road rules

dishlicker · Senior Member

road rules

03_Troopy · Guru

No

rockylizard · Guru

Gday...

Some informed reading -

http://thegreynomads.activeboard.com/t58911629/rated-d-shackles-the-facts/

Cheers - John

dishlicker · Senior Member

spot on bob and johs all over it il try another subject cheeres

Vince · Senior Member

When I had my annual rego check for my camper trailer in April this year

"I had to have an approved rated bow shackle equal or greater in capacity to match the weight of the trailer or two if one is insufficient to the weight"

This is what the mechanic read out to me from his check sheet while doing the rego check

So.....I got two 1.5T rated bow shackles for $14.00 no skin off my nose if it's law or not so it has to be on the + side of safe and they are now on double chains on our caravan.

Cheers
Vince

03_Troopy · Guru

Vince, yes it is smarter to use a rated bow shackle, and most of us do. The post was about whether the law says you must have one though.

ballast2 · Guru

G'day. on top of what has already said think of what your insurance policy says. do not give the bastards a chance to say your accident (we all hope it does not happen) it was your fault. a rated shackle is quite cheap.

Cheers

03_Troopy · Guru

ballast2, yes it is smarter to use a rated bow shackle, and most of us do. The post was about whether the law says you must have one though.

elliemike · Guru

A "D" shackle will carry slightly more load than a "Bow" Shackle. They are for different application in rigging. The shape of the D shackle allows it to carry more load before Deforming. The Bow shackle shape will start to deform earlier under a similar loading. I was involved in making these at one time.

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Jamjar · Senior Member

Two days ago I got a blue slip done on my poptop, changing it from Qld to NSW.

I asked the mechanic what things he looked at. He mentioned the thickness of the chain, but nothing about the shackle.

However, when I bought the van, from a caravan repairer who had it on consignment, the chap said I should get a rated one. So, off I went and bought a very chunky, goldish colour one. I can't recall if it has writing on it and it's not here at the mo, so can't check. I got it either from Bunnings or SuperCheap.

J.

justcruisin01 · Guru

If its not law then why are the law checking them?????

Personally ; we have been checked for chains, shackles; hitches & brake away systems on two consecutive mornings & almost the third, we were waved in & on a second look the waved us on.

As for weights, people are still living in denial of it happening. Again we have been weighed about three years back.

People need to wake up & start believing.

This has been done to death on here a few mths back.

JC

03_Troopy · Guru

It's funny how a thread meanders and diverges from the original subject isn't it?

KFT · Guru

03_Troopy wrote:
It's funny how a thread meanders and diverges from the original subject isn't it?

It must be a Grey Nomad thing Troopy, just like we wander from the original destination on a whim.

hehehe

frank

justcruisin01 · Guru

03_Troopy wrote:
It's funny how a thread meanders and diverges from the original subject isn't it?

When these things are being targeted then doesn't that make it a legal requirement.?

03_Troopy · Guru

justcruisin01 wrote:
03_Troopy wrote:
It's funny how a thread meanders and diverges from the original subject isn't it?
When these things are being targeted then doesn't that make it a legal requirement.?

Who is targeting them?

Have a look here and pick a couple of the links to check.

You will find similar answers to this one though.

Vehicle Standards can advise that under the current legislation, while the safety chains that are used to connect a trailer to a towing vehicle are required to comply with Australian Standard AS 4177.4 Caravan and light trailer towing components, there is no legal requirement for shackles to comply with a particular Australian Standard.

However, in the interest of road safety, the Department of Transport and Main Roads strongly recommends that vehicle operators use shackles that are either certified to AS 2741-2002 Shackles or are identifiable as having a suitable design for the trailer and towing vehicle combination.

Baz421 · Guru

justcruisin01 wrote:
03_Troopy wrote:
It's funny how a thread meanders and diverges from the original subject isn't it?
When these things are being targeted then doesn't that make it a legal requirement.?

Having been involved in writing legislation and technical bulletins explain legislation there are 2 key issues.

1 The legislation MUST say/call up a standard for it to be enforceable.

2 MANY Australian Standards called up in legislation ARE ONLY ADVISORY AND NOT PROSCRIPTIVE and are therefore just that advisory ie they represent "current best practice" (and don't start crap about how that is subjective PLEASE)

Vince · Senior Member

03_Troopy wrote:
Vince, yes it is smarter to use a rated bow shackle, and most of us do. The post was about whether the law says you must have one though.

"I had to have an approved rated bow shackle equal or greater in capacity to match the weight of the trailer or two if one is insufficient to the weight"

This is what the mechanic read out to me from his check sheet while doing the rego check

I thought this may have qualified as it was on the Roads and Maritime Services check sheet the mechanic had

justcruisin01 · Guru

03_Troopy wrote:

Who is targeting them?

It's not the fairies unless they are now wearing blue uniforms.

03_Troopy · Guru

justcruisin01 wrote:
03_Troopy wrote:

Who is targeting them?

It's not the fairies unless they are now wearing blue uniforms.

Have you been targeted? what did he say to you about your shackles? If not, you've probably heard it on the grapevine and it is not reliable information.

