NSW Police

2foot6 · Senior Member

NSW Police

Baz421 · Guru

VKPORTABLE wrote:
Yeah I can't see any issues with them. Toll ways have cameras, who knows how long they are stored for anyones guess.
Only people who would be overly concerned with this would be those with something to hide.

Agree Stewart nothin to hide here,,,, another reason they do this in SA is they saturate fire prone areas ON TOTAL FIRE BAN DAYS with police cars where firebugs are active and build a "picture" of who was in the area - VERY USEFUL TOOL IMHO, likewise for major crimes, match data and catch 'em hopefully.

-- Edited by Baz421 on Monday 9th of September 2013 01:17:48 PM

copper1 · Guru

MMMM well I retired from the NSW Police Last year as a Highway Patrol Officer, and could go into this in some depth but I won't. These ANPR systems (Automated Number Plate Recognition) has been around for a long time. prior to the Mounted units that are now fitted you would have seen highway patrol police sitting on the side of the road with a tripod set up with two or three chase cars, similar to the old slant radar from years ago. These cameras have proved there worth, I remember getting a bloke who had not registered his vehicle for ten years, What would happen if he hit you or your family no green slip no insurance and you are stuck with the bill or worse. Then you try to get the $$ out of them in a civil court good luck with that !!! The new technology that is out there is the way forward, the cameras main focus is on you plate not your face anyway if you do something wrong and are stopped you are on video from the in car camera from the time the light bar in the Highway car is activated, Your movements and conversations are recorded great for court, especially when the crook says well your Worship it did not do that or I did not say this I'm an angel biggrin biggrin biggrin "Stop lets Roll the Tape shall we" oops cry .

Anyway I will not get to wound up about this topic as I am very, very passionate about road safety and getting those who should not be on the road off,, after having to attend the carnage that speed, drugs , alcohol and fatigue cause, and making that knock on some poor souls door to let them know that there son, daughter, mother, father will not be coming home, is gut retching. Any tool in the good policeman's or Highway Patrolman's toolbox that help's in reducing what happens either on the street or in your neighbour hood, that helps to keep YOU and the Police SAFE on a daily basis, is a good thing.

If you worry about what's stored on data bases what about toll tags, what about your drivers licence, club memberships, the ATM/Banks shopping centres there are photos and video equipment and images everywhere and why, because some people are out there to do wrong, and we, have to pay the consequence of the minor few who disrespect our laws.

PS a little picture of me back in the day

-- Edited by copper1 on Monday 9th of September 2013 01:42:31 PM

PeterInSa · Guru

Like the NSW police, I will be doing my bit of photography when I receive my Front and Back Dashcams from OS

And the SA Government is doing it share, putting more of those overhead cameras, and of course not for revenue purposes. I do not have a problem if they catch un registered vehicles as long as after the 3rd time caught they crush the car, otherwise they keeping driving the car unlicensed and un registered..

Peter

-- Edited by PeterInSa on Monday 9th of September 2013 03:49:04 PM

aussietraveller · Guru

I have just read an article the confirms that NSW Police are photographing every car they pass, Police cars are fitted with three cameras that are capable of taking 1000 photos per minute these photos are then stored on a data base that the police are building.

They claim it will assist in preventing crime and also help to identify unregistered vehicles, if you believe this will make any significant impact on crime or unregistered cars on the road I think you are dreaming because even if people driving unregistered cars are caught the courts will tell them they were naughty don't do it again and if I really believed the spiel I would believe that the drive by shootings would stop because crim's licence plates and photo would be on data base.

I am concerned about the majority of the public's privacy especially my own as these photo's will not only show number plate and make of car but a very clear shot of the driver and front seat passenger, I call that an invasion of my privacy and I am a law abiding citizen who is not at all happy

brickies · Guru

They have been using the same set up in Queensland for sometime with some great results in picking up badies , I now don't pick my nose when driving

rockylizard · Guru

Gday...

I think the full story is on Four Corners on ABC1 at 8.30pm tonight.

The "privacy issues" are apparently addressed on the show as well as "advising" us, the unsuspecting public, of this new "crime fighting initiative"

I guess if ya got a licence, the vehicle is registered and ya not doin' nuffin norty - and continue to be like that - how can it harm you hmm

Cheers - John

Shogun · Senior Member

It's a public place when they take the picture and you,would be surprised who,else is out there taking pics. we are photographed and captured on CCTV all the time these days so if you're not doing anything wrong, why worry. I certainly couldn't care less.

Companies track your every move on what you buy, when you buy it, if you have Facebook or any social media, internet, they also know what your doing. It's the new age of technology, so,either we crawl under a rock and hide from the world or just go about our daily lives and not worry about it. Life is to short to worry who,is looking at me :)

jules47 · The Happy Helper

Good one Shogun - if you ain't doing nuttin wrong - why worry!!!! Just hope the picture does you justice!!!! biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin

KFT · Guru

Have to agree with Shogun, if you are not a shady character who is "known" to the police why would they be looking for you?

