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Shocked at how Australia is so anti-pets


After working in Melbourne and renting for a few years, I started travelling on my own in a my motorhome about 14months  ago and was pleasantly surprised at the free camps around. But I am an ardent animal lover and felt it was time to rescue another pooch. So I did. An old girl (will always rescue senior dogs as they are often the first to be put down regardless of health) from Gladston RSPCA. That was 6mths ago. She is gorgeous and love her to bits.

However I have now realised how anti fur family Australia is! Can't go into National Parks or some Forests. Many caravan parks have 'no dog' policies, Some fee camps have no pets too. And because of this I have found it a pain to travel. So I thought I would get a permanent base, having rented before and have excellent references. But guess what? Not many rentals accept pets!!! Or charge twice as much.

Final resort is to buy a small plot of land and park on it, travelling when I can! Can't afford to buy a small place (well I can but the banks wont give an old girl like me a mortgage!) I would have loved to rescued more seniors by becoming a foster carer but cant see that happening now.

Anyone else have this experience??????????????????????????????????????

Or any solution?

Cheers (a pissed off pet owner)



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So sorry to hear of your troubles, maybe you have just hit a bad patch of anti pet places, there are lots of places that are pet friendly, we offer doggy day care at our park just about every day excluding long weekends and easter. Have you thought about approaching some pet friendly parks about coming in as a permanent?
To give you some idea, we have just set our new charges for permanents which is $80 solo per week or $90 couple. Plus metered power and supply charge plus $15 per month for untreated but settled water. It may be an option worth considering. There are many parks out there charging less for permanent sites but it goes back to inspect a park, stay as a tourist, check out the owners, then decide if you want to proceed with an enquiry as a permanent. Good Luck.


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We travelled extensively with our Golden Retriever.  Could count on one hand the van parks that wouldn't allow him.  Never seen a NO DOGS sign at a free camp.

National Parks are a no no, not because anyone doesn't like dogs (pets) more because of disease etc that can be introduced.  Also pets po & wee & this can disturb the natural fauna in the park.

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We have had guests come in relate stories to us of parks that advertise as pet friendly but when they have arrived have been told only between certain times of the year. I think that is wrong, you are either pet friendly or you are not, in my humble opinion.


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A kindred spirit I think.  So lovely that you've rescued a "senior".   My dog was a stray & after being unable to locate her owner, I couldn't bear to part with her.  She's my best mate & goes everywhere with me.  

I too have come across parks that do not allow dogs, mostly the bigger coastal parks.  The other annoying thing they do is that they allow dogs except in peak times like Xmas & S/Hols.  I tend to stick to the smaller family run parks - better service, cheaper, not so crowded and usually dogs OK.  Also showgrounds are a great option.

Not much you can do about N.P's.  You can drive through them with a dog if the road is a public road I believe e.g. The Great Alpine Rd & the Alpine Way.  You just can't let them out.



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@didi, if you were to go doorknocking for a charity, would you resent a person who chose not to donate to your cause?

If you were to go doorknocking for Jehovah, would you resent a person who disagreed with your beliefs?

To you, your dog is a little darling. To others, she is a nuisance. You need to recognise and accept this fact and organise your life accordingly. If people or businesses welcome your dog, then be grateful. If they don't, then just accept it and move on. Don't be resentful.

BTW, I am a dog owner. My dog was rescued from an RSPCA kennel. My first dog also came from the RSPCA. At the moment I am a carer. When the sad day comes and my loved ones are gone, I will sell up everything and go on the Big Lap with my dog. I will have exactly the same problems as you, but reading this forum has prepared me for the road ahead.

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Nope, Dorian, I do not agree. I don't have to "be grateful" for the acceptance.

I have a dog, but I might be disabled, or be gay or lesbian, or be Jewish or Asian or Aboriginal , or an atheist or mormon or muslim.............. no one should have to be "grateful" for acceptance.





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I can sympathise with rental property owner not allowing pets. At first, we allowed renters to have pets with the proviso that they were kept outside the house. After a couple of episodes of extensive cleaning required due to pet hair and smell in carpets, and one case of dog cr*p on carpets we no longer allow pets in our rental.

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Rip and Rosie wrote:

Nope, Dorian, I do not agree. I don't have to "be grateful" for the acceptance.

