Gidday HunnyBunny, I would just follow The great Chief Dougwe's advice, chain or cable them up , [ But use High tensile chain, or stainless steel cable ] otherwise any cheap pair of bolt cutters will cut through it, !   And do not worry to much about that ''  

I recently heard a story of a guy who had bought himself a new Honda generator only to have it stolen & replaced by an old "el cheapo " while he slept. 

 That story has been told 100,000 times by nobody who saw it, But 1000's who heard it ! 

So just follow Dougwe's advice, and don't let it worry you 

 

-- Edited by dazren on Tuesday 8th of March 2016 07:29:37 PM

simple

when finished with generator  around 5 pm

i put it inside van for the night

We have everything, including our van secured in some way, even in a CP. We have a lock that fits into the tow ball receiver to stop the opportunist thief and use light weight chain through our Weber, table it sits on and 9kg gas bottle which is secured with a 4 digit padlock. Anyone with boltcutters will get it - but its to stop the casual thief. With our genie, we have a thick digital padlock chain that has a plastic coating. Be aware that if it is pinched, most insurance co's will not pay for a stolen genie - locked or unlocked. We put the chain through the drop down stabliser handles.

We lock everything that is outside the 'van to deter casual thieves, but you will not stop the professionals. We were in Kalgoorlie, WA, last year and 2 vans were stolen from a well fenced CP with a key card drop down gate wire and office at the entry point. All you ca do is try to minimize your risk.

We use digital locks as we have so many keys already supplied by the 'van manufacturer.

Oh - and Phantom - if yo read this again - that was really interesting about the multistrand cable - you have a wealth of info we'd like to hear a lot more of - please

OK B&B. 

A bit more info on the Flemish eye. As TonyBev says it is known by many different names. The Europeans call it an American eye and the Yanks know it as the Flemish eye and a Maori splice has also be noted. Many moons ago I worked offshore on a crane barge and anchors and mooring lines were used to pull the barge into position. The lines were dropped onto the deck of a workboat and taken several hundred metres away from the barge in a predetermined pattern and the anchors kicked over the side. They weighed about 4 tonnes each. By winching on one or another line the barge could be moved as it did not have it's own propulsion system.

The anchors were attached to a 2 1/2 inch diameter steel wire rope (this was 6 strands as described earlier but the centre core was also steel which is known as IWRC (independent wire rope core). We spliced an American (Flemish) eye into the wire rope using 3 tonne chain pulls. One slipped one day and in the flash of an eye, broke a guys arm when the single strand struck him. I got to dread coming on deck and seeing an anchor sitting there as I knew what the shift would consist of.

Now, for the tea.

Many years ago, a local general in Fujian Province in China marched into a village in the Wuyi Mountain area and quartered his troops in a tea drying shed. When he left some time later, the local tea growers were racing against the clock to get their tea dried and taken to market. Without sales the village would starve.

Some local guy thought of burning a local pine wood under the tea leaves on a drying rack to hasten the drying time. This wood smoke imparted a tarry type taste into the tea. When it was taken to market the farmers thought it would fail and they were doomed to starve. It was a Eureka moment. The buyers loved the tea and a new taste was born. It was called Lapsang Souchong which I think means something to do with the area.

You used to be able to buy it from Twinings in those 12 off tea bag sachets (Coles and Woolworths used to stock them but I haven't seen them for some time) but they were the sweepings from the floor. Real Lapsang tea is very subtly flavoured and costs a fortune in China. I bought some about 5 years ago in Fujian Province and it consisted of a very elaborate package and about 150 grams cost me in excess of AUD 200 but the taste is exquisite.

I also chain my generator but it is carried on the back of the ute and positioned so all I have to do is drop the tailgate to clear the exhaust. I'm getting too old to be lifting and lowering unecessarily. It is a Yamaha 2400IS so weighs about 30kgs

 

The Phantom

The Phantom wrote:

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OK B&B. 

A bit more info on the Flemish eye. As TonyBev says it is known by many different names. The Europeans call it an American eye and the Yanks know it as the Flemish eye and a Maori splice has also be noted. Many moons ago I worked offshore on a crane barge and anchors and mooring lines were used to pull the barge into position. The lines were dropped onto the deck of a workboat and taken several hundred metres away from the barge in a predetermined pattern and the anchors kicked over the side. They weighed about 4 tonnes each. By winching on one or another line the barge could be moved as it did not have it's own propulsion system.

The anchors were attached to a 2 1/2 inch diameter steel wire rope (this was 6 strands as described earlier but the centre core was also steel which is known as IWRC (independent wire rope core). We spliced an American (Flemish) eye into the wire rope using 3 tonne chain pulls. One slipped one day and in the flash of an eye, broke a guys arm when the single strand struck him. I got to dread coming on deck and seeing an anchor sitting there as I knew what the shift would consist of.

Now, for the tea.

Many years ago, a local general in Fujian Province in China marched into a village in the Wuyi Mountain area and quartered his troops in a tea drying shed. When he left some time later, the local tea growers were racing against the clock to get their tea dried and taken to market. Without sales the village would starve.

