Congratulations Australia You Should be Proud

D and D · Guru

Congratulations Australia You Should be Proud

Glenelg · Guru

sorry i disagree , they should live like we do. go to there country we would have our hands cut off.

Cloak · Guru

In a word it's called... Integration. I don't see any of that going on.

GaryKelly · Guru

I watched that video D&D and was gonna say that I thought the responses from Aussies towards the bigot were selective and not representative of mainstream Australians. But after reading the other comments on this thread it looks like I don't need to.

D and D · Guru

Its a sad day then if Aussies are the bigots you people seem to think they are.

PJK · Senior Member

You all do realise that the video was a set up, don't you???
The crowd reaction was real, and correct - good on the average guys and gals in the street.

I have a Pakistani Islamic son in law, and whilst he is not perfect, he is a good man, as are the rest of his family.
He has his religious beliefs, and we have ours. We live with that knowledge.
My daughters kids are being brought up to respect all religions.
They attend a Catholic school (we are not Catholics), and they learn Urdu via on line classes of an evening.

There are good and bad in all communities, and the silent majority cannot be blamed for the insidious deeds of the small minority of extremists.

That said, the Islamic State has to be stopped, quickly and permanently.

Peter
PJK

GaryKelly · Guru

The problem with tolerance is that if others have a right to be respected for their differences, then bigots have that right too. Hehe. It's all so confusing. However, I think the issue with the bloke in the video was not so much about his being a bigot but being a bully. And we all hate bullies, right? I certainly do. And if I see someone being bullied I have no hesitation in coming to their rescue. I don't think tolerance is something that comes naturally to some people, so they need to be educated. PJK's Pakistani son in law is a good example of that. Once we get to know people, and realize they're just like the rest of us, then our suspicions and superstitions evaporate. That's not to say all people are okay, of course. But the vast majority are... or so I'd like to believe.

-- Edited by GaryKelly on Friday 10th of October 2014 08:09:48 AM

Vic41 · Guru

PJK wrote:
Snip......You all do realise that the video was a set up, don't you???

Snip.....That said, the Islamic State has to be stopped, quickly and permanently.

My only concern is the media doing that video has given material that can be cut and selected for IS or similar groups to use in propaganda (a new video). I believe it was a silly thing for the media to do in the first place.

Regards IS, imagine the further havoc and terror it could do if it took to the air with captured fighter or bomber planes etc. The quicker the world eradicates them or destroys their capabilities the better for everyone whatever their backgrounds and beliefs.

Bryan · Guru

Vic41 wrote:
PJK wrote:
Snip......You all do realise that the video was a set up, don't you???

Snip.....That said, the Islamic State has to be stopped, quickly and permanently.

My only concern is the media doing that video has given material that can be cut and selected for IS or similar groups to use in propaganda (a new video). I believe it was a silly thing for the media to do in the first place.
Regards IS, imagine the further havoc and terror it could do if it took to the air with captured fighter or bomber planes etc. The quicker the world eradicates them or destroys their capabilities the better for everyone whatever their backgrounds and beliefs.

Ditto Vic

aussie_paul · Guru

Vic41 wrote:
PJK wrote:
Snip......You all do realise that the video was a set up, don't you???

Snip.....That said, the Islamic State has to be stopped, quickly and permanently.

My only concern is the media doing that video has given material that can be cut and selected for IS or similar groups to use in propaganda (a new video). I believe it was a silly thing for the media to do in the first place.
Regards IS, imagine the further havoc and terror it could do if it took to the air with captured fighter or bomber planes etc. The quicker the world eradicates them or destroys their capabilities the better for everyone whatever their backgrounds and beliefs.

Too true Vic.

Aussie Paul. smile

rockylizard · Guru

Gday...

A bit off topic.

If you subject yourself to the trauma of watching the TV news take notice to the crowd scenes in any of the middle east countries that are "in strife".

Similarly, take notice of any crowd scenes in Indonesia. Also take notice of any female 'representative' of any Muslim 'organisation' interviewed - very rarely do this high-ranking women of the Muslim faith wearing burqa/hijab ... even a head scarf often.

I play a game - spot the burqa or hijab. I very rarely see one being worn.

So, if the Muslim women in those countries are not wearing these garments ... why are they so 'popular' in Straya? confuse confuse

Cheers - John

Vic41 · Guru

rockylizard wrote:

I play a game - spot the burqa or hijab. I very rarely see one being worn.

Then you should go to Hungry Jacks.....the burqua's are better at Hungry Jacks, sorry I couldn't resist that

Actually a young muslim girl works at our local Hungry Jacks who wears a hijab and she is a delight, very friendly and nice, especially to us old farts! smile

rockylizard · Guru

Gday...

confuse cry Sorry Vic - I guess I have been confusing again (It seems to be my predominant, and frustrating, trait cry )

When I say - I play a game - spot the burqa or hijab. I very rarely see one being worn.

I mean that is when watching the TV news crowd scenes in the Muslim countries - not within Straya. cry

Which prompted my closing comment before - So, if the Muslim women in those countries are not wearing these garments ... why are they so 'popular' in Straya?

Cheers - John

GaryKelly · Guru

I agree, Vic. IS should be eliminated, and the sooner the better. But back to my tolerance comment, IS is a bully, and all bullies no matter what their religion, culture or politics, lose any right to tolerance.

Vic41 · Guru

My apologies too John, I understood what you meant, I was being flippant, some Muslim countries burqa's aren't worn in general, eg; Malaysia, Indonesia etc, but in other Muslim countries they are the norm, so a lot depends on the country. In some they appear to be a mixture of both.

My own thoughts is that in Australia they should not be worn for security reasons, particularly banks etc (those with crash helmets have to remove them).

Just go give you a scenario, a burqa wearer has a driving licence but is not required to show her face when driving, so any family member or friend could drive her car unlicenced without a policeman being able to ask her to remove it at a roadside licence check etc. I think the burka has to be removed (the face part) for a driving licence photo, but can the police the face be revealed at a police licence roadcheck?

The driver is not going to show up on a speed camera photo either so how can they prove who is driving, other than a licence check of the owner of the car which only proves who owns it? Are they going to interview every driver they can't identify in the photo etc?

I understand their culture in some demands they wear them, however how is that compatible with Australian culture and law requirements etc, it is a very perplexing subject and I really don't know the answer to it.

Gary, agree about tolerance, but IS are not just bullies, they are cold blooded and ruthless killers as well.

-- Edited by Vic41 on Friday 10th of October 2014 02:42:30 PM

Cloak · Guru

I plan to get very old and expire somewhere very remote away from all these do gooders who are falling over themselves to sell us short.

D and D · Guru

If you're going to comment on this sort of stuff the least you can do is know a little of which you talk - the differences between the various forms of dress commonly worn by Muslim woman are explained here (contains photos) www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2010/04/30/glance-burqa-niqab-and-hijab . In regards to the security issue, NSW has had legislation dealing with this in place for 3 years. The drafting involved extensive consultation with the community and it is regarded as being extremely successful without requiring a ban - www.smh.com.au/nsw/nsw-parliament-will-not-ban-the-burqa-says-premier-mike-baird-20141002-10p4gb.html.

But, the video is not about security matters, is is not about the burqa, it is not about IS it is about people being abused because of their appearance and I thought it was great that the abuser was challenged by the ordinary people on the streets who refused to support his bigotted rants.