I have a dog, but I might be disabled, or be gay or lesbian, or be Jewish or Asian or Aboriginal , or an atheist or mormon or muslim.............. no one should have to be "grateful" for acceptance.




 Love you Rosie. I am not upset that there are parks that do not accept dogs. I am upset that there are so many. Dont know of any parks that ban children tho. Dogs and kids are just the same... its the parents that are responsible for their behaviour and cleaning after them.



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I can sympathise with rental property owner not allowing pets. At first, we allowed renters to have pets with the proviso that they were kept outside the house. After a couple of episodes of extensive cleaning required due to pet hair and smell in carpets, and one case of dog cr*p on carpets we no longer allow pets in our rental.


 Im so sorry you had that experience, but a good tenant(long term tenant) cleans their carpets and walls on departure. Its written into most rental agreements now. I know I have always hired professional cleaners when I vacate. Its not about the dogs. Its about ensuring your rental agreements cover you.



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A kindred spirit I think.  So lovely that you've rescued a "senior".   My dog was a stray & after being unable to locate her owner, I couldn't bear to part with her.  She's my best mate & goes everywhere with me.  

I too have come across parks that do not allow dogs, mostly the bigger coastal parks.  The other annoying thing they do is that they allow dogs except in peak times like Xmas & S/Hols.  I tend to stick to the smaller family run parks - better service, cheaper, not so crowded and usually dogs OK.  Also showgrounds are a great option.

Not much you can do about N.P's.  You can drive through them with a dog if the road is a public road I believe e.g. The Great Alpine Rd & the Alpine Way.  You just can't let them out.


 Thanks dundreamin. So nice to hear you have rescue dogs. Id love to help rescue dogs by fostering them too. Maybe its time to just settle down for a while and find an animal lover who will let me rent a house. Or maybe go into a cooperative with others who feel the same and buy a property lol. cheers



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hokianga wrote:

We have had guests come in relate stories to us of parks that advertise as pet friendly but when they have arrived have been told only between certain times of the year. I think that is wrong, you are either pet friendly or you are not, in my humble opinion.


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hokianga wrote:

So sorry to hear of your troubles, maybe you have just hit a bad patch of anti pet places, there are lots of places that are pet friendly, we offer doggy day care at our park just about every day excluding long weekends and easter. Have you thought about approaching some pet friendly parks about coming in as a permanent?
To give you some idea, we have just set our new charges for permanents which is $80 solo per week or $90 couple. Plus metered power and supply charge plus $15 per month for untreated but settled water. It may be an option worth considering. There are many parks out there charging less for permanent sites but it goes back to inspect a park, stay as a tourist, check out the owners, then decide if you want to proceed with an enquiry as a permanent. Good Luck.


 Your park sounds great! I will do as you say and definitely will be visiting you! Cheers xx



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Totally agree that many parts of Australia are anti pets, and rightly so. We have national parks to help preserve our native wildlife. If you must take your pet with you, stay out of national parks. We have always had pets but do not take them on the road with us.
Unfortunately there are too many irresponsible pet owners out there. I do not want to visit a free stay or caravan park where I have to put up with barking dogs and the mess left. I know so many of you will espouse the good behaviour of you own pets, but I have experienced poorly behaved pets too often and do not want this to impinge on my holiday.

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Hi Didi,

I have Molly.. a grey Chihuahua !!. I generally travel with Molly, April to November.

I am unhappy that I cannot take Molly into National Parks. She is in more danger from the animals etc than she is a danger to them. I wouldn't let her out of the van in such places. She is so vulnerable.

However, that said, thats the rule.

I have found that there are many caravan parks and free camps where dogs are allowed and have not had too much trouble finding a place to stay.

The east cost is probably not too friendly any way its too expensive. and WA spread baits around like it is fertilizer. QLD has ticks. And don't forget the snakes and crocodiles.

So animals require careful looking after at all times.

But, despite all the dangers, it is an absolute joy to have her with me. She does something cute everyday and makes me laugh. She is my early warning device for anything hanging around, that shouldn't be there. and she is my friend and companion that listens intently to everything I say.



