Hema and Android

Swoffer · Senior Member

Hema and Android

Radar · Guru

Before you go that far spending money, have a look at this system.

It an app called Osm, off line street mapping, free version works fairly well.

We have been in Austria, Germany, Italy and a couple of others and it got us around using my Samsung 10.1 and on my phone a samsung galaxy 5.

We enjoy using the system, in the car or hiking. Radar.

jade46 · Senior Member

Yes it can be done that way however you need internet access all the time for the app to work,so have access costs all the time from my experience with the android app on a tablet. You get the same thing from google maps for free ,maybe not as detailed as Hemma but good for average navigation

Santa · Guru

Perhaps the name of the system could be shortened to Hemaroid. biggrin

Swoffer · Senior Member

Santa wrote:
Perhaps the name of the system could be shortened to Hemaroid.

Very good Santa , vey good

Swoffer · Senior Member

Radar wrote:
Before you go that far spending money, have a look at this system.
It an app called Osm, off line street mapping, free version works fairly well.
We have been in Austria, Germany, Italy and a couple of others and it got us around using my Samsung 10.1 and on my phone a samsung galaxy 5.
We enjoy using the system, in the car or hiking. Radar.

Thanks Radar , swimbo is onto it as we speak

Swoffer · Senior Member

jade46 wrote:
Yes it can be done that way however you need internet access all the time for the app to work,so have access costs all the time from my experience with the android app on a tablet. You get the same thing from google maps for free ,maybe not as detailed as Hemma but good for average navigation

So help me out with this jade , your saying that you can get the whole gps experience with google maps ?

Im really after a system that can give me my position in the map In real time . Asking too much ?

-- Edited by Swoffer on Monday 9th of November 2015 01:54:23 PM

03_Troopy · Guru

Hema Explorer will work offline. Here's a link to the app where you'll get more information.

Hema Explorer.

Desert Dweller · Guru

Give me a paper map anytime. If you get a flat battery out in ''the sticks'' you'll have no idea where you are. Tried & trusted Hema paper maps for me. Nothing wrong with being old fashioned I reckon. Too much ''techno junk'' around these days.

03_Troopy · Guru

Desert Dweller wrote:
Give me a paper map anytime. If you get a flat battery out in ''the sticks'' you'll have no idea where you are. Tried & trusted Hema paper maps for me. Nothing wrong with being old fashioned I reckon. Too much ''techno junk'' around these days.

I think the original question was about using hema maps on an android device. I don't think it was about using paper maps. confuse

jade46 · Senior Member

So help me out with this jade , your saying that you can get the whole gps experience with google maps ?

Im really after a system that can give me my position in the map In real time . Asking too much ?

Yes that's what I'm saying Google Maps not google earth. But for my phone and tablet I have to be online for these to work as I said .They will never be Hemma maps but for street nav it will definitely work as a gps but it is costing you data costs.

SYGIC is one of the better GPS app but there is some charges for it probably less than $10.00 I cant remember exactly

-- Edited by jade46 on Monday 9th of November 2015 03:57:54 PM

-- Edited by jade46 on Monday 9th of November 2015 04:04:43 PM

03_Troopy · Guru

From the website:

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Offline Features

"Navigate and discover whats around you completely offline with Hema Explorer. Track your location using your devices in-built GPS receiver while you navigate with reliable Hema maps, and plan every stop along the way with 40,000 interactive POI.

POI cover accommodation (e.g. campsites, caravan parks), facilities (e.g. dump points, toilets, rest areas), services (e.g. emergency telephones, mechanical repairs), information centres and supply points (e.g. 24-hour fuel, roadhouses), with each POI containing additional information including facilities, activities and contact details where available.

While you track your location on a Hema map, record the track log of your journey along with geo-tagged photos and waypoints that you can add a title and notes to, so you can remember your trip in detail and share it with the world when you return home."

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Desert Dweller · Guru

03_Troopy wrote:
Desert Dweller wrote:
Give me a paper map anytime. If you get a flat battery out in ''the sticks'' you'll have no idea where you are. Tried & trusted Hema paper maps for me. Nothing wrong with being old fashioned I reckon. Too much ''techno junk'' around these days.
I think the original question was about using hema maps on an android device. I don't think it was about using paper maps.

You're dead right Troopy.

Swoffer · Senior Member

03_Troopy wrote:
From the website:
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Offline Features
"Navigate and discover whats around you completely offline with Hema Explorer. Track your location using your devices in-built GPS receiver while you navigate with reliable Hema maps, and plan every stop along the way with 40,000 interactive POI.
POI cover accommodation (e.g. campsites, caravan parks), facilities (e.g. dump points, toilets, rest areas), services (e.g. emergency telephones, mechanical repairs), information centres and supply points (e.g. 24-hour fuel, roadhouses), with each POI containing additional information including facilities, activities and contact details where available.
While you track your location on a Hema map, record the track log of your journey along with geo-tagged photos and waypoints that you can add a title and notes to, so you can remember your trip in detail and share it with the world when you return home."
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Thats what I wss hoping to hear Troopy .
So it sounds like it will work if my tab has inbuilt gps , now to try and figure out if it has , oh dear

JeffRae · Guru

If you have a "sim" card to give you internet access, you have a GPS. We have a HEMA 6 and recently purchased the HEMA app for IPAD. Both do the same thing and both loaded with every HEMA paper map printed. The navigator likes the bigger screen, she also likes paper maps

Swoffer · Senior Member

Hi Jeff
The whole reliance on mobile phone signal is what im trying to avoid . Im hoping that my Tab has satellite based gps . I have a small dig camera that has gps built in so im kinda hoping that the Samsung Tab has this also . Mind you the chance that I'm totally confused here is very real

jade46 · Senior Member

Swoffer
If you are trying to avoid reliance on mobile phone connection then you must buy a stand alone GPS
The mobile phones etc are not true GPS but rely on triangulation from towers + a very weak gps help.
Below is a quote from a web page on the subject

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How we got here
When smartphones started to become widely used, the US government was concerned that there was no way of locating users who called the emergency services (911 in the US, 999 in the UK). This led to the development of GPS systems that didnt use the US governments satellite-based Global Positioning System (GPS). Instead, they used triangulation (actually, multilateration) between nearby cell-phone towers or base stations. This muddied the distinction between any old location system and the real satellite-based GPS.

