distance from other campers

Dunmowin · Guru

RE: distance from other campers

Dunmowin · Guru

We went to a freedom camp, think it was Johanna Beach, on Great Ocean Road in Victoria. Freezing cold, extremely windy, so we parked alongside one of the wind breaks there, about a car's width away from the trees. There were no other campers in site. Went for walk along the beach. When we arrived back, there was a small dome tent between our van and the trees. They said "you are going, aren't you" No, we had only just arrived. They said, presume you will be quiet - but they did not count on our diesel heater AND our water pump, and sullage hose, being right beside their bed, did they!

justcruisin01 · Guru

KFT wrote:
We have found that those types of vehicles seem to like camping not too far from the toilets.

Which is why we choose to be as far from the toilets as possible.

We are also inclined to pick a camp/rest spot that has no toilet facilities as most others will not stop there usually only the self contained like we are.

makes for a much quieter experience

frank

On a recent stop over at the area just north of Gin Gin, a whizz bang with two french blokes pulled in & parked right beside the ladies amenties & I mean only 1/2 mtr from the wall with the tail gate opened right beside the ladies doorway.

I gave it some time to see what they were up to, yep they were setteled for the night. It got the better of me so I asked why park so close? , we need water for shower.

There was a tap at the rear of the block to which they connected a very short hose for a external shower, there was no need for them to be parked that close for stated reason. My next question to them was , do you think that ladies would feel comfortable using the toots with two blokes parked right in the doorway? A , we need water.

I suggested they have some manners & move their car away from the doorway as this is not the done thing here. They did move ; one foot forward & thats where they stayed for the night. Next morning one of them was on an excersize mat spread out right accross the ladies doorway, what a bloody joke.

They wonder why we take a dislike to them. ( I could have easly be serving time right now) AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

Ignorance at its best.

Delta18 · Guru

Wirroff wrote:
Why is the term 'whizz-bang' quoted in such disdain?? We are a very respectful, middle aged couple from a good background and I have just retired from a position as a GM of a major Queensland company. We own a 'whizz-bang' that cost $125,000 and we are more than happy to be proud of our little 'whizz-bang'. I would have never thought such snobbery existed from Grey Nomads but, then again, I have seen multiple examples of this snobbery in our three months of travels so far. Disappointing to say the least......

Not many nomads treat anything with "disdain" that I have seen.

Once you have been out of the boardroom & into the real world for awhile you will see that Aussies in general & Nomads in particular call a spade a spade. A camper with sliding door is a wizz-bang, the only snobbery I ever see on the road is from the recently retired, cashed up, best of everything white socks & blue rinse & make-up at 10am types. They drive around with nose in the air & only wave to others if they are in their $125,000+ campers.

We talk to anybody who will stand/sit still at a campsite except the above mentioned types as when they pull up they tend to step through the seats to the camper, turn on the a/c & we don't see them til they drive out in the morning.

Hopefully you will get to enjoy the road life.

Cheers Neil

Bunkerbob · Senior Member

Saw this on my daughters FaceBook page. Tried to copy the exact post but didn't have the ability so I have typed out what was written. Some people really get their knickers in a knot when they find something offensive. If you do find something offensive, scroll away, turn away, go away, just because you are offended does not mean you are right. Possibly you are mistaken, misinformed or wrong. A slim chance you may have been right but it would be your opinion. Don't like it, cement is about $6.00 a bag at Bunnings. Harden up.

THAT IS OFFENSIVE

To be offended by what someone else says is your own choice, as you don't have to care about what other people think, and nothing has actually happened to you, information merely passed from their mind to yours.

To state that you are offended means that you wish the person hadn't said it and won't say anything similar again. In other words, you actually want to stop certain information from being communicated. You must believe that you have some sort of right to dictate not only what people can and can't communicate, but what they can and can't think.

To be offended is to take the first step in being a totalitarian megalomaniac.

Delta18 · Guru

Bunkerbob wrote:
Saw this on my daughters FaceBook page. Tried to copy the exact post but didn't have the ability so I have typed out what was written. Some people really get their knickers in a knot when they find something offensive. If you do find something offensive, scroll away, turn away, go away, just because you are offended does not mean you are right. Possibly you are mistaken, misinformed or wrong. A slim chance you may have been right but it would be your opinion. Don't like it, cement is about $6.00 a bag at Bunnings. Harden up.

THAT IS OFFENSIVE

To be offended by what someone else says is your own choice, as you don't have to care about what other people think, and nothing has actually happened to you, information merely passed from their mind to yours.