Some local guy thought of burning a local pine wood under the tea leaves on a drying rack to hasten the drying time. This wood smoke imparted a tarry type taste into the tea. When it was taken to market the farmers thought it would fail and they were doomed to starve. It was a Eureka moment. The buyers loved the tea and a new taste was born. It was called Lapsang Souchong which I think means something to do with the area.

You used to be able to buy it from Twinings in those 12 off tea bag sachets (Coles and Woolworths used to stock them but I haven't seen them for some time) but they were the sweepings from the floor. Real Lapsang tea is very subtly flavoured and costs a fortune in China. I bought some about 5 years ago in Fujian Province and it consisted of a very elaborate package and about 150 grams cost me in excess of AUD 200 but the taste is exquisite.

I also chain my generator but it is carried on the back of the ute and positioned so all I have to do is drop the tailgate to clear the exhaust. I'm getting too old to be lifting and lowering unecessarily. It is a Yamaha 2400IS so weighs about 30kgs

 

The Phantom

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Hello The Phantom

I thank you for pointing my error out, and I shall return to correct the typo.

You are right, and I stand corrected. There are 6 (six) strands in a normal lifting wire rope, plus what I would call in Fitters speak a central fibre core. I am sure that your description of the fibre core is absolutely correct, and that you have much more rigging knowledge than myself.

I was but just a lowly maintenance Fitter, who was fortunate to obtain an advanced Riggers ticket. This experience was used to assist the Riggers, only when they were snowed under, or absent on the days they were required. Most places I attended before a forced retirement were in isolated areas, and as you are aware, Riggers do not grow on trees. I also point out that I had never used any of my extra activities experience to take away employment from any other person.

As I like to learn something new each day, I thank you for explaining the technical details of what I now know as marlin fibre core

Thank you, Phantom, and I can assure you, that I am not trying to be a smarty pants, or playing the game of one upmanship

After typing the above while off-line, I would like to continue

As a side note, and I hope that I am not hijacking the topic.

Firstly I would like to say that this is fantastic information

It was a regular occurance for me to assist or make on my own, in the middle of the night, Flemish Eyes, on a 2,000 tonne mineral sands dredge, at a place called Beenup near Augusta WA. This rope was also a two and a half inch diameter, with the central core made from steel. After making the Flemish Eye, we would secure the tail with three wire rope clamps, (also known by many names, depending on who you are talking to). The anchors for this dredge were four D9 Bulldozers, utilising a Bulldozer for each rope, with the blades dug into the ground. Using the wire rope clamps, the Flemish Eyes never broke, the ropes would break, as the acid water would rot them from the inside out, and we were not allowed to lubricate the ropes, due to envirionmental issues.

One night the dredge master pulled one of the Bulldozers into the man made lake, by the time he realised what had happened, he had pulled it so far under the silt, that the divers who went to salvage it, could only feel the wire rope, and nothing of the bulldozer. We did have two Linmac type cranes on the dredge, each capable of lifting 30 tonnes, at 20 metres. As you are aware, regulations will not allow you to use any type of suspect rope (most probably damaged inside), to lift anything. Plus we would never have known what the suction factor would have been, as the sands of that area were describes as being like playing cards, thin but flat and wide.

I do not claim to be a fortune teller, but if I was a gambling man, I would be putting money on an Archaeologist of the future, saying to his assistant, "Why did that silly Fitter leave a perfectly good Flemish Eye behind". 

 

Hi

I am not experienced at splicing or flemish eyes or the like.

But I have made up a couple of SS wire cables for my solar panels etc. I just went to a boat shop and purchased the cable and the swage fittings and they crimp them on for you for free with their tools in a jiffy. Just make an Aussie eye at each end as small as you can turn the wire around. Do not use an insert as this just makes it bigger. I think I used 4mm flexible cable. Use bigger if it make you feel better. I always leave the lock where it can be seen so they know there is some security !

Jaahn 

Hi,

Tony, just interested if they recovered the bulldozer?

Cheers AL

This is for Dougwe, I have found square tuits, triangular tuits They are fairly common, But this is rare, secure it well!

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Gday...

lucky the damned generator WAS chained up securely

I was gonna put some fly-blown maggots into it earlier

cheers - John

@Doug

I will put a photo of the handle up tomorrow


Cheers John

Thanks CC. Could be a easy way to sort that out.

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This is for Dougwe, I have found square tuits, triangular tuits They are fairly common, But this is rare, secure it well!

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hello iana

Tongue in cheek

And the last on the four letter word from me

Back in the day, a lot of us were glad that this type of cake was around. It allowed many of us so called grubby subbies, to visit places, we would have never normally seen. It makes me wonder, if we were not the pathfinders of the modern day travellers. It was all drive in drive out, in those days, there were no fancy Dan airplanes for us.

Thanks John, I had a bit a look on Evilbay earlier and one was there, exactly the same. If I am not wrong an allen key would have that of in a jiffy quicker than a hack saw through the plastic. Could be wrong, tell me I am so, John  

Mmmmm, I noticed it is 'black' too 

Hi Doug

Sorry to say you are wrong
Its an Torx bit insert


Cheers John