I have nothing to hide and I don't spend much time online and certainly don't do much buying online so who cares

frank

jetj · Guru

Modern technology and a sign of the times I guess. What concerns me if I mention something in an email, an add appears advertising one. I find that invasive.

VKPORTABLE · Senior Member

Yeah I can't see any issues with them. Toll ways have cameras, who knows how long they are stored for anyones guess.
Only people who would be overly concerned with this would be those with something to hide.

brickies · Guru

THis technology has been effective in picking up stolen cars it will do more good than harm if you are a goodie

Roving-Dutchy · Guru

jetj wrote:
Modern technology and a sign of the times I guess. What concerns me if I mention something in an email, an add appears advertising one. I find that invasive.

That's easily fixed, don't use Hotmail or Gmail.

Cheers

David

Baz421 · Guru

copper1 wrote:
MMMM well I retired from the NSW Police Last year as a Highway Patrol Officer, and could go into this in some depth but I won't. These ANPR systems (Automated Number Plate Recognition) has been around for a long time. prior to the Mounted units that are now fitted you would have seen highway patrol police sitting on the side of the road with a tripod set up with two or three chase cars, similar to the old slant radar from years ago. These cameras have proved there worth, I remember getting a bloke who had not registered his vehicle for ten years, What would happen if he hit you or your family no green slip no insurance and you are stuck with the bill or worse. Then you try to get the $$ out of them in a civil court good luck with that !!! The new technology that is out there is the way forward, the cameras main focus is on you plate not your face anyway if you do something wrong and are stopped you are on video from the in car camera from the time the light bar in the Highway car is activated, Your movements and conversations are recorded great for court, especially when the crook says well your Worship it did not do that or I did not say this I'm an angel "Stop lets Roll the Tape shall we" oops.
Anyway I will not get to wound up about this topic as I am very, very passionate about road safety and getting those who should not be on the road off,, after having to attend the carnage that speed, drugs , alcohol and fatigue cause, and making that knock on some poor souls door to let them know that there son, daughter, mother, father will not be coming home, is gut retching. Any tool in the good policeman's or Highway Patrolman's toolbox that help's in reducing what happens either on the street or in your neighbour hood, that helps to keep YOU and the Police SAFE on a daily basis, is a good thing.
If you worry about what's stored on data bases what about toll tags, what about your drivers licence, club memberships, the ATM/Banks shopping centres there are photos and video equipment and images everywhere and why, because some people are out there to do wrong, and we, have to pay the consequence of the minor few who disrespect our laws.

PS a little picture of me back in the day

-- Edited by copper1 on Monday 9th of September 2013 01:42:31 PM

aGREE 100% - I see another hat "bashed" into submission,,,lol.

copper1 · Guru

Yep Baz, that old leather cap takes pride of place in the china cabinet now!!

Turtle Trekers · Veteran Member

Good afternoon Aussie Traveller

Many years ago I worked in a retirement village which owned a couple of small buses that would take the residents on outings. Somewhere along the line the rego for one of those buses had not been renewed. It was only through one of those static cameras that the (then) RTA was checking all truck/bus number plates and the necessary reminder was sent out regarding the unregistered vehicle. The consequences could have been earth shattering if that vehicle had been in an accident even more so if it had been full of oldies. We don't have a worry about the police taking pics of our number plates and as others have mentioned cameras are everywhere these days. If you really want to be a little frightened watch the show "Person of Interest" on GEM (Nine Network) Tomorrow night (Tuesday). The storyline is a bit silly at times but the concept is scary!

Louise and Alan

Hylda&Jon · Guru

Roving-Dutchy wrote:
jetj wrote:
Modern technology and a sign of the times I guess. What concerns me if I mention something in an email, an add appears advertising one. I find that invasive.
That's easily fixed, don't use Hotmail or Gmail.
Cheers
David

Hotmail & Google are as insecure as any other email service on the market nowdays. If you know of a secure one tell me & I may be tempted.

GaryKelly · Guru

I'd appreciate a bit of notice before having my photo taken just to run a comb through the hair and check for boogies.

aussietraveller · Guru

There has been a lot of sensible comment on this issue and I don't disagree but my concern is that we have accepted considerable loss of our personal privacy without a whimper I only really have concern with long term storage of personal data and maybe they are telling the truth about the reason for collecting it, guess i will just have to wear a hoodie or pull my hat over my eyes when I finally break my lifetime habit of obeying the law.

The other part of my initial post related to the penalty applied to people who drive unlicensed and unregistered as it stands it is pathetic and I totally agree with Peter in sa caught more than once unlicensed or unregistered car confiscated and sold to raise funds for charity or the vehicle crushed.