To state that you are offended means that you wish the person hadn't said it and won't say anything similar again. In other words, you actually want to stop certain information from being communicated. You must believe that you have some sort of right to dictate not only what people can and can't communicate, but what they can and can't think.

To be offended is to take the first step in being a totalitarian megalomaniac.

<LIKE>

Wirroff · Senior Member

"Once you have been out of the boardroom & into the real world for awhile"

That's just plain rude mate. As an ex-nurse and someone who has travelled to every continent on Earth as well as living in three of them, I think I'm in the 'real world' and have been for most of my life. I was brought up in Northern England with 7 siblings and my parents brought me up on £5 a week. Everything I've ever achieved has been through personal struggle and ultimately achievement. Yes, I have just come from being a GM of a company but this was due to my years of experience and hands-on approach to everything...

Hopefully, I won't come across many people like yourself on the road.....

beiffe · Guru

It all comes down to preparation.

When camped on your own and wish to stay so there, are several things to help people decide to park further away.

1 When the lovely people park under your awning, walk out with a pronounced limp, mumbling under your breath for them to hear and then proceed to place an axe along side your chair.

2 ALWAYS carry some orange cordial and when you wish to get rid of that well to do that must stay close and usually if given a chance will tell you how much money they have etc is to place a bit of cordial in a bottle, preferably bottle with larger neck HAHAHA and then water down to the correct colour (I will leave that to your imagination) and then walk out and then broadcast in a general area towards their rig and then explain that you now feel better after a releaving of the bladder and now for a good session of heavy drinking. Of course you invite them to join as it might be better for them to be with you enjoying the night instead of sitting inside their rig listening to the noise but not having fun ???

3 A good strong sound of Music also helps to get a good surround look. I like a good measure of brass band marching music etc.

You could also suggest they leave a bit more room as you are waiting for a large group of your mates to have a reunion from your bikie days or similar.

The main thing is to enjoy your time on the road and normally most people are very good. Never park close to the facilities and always park so YOU have the right away to exit your spot.

Stop laughing Bileeeeeee.

Regards
Brian

jules47 · The Happy Helper

Wiroff - Paul and Val - perhaps you should read this from Bunkerbob's post:

"THAT IS OFFENSIVE

To be offended by what someone else says is your own choice, as you don't have to care about what other people think, and nothing has actually happened to you, information merely passed from their mind to yours.

To state that you are offended means that you wish the person hadn't said it and won't say anything similar again. In other words, you actually want to stop certain information from being communicated. You must believe that you have some sort of right to dictate not only what people can and can't communicate, but what they can and can't think.

To be offended is to take the first step in being a totalitarian megalomaniac."

And remember we all come from different backgrounds - but when travelling, especially in the remoter areas of Australia, we are all the same, reliant on getting water, food, gas, fuel - so no matter who you "were" or where you came from, or how you were reared - you are no different from the next camper. I will say this though, once you have camped in a high backpacker area, i.e. Queensland coast from Townsville up - you too will know what a whizz bang is!!!!

-- Edited by jules47 on Friday 24th of January 2014 07:42:22 AM

native pepper · Senior Member

Wirroff wrote:
"Once you have been out of the boardroom & into the real world for awhile"

That's just plain rude mate. As an ex-nurse and someone who has travelled to every continent on Earth as well as living in three of them, I think I'm in the 'real world' and have been for most of my life. I was brought up in Northern England with 7 siblings and my parents brought me up on £5 a week. Everything I've ever achieved has been through personal struggle and ultimately achievement. Yes, I have just come from being a GM of a company but this was due to my years of experience and hands-on approach to everything...
Hopefully, I won't come across many people like yourself on the road.....

Sorry to disappoint you, but agree with delta, over the last few years what he describes is becoming very common. Once the holier than thou attitude was non existent, other than during major holiday times and those are the times we get off the road. Generators, diesel heaters, arrogance, fires, and rubbish are now the norm in many touro trail camps. It appears many urban people who are getting on the road don't seem to have any idea, just bring their lifestyles and attitudes into the bush and we are seeing the results, closed down camps, forcing travellers out of towns and into van parks. Many seem to have this obsession with being close to people, just like the sardine life they live in cities. Like many travellers, we are the opposite and stay well away from the touro trails. But sometimes have to venture into these area's and camp, that's when you see what delta is talking about. It doesn't seem to matter what type of rig they have, but it's mainly those who think they are above others in urban life and carry it with them wherever they go. It has nothing to do with what you are or were, but attitude and approach.

People who don't fit that category, don't get offended or take it to heart, just smile at the reality they see around them and steer clear of the deluded.

