - truck brake bias what a dumb a.s Comment the modern trucks no longer have a manual balance control and haven't had for maybe 30 years

If that corner was so sharp as you hypothesise and the truck was driving at a speed that he could pull up before hitting the tree he would have been doing about 20 kph I would love to have you following a truck at 20 kph around every bend in the road

Please stick to commenting on things that you have some knowledge about because this one you certainly do not

Woody

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                  ....Well Hylife and spinny have either of you got a semi licence or even traveled in a truck, ......

Yes actually I do and have for years!. Your comments sound like biased truckie ranting from just another dangerous cowboy on the roads that need to be weeded out.

                     .... modern trucks no longer have a manual balance control and haven't had for maybe 30 years ....

Cr@p. All modern trucks can have the braking force adjusted based on the load you are pulling. Too many lazy @rse truckies don't bother setting it with each load.

 

And the hypothesis I made was to replace the tree with a broken down vehicle. Go park your car and van where that tree was and nothing but death ensues.
There was no skill in that driver, by sheer good luck he didn't kill everyone on the scene. Just listen to the fear coming from the truck that was already stopped.
And i know all too well how long it takes to stop a truck, and, to build up speed again, but you slow down when entering a corner you can't see around, same as you do in any vehicle. To barrel along at speed around a corner like that is just plain dangerous if you can't stop quickly.

If any vehicle travels at a speed that does not allow that vehicle to stop within the visible distance (in most countries it is mandated at half the visible distance) then you are either speeding or not paying attention to the conditions.
Dangerous driving. Simple. And I think it would be a certain bet that the driver was booked once the constabulary watched the video.

The commentary is hilarious. The legal opinion is appalling.

Hmm!

Reading the posts here and elsewhere can not find any criticism of the car driver. Was She speeding around the corner before running over the log? As the second truck driver supposedly was.

WOW! Nobody hurt how good is that.

Mike.

 

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Explorer wrote:

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Hmm!

Reading the posts here and elsewhere can not find any criticism of the car driver. Was She speeding around the corner before running over the log? As the second truck driver supposedly was.

WOW! Nobody hurt how good is that.

Mike.

 

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Have to agree, The Truck was speeding and couldn't stop and hit a tree. The car was just unlucky when it hit the tree.
As for putting a car and caravan in place of the tree I am sure the car and van would have been a lot easier to see. Also if it was your car broke
down in such a position the first thing you would do is go out and place your triangles on the road.
 

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 I can't see how you can differentiate between the reasons for the truck hitting the tree and the car hitting the tree. And, the copper that attended, didn't seem to have any problem with the speed the truck was doing, even after viewing the cam footage.

As for the triangles, make sure you put them well up the road, and don't bank on anyone approaching actually seeing them.

Ok let's start in order
First let me say at the time I posted I were not aware that the car was hit and I am pleased that the lady driver of the car was clear and unhurt
Alnjan good post agreed

Phantom you are wrong first up I am a dry land broad acre wheat farmer not a full time truck driver as you state I deliver some of what I grow to feed mills and dairy farmers in my own truck ,,,, now as for defending truck drivers no matter what they do well guess what wrong again I know that there are some truck drivers out there that do the wrong thing I also know from my travels in a truck and in my car that there is a much higher percentage of car drivers that are idiots then truck drivers ,,,, and as for the idiot truck driver getting sacked why should he be sacked why not the car driver as well after all did she not drive over the very same log across the road clearly she was driving too fast also or she would have been able to stop before runing over the tree

03 troopy so true as I don't know the people I the Video nor have I spoken to them I could be one of them also

Chris61 love your little pic about fixing stupid not sure which side of the fence you sit on as you have not seen fit to make a comment of your own

Phantom again yep I agree with the the duct tape pic it's true enough not sure how it is intelligent though

Hylife. No not biased just informed and drive with my eyes open I am pleased to hear you have a semi licence but it begs the question have you used it much ? Oh and please inform me where this brake adjustment is as I am at a complet loss to its whereabouts is in my truck if you can do this I will apologise most humbly to you on this point it's a 2005 western star 4800 gross mass of 50 tonne ie not B-double rated
As for the rest of your post I can only ask how you can accuse the truck of speeding for running over the tree but don't consider the car driver to have been speeding who also run over the very same tree perhaps the word biased could be used here as you used to discribe me

Toglhot again why not charge the car driver too oh and have you heard that almost all trucks are speed limited to 100 kph and there is very high fines for messing with a speed limiters for the driver ,the owners and the person who changed it

Dmaxer mmmm yep

Alnjan true and good point

Explorer your point is my point and yes how good is it that no one was hurt yet some consider that to be simple good luck and not prepared to acknowledge that maybe there was just a hint of good driving skill on behalf of the truck driver

Neilandraine good post but how can the truck be speeding and the car just unlucky

03troopy a very good post and also my point

Neilandraine you have cleared up your point well done