Gentrax inverter generators

Shadow · Member

RE: Gentrax inverter generators

PeterD · Guru

Hi Shadow, you say you have 12 & 240 V lights. Years ago very few of us had generators and solar was yet to be introduced. Very few had batteries when I started with vans. We used our starting batteries in our tug via the trailer connector. We could spend a couple of nights off power without having to go for a run in the tug to recharge the battery. If you wish to put your toe in the water to see how you go you can do so without a generator. However you will only be able to run a few lights each night and not much else. We enjoyed our trips then as much as we do now with all our mod cons.

If you have not done so then have a hot wire from your tugs battery run to the trailer socket. If you have a 7 pin socket then it will be connected to pin 2. Get the installer to run the wire in a large size (at least as large as will fit into the socket pin.) This will give you night lighting.

Try your open road thing. You will encounter others as you travel, most will be friendly. Talk to them and see how they have set up. You can then make up your mind whether to go the generator or the solar option.

oldtrack123 · Guru

Phil C wrote:
Welcome to the forum. I have a Honda eu20 2kva genny.
[1] The book tells me it doesn't need an earth unless there are earthed appliances being run of it,
[2]. Anyway despite what has been said here, today's gennys are safe and easy to use, just follow the instructions and be safe when using them.
Have a great and safe Xmas.
Hi
[1] the book is wrong !! It has nothing to do with earthed appliances
What is required is equipotential bonding of the Generator frame to the Van frame/ earthing system ,NOT MOTHER EARTH, definately not to the 240V mains earthing system, NO earth stake, no deliberate bond to any EARTHED structure !
Again from the Authorities
"AN EARTH STAKE IS NEITHER REQUIRED OR RECOMMENDED"
That comment also applies to the van itsel!fA
There are sound reasons for that
A little hint regarding one reason, the size of the earthing conductor in the normal EXTENSION leads
[2]That statement is totally misleading!!!
THe Authorities have recognised that , By the STATEMENT "ONLY CONNECT ONE CLASS1 appliance at anytime"
Reputable makers ,whose manuals apply to AUS, are also now starting to add that comment
Having seen& having to investigate shocks, the results of using so called fully isolated power sources with multiple class1 devices, I find it frightening that some people make such ill informed comments !!
Bugger something is going wrong with my key boardt cannot delete or correct
PeterQ

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oldtrack123 · Guru

Phil C wrote:
Some people go through life and the world thinks they are idiots. There are others who have their mouths always flapping in the wind and prove that they are.

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HI

Quite true , in fact some go along way to prove it !

PeterQ

oldtrack123 · Guru

TAJ wrote:
exa41 good to see an answer for his question
i think some people hold back questions
because they get flogged or called GULLIBLE
TAJ

HI Taj

Ido notthink itistheperson who asksthe question that generally gets flogged or called gullable

I that applies more likely to some of the misleading & often ridiculous replies 1!sri

You just have to try and sort the wheat from the chaff wink

PeterQ

Phil C · Guru

So. The book is WRONG!! And PeterQ is right. Yikes!!

I'm not sure I want to be part of a forum that encourages ignorance, pigheadedness and people who set themselves up as experts.

PeterQ enjoy crapping on to people, if they follow your stupidity they deserve what they get.

Goodby.

PeterD · Guru

Phil, do you have copies of the relevant AS/NZS standards and understand them?

KFT · Guru

Phil C, peterQ is quite correct in what he states about earthing and the standard we refer to (AS/NZS 3001)

perhaps you need to brush up on the requirements so you can be as informed as the rest of us.

have a merry christmas yourself.

Frank

rockylizard · Guru

Gday...

disbelief this thread is further proof why I will NEVER ask an electrical question on this forum. cry hmm cry

Obviously, laypersons continue to buy products, with instruction manuals/specifications, from 'reliable' manufacturers/importers/suppliers that are "potentially" dangerous and prone to kill or maim ... despite Regs and Standards. hmm cry

Thank heavens we have the ADRs and licencing regulations so that motor vehicles are not "potentially" dangerous and prone to kill or maim. disbelief cry

Cheers - John

oldtrack123 · Guru

rockylizard wrote:
Gday...
  this thread is further proof why I will NEVER ask an electrical question on this forum.
Obviously, laypersons continue to buy products, with instruction manuals/specifications, from 'reliable' manufacturers/importers/suppliers that are "potentially" dangerous and prone to kill or maim ... despite Regs and Standards.
Thank heavens we have the ADRs and licencing regulations so that motor vehicles are not "potentially" dangerous and prone to kill or maim.
Cheers - John

HI John

The problem is that those manuals are not necessarily written for Aus

In fact MOST do not take that into account

That is why those of us who know the FACTS have to contradict those who only" think" they know facts

Anything I post will be based on Australian rules & regulations

Unfortunately readers do have to sort the wheat from a lot of chaff [rubbish]

Each reader wil have to make their own decisions as to who they believe are RELIABLE sources

There are a FEW on this site

I do notice that a poster who is always seems to be concerned about others being polite is getting a little nasty & making snide comments[PerhapsI should run to Cindy , but I am grown up]' because I am daring to point out his lack of knowledge on the subject & the FACT that he is encouraging complacency with the use of devices that can & have killed

He has exhibited lack of knowledge /undertstanding on many occassions

It is the question of what point is it posting so called "qualifications" That proves absolutely NOTHING!

That subject had alrady been dicussed at length

I have shown how the AUTHORITIES & even some makers have reacted to that danger

A poster,on any forum,that posts misleading information should be corrected

Unfortunately misinformation gets perpetuated with many readers not aware it is incorrect

Electricity is dangerous

It needs to be used with care

Just because someone has done something for years does not mean it is SAFE.

People speed , run red ights, & do all sorts of stupid thing because they think they know it is ok but often end up dead or kill someone else.

One more comment for those who do not wish to know the dangers, by all means bury your heads in the sand!!

Yes, IT should be a freindly forum, but not at the cost of misinformation, especially on a TECHNICAL Forum/ section !!

PeterQ

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oldtrack123 · Guru

Phil C wrote:
So. The book is WRONG!! And PeterQ is right. Yikes!!

I'm not sure I want to be part of a forum that encourages ignorance, pigheadedness and people who set themselves up as experts.

PeterQ enjoy crapping on to people,stupidity they deserve what they get.
if they follow your
Goodby.

Hi

So the Rules ,regulations & recommendations made are wrong &only Phil is correct YIKESx9

I do want to be apart of ANY forum" that encourages ignorance, pigheadedness and people who set themselves up as experts."

Just to make sure the facts come out & people are not mislead

If people follow Phil's posts ,they may unfortunately get mislead & get what theyDO NOT deserve cry

To those who wish to avoid the dramas of electrical matters that occur on this Forum, I am always prepared to help when, where .,If I can if you PM me

There ARE a FEW others that I am sure would also be glad to help & whose advice you could rely on!

Many do so that to avoid the crap that that Electrical threads seem to attract

PeterQ

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Webmaster · Guru

I am closing this thread down now. Again, I understand that it is very important that information given here is correct but it is also very important that we all treat each other – and our points of view – with courtesy and respect. The purpose of this section is for people to be able to help each other out with technical questions and to offer helpful advice. Please keep posts friendly and respectful.