03_Troopy · Guru

Vince wrote:
03_Troopy wrote:
Vince, yes it is smarter to use a rated bow shackle, and most of us do. The post was about whether the law says you must have one though.
"I had to have an approved rated bow shackle equal or greater in capacity to match the weight of the trailer or two if one is insufficient to the weight"

This is what the mechanic read out to me from his check sheet while doing the rego check
I thought this may have qualified as it was on the Roads and Maritime Services check sheet the mechanic had

I can't find a copy of a Roads & Maritime checklist anywhere online, so hard to say about that. But it won't say anything about you having to have bow shackles, D shackles are quite OK to use. And any of the sites that come up in a google search that relate to sate regs (which follow ADRs) won't say anything about rated shackles. Maybe it was the "mechanic's" interpretation of the check list.

-- Edited by 03_Troopy on Friday 23rd of October 2015 05:55:45 PM

Jamjar · Senior Member

An interesting forum discussing shackles.

http://www.trailersailerplace.com.au/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12035

J.

03_Troopy · Guru

Jamjar wrote:
An interesting forum discussing shackles.
http://www.trailersailerplace.com.au/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12035
J.

Jamjar, that's the same as dozens of threads al over the WWW. Someone asks if anyone else has heard about the current blitz (about year ago) and everyone posts links to advisory publications telling you it's a good idea, but no one can post a link to an official document that says you have to have a rated shackle by law.

justcruisin01 · Guru

03_Troopy wrote:
justcruisin01 wrote:
03_Troopy wrote:

Who is targeting them?

It's not the fairies unless they are now wearing blue uniforms.
Have you been targeted? what did he say to you about your shackles? If not, you've probably heard it on the grapevine and it is not reliable information.

Mate;go back a read my first comment a stop making a fool of your self.

JC.

03_Troopy · Guru

justcruisin01 wrote:
03_Troopy wrote:
justcruisin01 wrote:
03_Troopy wrote:

Who is targeting them?

It's not the fairies unless they are now wearing blue uniforms.
Have you been targeted? what did he say to you about your shackles? If not, you've probably heard it on the grapevine and it is not reliable information.
Mate;go back a read my first comment a stop making a fool of your self.
JC.

Go back and read all your own threads.. and the OP. Now who's the goose? If you can't show a link to a document that says have must have rated shackles, stop perpetuating the myth.

I'm done...

justcruisin01 · Guru

Mate ive been pulled in twice a checked this year. Every thing from a push bike to a road train;nothing got passed in either direction. Weighed once a couple of yrs back on a full size bridge where you drive the lot on;trucks were being done at the same time. The real deal; dont need links or documents. If you still dont wish to believe it then thats your problem.It doesnt come any clearer than that.

Vince · Senior Member

03_Troopy wrote:
I can't find a copy of a Roads & Maritime checklist anywhere online, so hard to say about that. But it won't say anything about you having to have bow shackles, D shackles are quite OK to use. And any of the sites that come up in a google search that relate to sate regs (which follow ADRs) won't say anything about rated shackles. Maybe it was the "mechanic's" interpretation of the check list.

-- Edited by 03_Troopy on Friday 23rd of October 2015 05:55:45 PM

I say you may be right here I checked the RMS site and not one word regarding shackles in any descriptions regarding Towing. (I should have checked first I know)

http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/towing.html#Rulesfortowing

Next time I see the mechanic I'm asking him for this paper/checklist he read from.

Oh I put the "bow" there only because I got that type, agree "D" rated are just as good as rated "bow"

03_Troopy · Guru

Vince wrote:
03_Troopy wrote:
I can't find a copy of a Roads & Maritime checklist anywhere online, so hard to say about that. But it won't say anything about you having to have bow shackles, D shackles are quite OK to use. And any of the sites that come up in a google search that relate to sate regs (which follow ADRs) won't say anything about rated shackles. Maybe it was the "mechanic's" interpretation of the check list.

-- Edited by 03_Troopy on Friday 23rd of October 2015 05:55:45 PM
I say you may be right here I checked the RMS site and not one word regarding shackles in any descriptions regarding Towing. (I should have checked first I know)
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/towing.html#Rulesfortowing
Next time I see the mechanic I'm asking him for this paper/checklist he read from.
Oh I put the "bow" there only because I got that type, agree "D" rated are just as good as rated "bow"

Exactly mate, but it seems some people are unable to read or grasp the meaning of what they read. Of course it is a good idea to use rated shackles anyway, but it isn't law. The only thing I wonder about, is the cheap rated shackles from a couple of major chains, and whether they are genuinely a rated for the capacities they display. Wouldn't be the first time cheap dodgy certified stuff made it to the shelves.

Cheers.

justcruisin01 · Guru

03_Troopy wrote:

Exactly mate, but it seems some people are unable to read or grasp the meaning of what they read.

WTF; its very obvious that you can't grasp the truth when its put in front of you,too much ignorance.

aussie_paul · Guru

Better get the popcorn out me thinks!!! biggrin

Aussie Paul. smile

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