Enjoy your travels.

KFT · Guru

native pepper wrote:
Sorry to disappoint you, but agree with delta, over the last few years what he describes is becoming very common. Once the holier than thou attitude was non existent, other than during major holiday times and those are the times we get off the road. Generators, diesel heaters, arrogance, fires, and rubbish are now the norm in many touro trail camps. It appears many urban people who are getting on the road don't seem to have any idea, just bring their lifestyles and attitudes into the bush and we are seeing the results, closed down camps, forcing travellers out of towns and into van parks. Many seem to have this obsession with being close to people, just like the sardine life they live in cities. Like many travellers, we are the opposite and stay well away from the touro trails. But sometimes have to venture into these area's and camp, that's when you see what delta is talking about. It doesn't seem to matter what type of rig they have, but it's mainly those who think they are above others in urban life and carry it with them wherever they go. It has nothing to do with what you are or were, but attitude and approach.
People who don't fit that category, don't get offended or take it to heart, just smile at the reality they see around them and steer clear of the deluded.
Enjoy your travels.

I would like to second that

well said

rockylizard · Guru

KFT wrote:
native pepper wrote:

Sorry to disappoint you, but agree with delta, over the last few years what he describes is becoming very common. Once the holier than thou attitude was non existent, other than during major holiday times and those are the times we get off the road. Generators, diesel heaters, arrogance, fires, and rubbish are now the norm in many touro trail camps. It appears many urban people who are getting on the road don't seem to have any idea, just bring their lifestyles and attitudes into the bush and we are seeing the results, closed down camps, forcing travellers out of towns and into van parks. Many seem to have this obsession with being close to people, just like the sardine life they live in cities. Like many travellers, we are the opposite and stay well away from the touro trails. But sometimes have to venture into these area's and camp, that's when you see what delta is talking about. It doesn't seem to matter what type of rig they have, but it's mainly those who think they are above others in urban life and carry it with them wherever they go. It has nothing to do with what you are or were, but attitude and approach.
People who don't fit that category, don't get offended or take it to heart, just smile at the reality they see around them and steer clear of the deluded.
Enjoy your travels.
I would like to second that
well said

Gday...

Another second to that here too

Cheers - John

gregnshas · Senior Member

Me three well said

Gerty Dancer · Guru

Me four... but I don't include Wirroff with "the great unwashed!"

native pepper · Senior Member

Thank you, my post was a bit tongue in cheek, wasn't sure how it would be received. Have had conversations with others on the road who also expressed the same feelings over the last few years and it's a very sad development which is heading to a negative outcome as more as more take to the road.

Twenty years ago, we spent lots of time round the coastal area's travelling and working. Back then you'd be lucky to see another camper in 90% of places, now we only ever go near the coast for work in winter in the south. Haven't been to Queensland for many years, to many people and associated problems. Where we travel, still lucky to see another traveller a day, unless we cross a major road, or go to a big town.

Kooroorinya Kelpie · Senior Member

I never have a problem with people camping to close I just lengthen the 2 dogs leads to get a result.

Vic41 · Guru

I remember once being in a CP, and was getting ready to leave. Coming back from the loos I saw that a tent on the site next to me (overseas travellers) had tied their tent ropes not just to my caravan towbar and rear bumper bar, but also to my vehicle towball.

I was very tempted to just take off, but sanity prevailed and I told them unless they wanted their tent ripped down they had better remove their ropes as I was leaving. Never seen people move so fast in my life, biggrin

the rocket · Guru

justcruisin01 wrote:
KFT wrote:
We have found that those types of vehicles seem to like camping not too far from the toilets.

Which is why we choose to be as far from the toilets as possible.

We are also inclined to pick a camp/rest spot that has no toilet facilities as most others will not stop there usually only the self contained like we are.

makes for a much quieter experience

frank
On a recent stop over at the area just north of Gin Gin, a whizz bang with two french blokes pulled in & parked right beside the ladies amenties & I mean only 1/2 mtr from the wall with the tail gate opened right beside the ladies doorway.
I gave it some time to see what they were up to, yep they were setteled for the night. It got the better of me so I asked why park so close? , we need water for shower.
There was a tap at the rear of the block to which they connected a very short hose for a external shower, there was no need for them to be parked that close for stated reason. My next question to them was , do you think that ladies would feel comfortable using the toots with two blokes parked right in the doorway? A , we need water.
I suggested they have some manners & move their car away from the doorway as this is not the done thing here. They did move ; one foot forward & thats where they stayed for the night. Next morning one of them was on an excersize mat spread out right accross the ladies doorway, what a bloody joke.
They wonder why we take a dislike to them. ( I could have easly be serving time right now) AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

Hi, thanks everyone for the replies. I can't get my head around what some people do. and by the sound of all the replies it is common. the person who parked next to my bedroom window spent 3 hrs. on the phone. no sooner had he hung up and he redialled another and another and another. walked around his car the whole time. I was gobsmacked. I am on a learning curve I expect but people on here have given me some great ideas for the future.

