Ice policy

Young Simmo · Guru

Ice policy

Cowboy7307 · Senior Member

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Peterpan · Guru

I agree Young Simmo,

I could get shot down for this.

Work groups from the prisons would be a good solution. They could fix roads, reduce fire risks in bush areas.

Oh darn I forgot, that would take away work from the union workers.

Yuglamron · Guru

RE: Ice policy

Desert Dweller · Guru

You don't have to yell (write so big) we can hear you.

Young Simmo · Guru

Boy, there sure are some thin skins on this site.

Young Simmo · Guru

Also if I haven't got something to say, I don't rubbish others, I just shut up.

Vince · Senior Member

Yep yer right Young Simmo

I put up with them most nights on the job, I work PM shifts as a bus driver.

Some of the things they do just scare the proverbial out of you.

In one incident a drugged up ice addict totally off his dial came down to the front of my bus one night and cut off his little finger with a bottle he first broke on my door.

We have little protection, but if our governments were serious about this epidemic your "HOW" is a good answer

Young Simmo · Guru

Yes Vince, bus drivers seem to be in the firing line all over Aust. If I was a bus driver, I would carry a spray bottle of watered down bleach. Oop's, not sure if that will last long.

Vince · Senior Member

Young Simmo wrote:
Oop's, not sure if that will last long.

I reckon that would make them higher.....I'd love a tazer.

Spydermann · Senior Member

When chairman Mao came to power in China in 1949? he got rid of the drug problem that was actually caused by the British (Opium Wars). He executed millions of addicts and pushers. Lot to be said for that.

Young Simmo · Guru

Yeh Spydermann, us dumb ordinary people can see the solution BUT, our overpaid bludging politicians are too dumb. Come on, if there is a rele of a poly reading this I challenge you to get him, her or it to get involved. I wont hold my breath. I have to be carefull here.

Bu**er, I have done it again.

No, I am not a trouble maker, ask my darling.

-- Edited by Webmaster on Monday 26th of October 2015 06:43:21 AM

blaze · Guru

I wonder wether you would all feel the same if it was your son, daughter, wife, husband. I feel blessed that none of my immediate family use drugs but I do have a brother in law that has been screwed over by weed smoked over 30 years. I am by no means a do gooda either, there was a lot of experimenting in my youth. Addiction is a disease not a hanging offence. I don't know the answer.
cheers
blaze

03_Troopy · Guru

blaze wrote:
I wonder wether you would all feel the same if it was your son, daughter, wife, husband. I feel blessed that none of my immediate family use drugs but I do have a brother in law that has been screwed over by weed smoked over 30 years. I am by no means a do gooda either, there was a lot of experimenting in my youth. Addiction is a disease not a hanging offence. I don't know the answer.
cheers
blaze

Good to see a sensible post now and then.

Young Simmo · Guru

For anybody that has a problem with my original post stop and think.
1 Supplier can ruin 1000 lives.
For my money that supplier does not rate any sympathy or consideration what so ever.
The Chinese know how to deal with suppliers, we just need to catch up.

Simmo.

Weevil · Guru

Simmo.....most of the Ice comes from China, they had a program on it the other night. confuse

Young Simmo · Guru

Vic I wan't talking about the manufacture, but the mongrels selling it to individuals. If 1 person is selling to a crowd of people, it is that seller that needs to feel the full weight of the law. In China you can get executed for saying, I don't like the president.
Simmo.

03_Troopy · Guru

Weevil wrote:
Simmo.....most of the Ice comes from China, they had a program on it the other night.

There's a lot that comes from OMC gang scum too Vic.

D and D · Guru

Nice to see some well researched and informed comment on the best methods to deal with the drug problem plaguing western societies. Perhaps some of the proponents could stand for parliament at the next election and resolve all of our social problems in their first term of office if they can gain enough votes that is.

Dave

Young Simmo · Guru

Dave, I am sure there is a message in your post, but I am a bit of an old dummy, could you please elaborate on the message you are sending.
Ta.....Simmo.

I wait with baited breath.

dorian · Guru

The problem is that drug users are treated as victims, not the criminals that they are.

Bruce and Bev · Guru

Hey Young Simmo - I love your posts and comments on others posts - they may wind others up, but it keeps this place jumping and I always want to read your stuff - you say it like it is and don't give a rats about others - keep going mate !!!!!

D and D · Guru

Sorry you had to wait with baited [sic] breath for so long Simmo - been busy with other things.

Its sarcasm, Simmo. Even a tiny bit of of research into the issue reveals that the approach you advocate for dealing with the crisis of drugs in our society simply doesn't work. Nixon started the "war on drugs" in 1971 (probably in an attempt to divert attention from other aspects of his administration) with the same strategy of criminalising everything involved with illicit drugs although this probably started far earlier with the legal prohibition on the cultivation, possession, sale and/or use of marijuana. Just as the previous attempt by the US to use the justice system to enforce moral decisions in the prohibition of alcohol failed and produced organised crime so to did the prohibition and criminalisation of other drugs allow other criminal groups to expand and become more wealthy and more powerful resulting in more corruption, more crime, more death, more drugs that are easier and cheaper to obtain and huge increases in prison populations.

One definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect different results. The criminalisation model of dealing with drugs has been clearly shown to be a failure so why would you keep on with it as a strategy? The only countries that have made any inroads into the disaster that illicit drugs create are those that emphasise harm minimisation rather than punishment, that treat addiction as a disease rather than a criminal offense and seek to help those caught up in the web of drug use to escape.

In respect to the comments on politicians, my comment was a little tongue in cheek but if you think you can do a better job than the current crop of politicians are doing stop whinging about it and do something, nominate yourself and stand for election then we'll see how much support you can gather for your proposals.

I hope this clarifies my comments sufficiently.

Regards

Dave

Young Simmo · Guru

Dave I am in here for fun and entertainment but, having said that I must say my translation of your reply says.
2 years gaol with 12 months bail for good behaviour, is a better deterrent than, 25 years and no bail. I am sure you have given it a lot of thought.
When I was 6 years old and wouldn't eat my Cabbage, I was under threat of Pumpkin the next night, I ate my cabbage.
If the threat had been I would have to make my own bed the next morning, I would have gone down that road.

Simmo

rockylizard · Guru

Gday...

Think about it confuse

We, as a society, CANNOT control the supply and use of drugs (of all varieties) in the prison system - a supposed 'closed' system.

How on earth are we ever going to be able to control the supply and use of drugs (of all varieties) in our 'open' society. confuse

Severe criminal penalties certainly do NOT stop the increasing supply and use or drugs (of all varieties - including alcohol).

Severe criminal penalties don't stop killing, "one punch" assaults, or any other crime.

Solution ? ..... who knows, but certainly not this liddle black duck. cry

Cheers - John

tonyd · Guru

The solution, like the solution to many of the problems in our society is very simple. Bring back the gallows.

Hang about half a dozen drug dealers, in public, and the drug problem will go away. The dead dealers will be NO loss to society whatsover.

ABC 7.30 (in WA at least) recently had a pointless report on the ice problem which included a silly woman waffling on about how we needed to "get rid of the stigma attached to drug addicts." Dear Lord!

Buying and using illicit drugs is a criminal offence. Drug users are not "victims". They are criminals, as are their suppliers. They need punishment, not treatment. Build a prison out in the desert somewhere, put them in it and make 'em go cold turkey. No contact visits (hence no smuggled drugs) and any prison staff who smuggle the poison get 25 years, no parole.

We have become jelly soft on crime and we are paying the price for it. It's time we woke up and took serious action.

Tony

Young Simmo · Guru

Tony, I agree 100% as I stated at the start of this subject. I was thinking down the same lines as you, but thought I might get dumped by the dreamers in here. Even if it makes the drug dealers become bank robbers, there will be less misery. But, unfortunately there are a lot of people with tiny brains out there. In China you can be executed for rubbishing the President, and in Australia you can Kill 2 ladies, and still get let out to do it again.

If our Judges and Magistrates had to suffer having their family members killed, we might, I repeat might, get some justice in AUS.

If this comment gets dumped, I will try saying it another way.

Simmo.

rockylizard · Guru

tonyd wrote:
The solution, like the solution to many of the problems in our society is very simple. Bring back the gallows.

Hang about half a dozen drug dealers, in public, and the drug problem will go away. The dead dealers will be NO loss to society whatsover.
~~~SNIP
We have become jelly soft on crime and we are paying the price for it. It's time we woke up and took serious action.

Tony

Gday...

Sorry Tony ... but how will that remove the drug problem?

Capital punishment certainly has never curtailed any crime to which it was applied, for the centuries it has been in place. hmm

Those countries that have the death penalty for drug dealing (amongst other crimes) have in no way reduced, let alone removed, their drug "problem".

As I said before, I certainly have no solution to offer, but criminal punishment, death penalty or other draconian method has, and seems to, not work.

[edit: PS - Indonesia still executes drug dealers (two quite recently) and the problem hasn't altered in that country cry ]

Cheers - John

-- Edited by rockylizard on Friday 30th of October 2015 07:43:49 AM

Young Simmo · Guru

Even if execution does not solve the problem, it does at least stop that one killer from murdering a 1,000 other people. Which in my book is a plus.
If anybody does not want a drug dealer put away, they must want the dealer to do time and continue killing people.
I could be wrong, the dealer might become a Christian in gaol and get out and help the victims.
Simmo

rockylizard · Guru

Young Simmo wrote:
Even if execution does not solve the problem, it does at least stop that one killer from murdering a 1,000 other people. Which in my book is a plus.
If anybody does not want a drug dealer put away, they must want the dealer to do time and continue killing people.
I could be wrong, the dealer might become a Christian in gaol and get out and help the victims.
Simmo

Gday...

It didn't help the "Bali boys" ... neither did it stop others from continuing to do the same stoopid thing with drugs cry

Cheers - John