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Today, the location system in smartphones and tablets works pretty well using triangulation from cellphone towers, input from in-range Wi-Fi, and tracking from your last known position. Indeed, it works without a proper aerial and no view of the sky. Add a bit of real GPS and the results are even better. This system is usually called Assisted GPS (A-GPS, AGPS or sometimes aGPS).

Assisted GPS greatly reduces the critical time-to-first-fix, because the device doesnt have to scour the sky to figure out where it is. It already knows that, especially if it has been supplied with orbital satellite data over the mobile phone network. (This does not require Simultaneous GPS or S-GPS, which just means the device can receive GPS and voice data at the same time.)

-- Edited by jade46 on Tuesday 10th of November 2015 06:42:04 AM

03_Troopy · Guru

JeffRae wrote:
If you have a "sim" card to give you internet access, you have a GPS. We have a HEMA 6 and recently purchased the HEMA app for IPAD. Both do the same thing and both loaded with every HEMA paper map printed. The navigator likes the bigger screen, she also likes paper maps

Not the case with other pads JeffRae. My Asus Android TF101 doesn't have a sim card, but it does have a GPS chip that works quite well. We've used it well out of cell range with Wikicamps and Sygic and had no problems locating and finding nearby camps with it.

03_Troopy · Guru

Swoffer wrote:
Hi Jeff
The whole reliance on mobile phone signal is what im trying to avoid . Im hoping that my Tab has satellite based gps . I have a small dig camera that has gps built in so im kinda hoping that the Samsung Tab has this also . Mind you the chance that I'm totally confused here is very real

What model Samsung do you have Swoffer?

Wazza999 · Newbie

The tablet will have a standalone real gps. I use my original galaxy tab 1 without a sim card installed and the gps works perfectly well. Perhaps this is because it is still receiving a signal from towers even though only emergency calls are available. As has been said the assisted gps enables a faster fix. Anyone who has used dedicated gps will know that it can take a few minutes to get a first fix if you move regions e.g. travel by air. I have been thinking about the Hema system as well either on a tablet or the dedicated device.
A bit might depend on whether you want effectively road maps of gazetted roads and the fruit that comes with car gps systems of parking, fuel, campsites etc. etc., or off-road tracks and navigation or both. I think the offline maps you get for off-road navigation are only the 1:250K topos? There are 1:100K maps for NSW and 1:50K Vic topos available on the net free in the OziExplorer format. I understand that you can buy satellite imagery to go with the maps whatever way you go (app or dedicated device) although they seem to be 14m pixel Landsat images. The sat images available for google and apple maps are higher resolution for many areas and may in fact be air photos. Due to some poor planning on my part I was led up the garden path by google maps but being able to see where I was on a sat image was very useful as I could see that I was eventually going to get where I wanted to go and that the track was going to be ok towing the trailer, something not possible with a topo map only. The 14m pixels on the Landsat images are several times track width so I'm not sure how good they'd be for this. I've used coarser imagery for general planning back in my work days but not for real time navigation. I consider myself to be technically competent wrt gps and nav devices and can even do some basic gis but in reality when you are travelling for leisure you just want to get there, get the info you need and enjoy yourself, not strain the brain and relationships by using some cobbled together cheap system which might be fine for desktop planning but not on the move navigation. That said another free android app is Androzic. It uses street maps on-line but you can store and use OziExplorer format maps for real time off-line tracking. Hope that helps.

Swoffer · Senior Member

03_Troopy wrote:
Swoffer wrote:
Hi Jeff
The whole reliance on mobile phone signal is what im trying to avoid . Im hoping that my Tab has satellite based gps . I have a small dig camera that has gps built in so im kinda hoping that the Samsung Tab has this also . Mind you the chance that I'm totally confused here is very real
What model Samsung do you have Swoffer?

Galaxy t3 16gig

Swoffer · Senior Member

Good stuff Wazza
Cheers Al

03_Troopy · Guru

What wazza said, it does have a GPS chip fitted, so will give you location even without mobile coverage.

JeffRae · Guru

Hi @Swoffer, have a look at this re GPS in iPad

kb.hemamaps.com.au/article/AA-00312/13/

Swoffer · Senior Member

Thanks jeffrae

I don't have ipad tho , I have samsung android , wonder if the same applies ?

JeffRae · Guru

Well maybe have a look at this page

kb.hemamaps.com.au/article/AA-00466/10/

or maybe even read the manual to see if your Galaxy Tab has a standalone GPS

Swoffer · Senior Member

Great link Jeff thanks .

But , read the manual ? Plllllllease , who does that

DarylC · Veteran Member

I have Hema maps loaded on my ipad (I assume android tablets work the same)
I spend 6 months of the year out of mobile range & use the hema maps extensively.
I wouldn't be without it in the back blocks of the outback.