-- Edited by the rocket on Saturday 25th of January 2014 02:39:58 AM

the rocket · Guru

beiffe wrote:
It all comes down to preparation.

When camped on your own and wish to stay so there, are several things to help people decide to park further away.

1 When the lovely people park under your awning, walk out with a pronounced limp, mumbling under your breath for them to hear and then proceed to place an axe along side your chair.

2 ALWAYS carry some orange cordial and when you wish to get rid of that well to do that must stay close and usually if given a chance will tell you how much money they have etc is to place a bit of cordial in a bottle, preferably bottle with larger neck HAHAHA and then water down to the correct colour (I will leave that to your imagination) and then walk out and then broadcast in a general area towards their rig and then explain that you now feel better after a releaving of the bladder and now for a good session of heavy drinking. Of course you invite them to join as it might be better for them to be with you enjoying the night instead of sitting inside their rig listening to the noise but not having fun ???

3 A good strong sound of Music also helps to get a good surround look. I like a good measure of brass band marching music etc.

You could also suggest they leave a bit more room as you are waiting for a large group of your mates to have a reunion from your bikie days or similar.

The main thing is to enjoy your time on the road and normally most people are very good. Never park close to the facilities and always park so YOU have the right away to exit your spot.

Stop laughing Bileeeeeee.

Regards
Brian

Hi Beiffe, always like your opinion and this is no exception. I'm going out to get a cd of a brass band and bagpipes. that's brilliant.

the rocket · Guru

Kooroorinya Kelpie wrote:
I never have a problem with people camping to close I just lengthen the 2 dogs leads to get a result.

that's fantastic.

Legendts · Senior Member

Am I missing the point here?

Isn't everyone entitled to an opinion without being jumped on? I don't get it, but just lately there seems to be a few posts where someone makes a comment, then someone else doesn't like the "tone" of it and fires a volley with others then adding to it.

What's happened to being courteous to each other even if you don't agree with it because your newest best friend might be the next stranger you meet.

03_troopy · Guru

Wirroff wrote:
Why is the term 'whizz-bang' quoted in such disdain?? We are a very respectful, middle aged couple from a good background and I have just retired from a position as a GM of a major Queensland company. We own a 'whizz-bang' that cost $125,000 and we are more than happy to be proud of our little 'whizz-bang'. I would have never thought such snobbery existed from Grey Nomads but, then again, I have seen multiple examples of this snobbery in our three months of travels so far. Disappointing to say the least......

125G? it should go shhhhtbup.. not whizzBANG!!!!

Kooroorinya Kelpie · Senior Member

Hey 03Troopy you can park up near me anytime as I class snobbery in with political correctness. Any snobs out there are welcome to my happy hour as I have the power to turn snobs into slobs. Yip Yip.

Delta18 · Guru

Kooroorinya Kelpie wrote:
Hey 03Troopy you can park up near me anytime as I class snobbery in with political correctness. Any snobs out there are welcome to my happy hour as I have the power to turn snobs into slobs. Yip Yip.

Ha ha, ditto.

Technomad · Senior Member

Hi all, we have found a very large proportion of over seas travellers very friendly, generally the young pulling together to finance a trip of a lifetime. The term backpacker is a bit loose and sometimes a derogatory term. A simple approach generally cures the problem, a problem of age difference with a different time clock, just like our sons and daughters. I agree fear, as it applies to us also is a factor, wind break and shade also. In parks as managers we have enjoyed there company once an approach was made or we have made aware an issue. Have not free camped much yet but with our experience would be more concerned with other possibilities that will annoy. Maybe some of us are a bit dainty at times.

Graham.

the rocket · Guru

Hi Everyone,

That was a fantastic response. That good, I am going to go back and read them all again.

have a great day everyone.

KFT · Guru

Ivan Milat has a lot to answer for!

We have found that most of them park close for the security of being near someone. The sparseness of our outback frightens them a bit.

frank

JRH · Guru

KFT wrote:
Ivan Milat has a lot to answer for!

We have found that most of them park close for the security of being near someone. The sparseness of our outback frightens them a bit.

frank

Safety in numbers so they say.