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Well, we had one out of left field just today! A guest alerted us to another guest carrying their lab pup into the mens showers, my partner arrived just as the puppy owner was leaving with a wet but clean puppy. We love dogs but draw the line at guests taking their furboys into the shower with them for a wash. We have a baby bath and paddle pool available on loan for that.
I must admit I thought it was a lot funnier than the guest who reported it.

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People should interpret "pet friendly" to mean "pet tolerant". Aside from hokianga or a vet, no business owner or landlord genuinely welcomes our pets. If I didn't have a dog of my own, I would avoid places that accepted pets unless I had no other option.

To Rip and Rosie, if you bring your dog to my house, then don't be resentful if I tell you to go away.



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To Rip and Rosie, if you bring your dog to my house, then don't be resentful if I tell you to go away.


 If I can't take my dog to National Parks, why do you think I'd want to go to your place Dorian? Better views, more wildlife? 



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Rosie, the point I'm making is that you should not expect (or demand) that people accept your choices. If they reject your choices, then you should not think less of them for it. You seem to be suggesting that people who are not pet lovers are somehow akin to racists or bigots. They're not -- they're just different.

I have a friend who has a hobby farm. He has invited me to visit him. I told him I have a dog, but he is OK with that. He just wants me to give him advance notice so that he can lock up his chickens. I've thought about this and I've decided that bringing my dog would be an unfair imposition on his hospitality. BTW, the previous owner of the farm had a cattle dog that had the run of the property.

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We live on a bush block close to the Adelaide CBD.
We loose a native Adelaide Rosella to a cat about once a week or 2. We have also lost blue tongue lizards to dogs. Last week we lost a possum. No cat or dog is worth that.
There is open season for cats and dogs on our property.
Visitors may bring them, if they ask, provided they either remain inside the vehicle or are never off the lead.

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didi wrote:
03_Troopy wrote:

I can sympathise with rental property owner not allowing pets. At first, we allowed renters to have pets with the proviso that they were kept outside the house. After a couple of episodes of extensive cleaning required due to pet hair and smell in carpets, and one case of dog cr*p on carpets we no longer allow pets in our rental.


 Im so sorry you had that experience, but a good tenant(long term tenant) cleans their carpets and walls on departure. Its written into most rental agreements now. I know I have always hired professional cleaners when I vacate. Its not about the dogs. Its about ensuring your rental agreements cover you.


 It's not about the pets or the agreements, it's about the owners who abuse the privilege of you allowing them to keep pets outside, then let them make such a mess inside. Don't worry, there was very little left of their bond after the incidents. And cleaning after the fact that they abuse the privilege isn't good enough. Even cats can cause enough damage to screen doors that we no longer tolerate pets at all. After the last episode of filth being left in the house, there was also a mound of 14 months worth of dog droppings left behind the garage.

Edit: And I am not anti dog, cat or pet. At the time we had two dogs (german shepherd and german shepherd cross) who were both inside dogs. But they were trained to let you know when they needed to go outside.



-- Edited by 03_Troopy on Monday 14th of March 2016 07:51:51 AM

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Totally agree that many parts of Australia are anti pets, and rightly so. We have national parks to help preserve our native wildlife. If you must take your pet with you, stay out of national parks. We have always had pets but do not take them on the road with us.
Unfortunately there are too many irresponsible pet owners out there. I do not want to visit a free stay or caravan park where I have to put up with barking dogs and the mess left. I know so many of you will espouse the good behaviour of you own pets, but I have experienced poorly behaved pets too often and do not want this to impinge on my holiday.


 Well Hewy. I have experienced  badly behaved children AND older people! on my travels. Shame the world isn't perfect. I'd like to avoid them too.

 



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WOW. to some of these answers. Reinforcing my belief that many places (and people) in Australia are just not pet friendly. Every living being has a soul my friends. I find dogs and cats have far more generous and loving souls than many humans.

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didi wrote:

WOW. to some of these answers. Reinforcing my belief that many places (and people) in Australia are just not pet friendly. Every living being has a soul my friends. I find dogs and cats have far more generous and loving souls than many humans.


Sadly it's too true, comes down to the difference of just owning a pet and treating it like an animal, and, obtaining a pet then treating it as part of the family. Our pets like yours didi are family. Unfortunately, we are a minority. Then there are those that are just not animal people and these are the worst to deal with.