Gerty Dancer · Guru

Goodonya Copper1! Very well said.... we agree.

chopit · Senior Member

I spent a number of years working in police communications as a civilian.
The first thing that shocked me was the huge number of unregistered vehicles
and the equally huge number of unlicenced or suspended drivers on the road.
Often both on the one hit.
These were picked up by patrol cars doing random checks of cars around them.
Cameras are here to stay & have proved their worth in so many ways.
Just smile & wave, smile & wave.

Nelly · Guru

Hey Gary your old hat is a bit crooked!! - not good for that photo shot. I agree with copper1 - if someone is doing the wrong thing - 'do the crime, do the time'. I think privacy comes into it when your home is being photographed perhaps - like with these drones that are around. I live on a farm and the fact that animal activists are considering sending these drones over peoples homes, farms etc. is the wrong thing. We have nothing to hide but to have a camera hovering overhead is not the right thing - agree or not?

copper1 · Guru

Regarding the penalty side of things !! well there is nothing that can be said that's not only been said before but voiced by everyone. Police do their job that is investigate crime, give an infringement or put the offender before the Court. These so called recidivist offenders don't give a continental what happens to them or more importantly to you!! The Court system well that's another story depending on the offenders representation, they just get the preverbal slap on the wrist (seen it time and time again) much to the angst of the police and more importantly the people whom perhaps the offender has wronged, we are not just talking about traffic matters, also other matters that have statutory sentences that never happen . There will never be a happy medium regarding law and order anywhere the best the police can do is keep doing there job to the best of there ability and the ANPR is another important tool in policing. Crushing cars well they get others, don't pay the rego, drive whilst suspended or disqualified get caught again and so the big wheel just goes around. The best we can all do is enjoy our lives and continue to explore Australia in our well earned cars/ caravans that we have worked hard for and paid for, as we on this forum are all good honest people.

Mark · Senior Member

Shogun wrote:
It's a public place when they take the picture and you,would be surprised who,else is out there taking pics. we are photographed and captured on CCTV all the time these days so if you're not doing anything wrong, why worry. I certainly couldn't care less.

Companies track your every move on what you buy, when you buy it, if you have Facebook or any social media, internet, they also know what your doing. It's the new age of technology, so,either we crawl under a rock and hide from the world or just go about our daily lives and not worry about it. Life is to short to worry who,is looking at me :)

Couldn't have worded it better Shogun, good post.

Mark · Senior Member

copper1 wrote:

Nice write up Copper1, thanks for the information and insight into how it all works.

Shogun · Senior Member

I agree with you Copper1, I too spent 17 years chasing crooks and car thieves and have had to tell parents, and relatives that their loved ones have died as a result of vehicle accidents. It was the worst part of job.

If people only realised that police can only apprehend the offenders and present the case to the court with all the available evidence. If some smarmy lawyer then gets then off it isn't the police's fault.

If judges and magistrates handed down tougher sentences when offenders are convicted maybe the public would have greater confidence in the legal system.

Sorry to get on my soap box, but like Copper1, I am very pro what the police need, they should get to catch offenders.

Brett

03_troopy · Guru

Nelly wrote:
Hey Gary your old hat is a bit crooked!! - not good for that photo shot. I agree with copper1 - if someone is doing the wrong thing - 'do the crime, do the time'. I think privacy comes into it when your home is being photographed perhaps - like with these drones that are around. I live on a farm and the fact that animal activists are considering sending these drones over peoples homes, farms etc. is the wrong thing. We have nothing to hide but to have a camera hovering overhead is not the right thing - agree or not?

Well if you thought it was some sort of spy bot from who knows where, you'd probably be justified in getting a little shotgun target practice wink

copper1 · Guru

Nelly wrote:
Hey Gary your old hat is a bit crooked!! - not good for that photo shot. I agree with copper1 - if someone is doing the wrong thing - 'do the crime, do the time'. I think privacy comes into it when your home is being photographed perhaps - like with these drones that are around. I live on a farm and the fact that animal activists are considering sending these drones over peoples homes, farms etc. is the wrong thing. We have nothing to hide but to have a camera hovering overhead is not the right thing - agree or not?

AAAWWWW Nelly don't get me started on animal activists and tree hugging greenies bleh bleh bleh bleh bleh bleh bleh bleh I will blow my pooffer biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin regarding my hat, I was nick named Klink as it always sat on an angle on my head biggrin biggrin biggrin much to the amusement at times to my colleagues.

justcruisin01 · Guru

Like said , if you do nothing wrong then nothing to worry about. Every move we make is on a camera some where whether we know about it or not.

Q, who runs a dash camera? you are recording every vehicle that is on the road infront of you, every pedestrian that crosses in front, people on the sidewalk. If one of those do something wrong to you I bet you are going to use that footage against them, isn't that what you got the camers for? Where's the difference?

JC.