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I totally agree. While the majority of us clean up after our dogs & are responsible owners we (or our dogs) are seen to be the destroyers of bush, wreckers of the environment & the list goes on, but hey what about those with the big 4WD's who motor through bush areas destroying undergrowth (not all but always a certain few would be if they could be bush bashers), bbq's going full blast & the booze flowing freely & generally destroying some pristine camping areas - they are allowed to of course.

Anyway on my vehicle I have a decal "If my German Shepherd doesn't like you neither will I" - it works well. But the perception is a German Shepherd, in a camping area or similar, will kill anything on 2 or 4 legs, destroy all vegetation, rip out trees with its bare teeth.

I met a park ranger once who even told me a Chihuahua would introduce diseases into national parks.

I can see why you are savage but carry on regardless, you will come across someone who wont judge you because you have a dog.



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So many people are unaware of why pets are not allowed in National Parks. It has nothing to do with our pets killing any native wildlife. Any pet let into a National Park will leave a scent and may leave disease. This scent is then detected by our native fauna and they will then stay away from these areas. We have such a small area of national parks, so lets all be responsible pet owners and keep them out of these areas.
As to being anti pets, we have been dog owners for many years. We lived in a semi rural area and were appalled when we first moved in at the number of feral and domestic cats on our property. We were fortunate that our dog hated cats, but was comfortable around the lizards, possums and birds. She managed to eradicate our property of all cats so that the native wildlife flourished.
I am not anti pets, just anti those other peoples pets that encroach upon my space.

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So many people are unaware of why pets are not allowed in National Parks. It has nothing to do with our pets killing any native wildlife. Any pet let into a National Park will leave a scent and may leave disease. This scent is then detected by our native fauna and they will then stay away from these areas. We have such a small area of national parks, so lets all be responsible pet owners and keep them out of these areas.
As to being anti pets, we have been dog owners for many years. We lived in a semi rural area and were appalled when we first moved in at the number of feral and domestic cats on our property. We were fortunate that our dog hated cats, but was comfortable around the lizards, possums and birds. She managed to eradicate our property of all cats so that the native wildlife flourished.
I am not anti pets, just anti those other peoples pets that encroach upon my space.


 That doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me.   If you have a dog there how come the native fauna didn't go away too?  I live in a city area and I have a lot of wildlife visiting. resident maggies, kookaburra, parrots, bugies, ****ies, galahs, owls and may others I can't name.  I also have skinks and bluetongue lizards.  and... possums.  must be two or three families from the noise they make.  I think they are the ones responsible for eating everything in sight in my garden including the geranimums.  My dog hates the possums but she hasn't managed to scare them away worse luck.



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Hello Melly Moo and Molly Moo :)

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Hey Jules

What are you and Billeeeeeeee up to?

Molly Moo sends her love.

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Hi Didi,

I have Molly.. a grey Chihuahua !!. I generally travel with Molly, April to November.

I am unhappy that I cannot take Molly into National Parks. She is in more danger from the animals etc than she is a danger to them. I wouldn't let her out of the van in such places. She is so vulnerable.

However, that said, thats the rule.

I have found that there are many caravan parks and free camps where dogs are allowed and have not had too much trouble finding a place to stay.

The east cost is probably not too friendly any way its too expensive. and WA spread baits around like it is fertilizer. QLD has ticks. And don't forget the snakes and crocodiles.

So animals require careful looking after at all times.

But, despite all the dangers, it is an absolute joy to have her with me. She does something cute everyday and makes me laugh. She is my early warning device for anything hanging around, that shouldn't be there. and she is my friend and companion that listens intently to everything I say.


 I agree with you regarding tick, WA and their accursed 1080 baiting, and the general anti dog attitude. I say to those people and those areas....don't worry, I won't come near you. Why? Because I prefer the company of my dogs to people like you anyway. Most dogs are better people than most people. I have four small dogs, three of which are genuine rescues, the other I bought for my step daughter as she lost a Maltese, only to find that her (censored) husband would not allow her to keep it because it could not earn it's keep on the farm and it didn't suit his macho image when riding on his image producing Toyota Land Cruiser trayback ute. Oooooooo.....that was my outside voice too!



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